GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 941
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:19:20 AM | message detail |
Fallout 2 is pretty much going to be
Baldur's Gate 2. Same company, same genre, same time period, same
system, same fanbase. And time isn't going to be kind to them either. --- DFF |
ZFS | Posted 11/8/2010 10:20:38 AM | message detail |
Uh, Baldur's Gate 2 was made by BioWare, not by Black Isle Studios. Baldur's Gate 2 was also significantly more successful than Fallout 2. Skies should win, but it'll be a fairly close match. --- A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step. |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/8/2010 10:21:21 AM | message detail |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2247 DQ8 got a lot of publicity when it came out. Remember the FFXII demo everyone bought it for? Then realized the FFXII demo sucked, and that they were actually going to have to play the game it came with? And then it was great? First off, i'd like to point out that Dragon Quest 8 lost to GOD OF WAR. Would you take GoW to beat Chrono Cross? I sure as hell wouldn't. Secondly, I know that sales means crap-all in these contests, but... http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/570/dragon-quest-viii-journey-of-the-cursed-king/ Despite DQ8 being one of the most popular games in the franchise in North America, it still hasn't broken 700k sales in 4 1/2 years. The US just doesn't CARE about Dragon Quest. Of course, in this website, you have a higher concentration of people who have actually played it, but you're pitting it up against the well-received sequel to Chrono Trigger. This match was no-contest the moment it was written up. Pretty sure people favoring the first option of a poll when they don't care about either entrant has been scientifically proven. See, I don't understand this. Because I don't know about you guys, but on my computer the poll lists the games side-by-side, so there is no "top" option. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:21:57 AM | message detail |
God of War would stomp Chrono Cross. So would Shadow of the Colossus. Chrono Cross is not going to be strong. --- DFF |
The Mana Sword | Posted 11/8/2010 10:22:16 AM | message detail |
Would you take GoW to beat Chrono Cross? I sure as hell wouldn't. Yikes. I'm probably the biggest Chrono Cross nut in the stats topic, and I wouldn't go anywhere near this. --- This is the kind of **** that allowed the Bhopal incident to happen. 5,000 dead Indians. Want that on your damn conscience, Square apologists? |
ZFS | Posted 11/8/2010 10:22:44 AM | message detail |
Would you take GoW to beat Chrono Cross? Why yes I would! --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/8/2010 10:22:57 AM | message detail |
KP obviously has no idea what he's talking about Fallout 2 was Black Isle Studios, a company that has since gone bankrupt and disbanded since their games didn't sell enough (and had to sell off their franchises, including Fallout) Baldurs Gate 2 sold 2 million, Fallout 2 sold 100k. So yeah, not same popularity whatsoever. Fallout 2 was pretty niche even among PC rpgs. Baldurs Gate was the cream of the crop, and its still viewed as the gem of Biowares works. I do find it funny KP knows so little about Baldurs Gate when he loves Dragon Age, though. Since Dragon Age is the spiritual successor to Baldurs Gate. --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:23:33 AM | message detail |
From: ZFS | #102 Eh. They may have been made by different companies, but I always see them mentioned in the same breath when people talk about old good 2-d WRPGs. If you've played one you've probably played the other. Not sure where you're getting the 'significantly' more successful thing. --- DFF |
The Mana Sword | Posted 11/8/2010 10:23:49 AM | message detail |
Spoilers:
Black Isle Studios actually aided the in the development of BG2, even
though BioWare is technically given credit for it. --- This is the kind of **** that allowed the Bhopal incident to happen. 5,000 dead Indians. Want that on your damn conscience, Square apologists? |
WhiteLens | Posted 11/8/2010 10:25:07 AM | message detail |
From: swordz9 | #081 Whoa, what are YOU doing here in the stats topic? Aww man, I'm losing to SBAllen again in bracket points. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=207 |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:25:51 AM | message detail |
I'm
just not sure why we're expecting DQ8 to be so weak. If it's because of
the other DQ games that have been in polls, that's not the way to look
at things. Those games sold a fraction of what DQ8 sold. --- DFF |
ZFS | Posted 11/8/2010 10:26:48 AM | message detail |
BG2
actually sold to a wide audience, which is something Fallout 2 never
did. BG2 ended up selling in the neighborhood of 2 million copies,
Fallout 2 never got post 300k. Not that sales are particularly
important here, as we just saw a small RPG beat a multi-million selling
game, but between BG2 and Fallout 2, I wouldn't really expect similar
strengths or levels of popularity. Again, Skies should win, but it
won't be "easily." --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/8/2010 10:28:02 AM | message detail |
rawr --- http://8board.webs.com/xena.jpg |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/8/2010 10:28:20 AM | message detail |
Its
kind of like saying that since Tales sucks here, that Final Fantasy
should also suck. Comparing two series in the same genre with
incredibly different amount of success is just asking for trouble --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:28:47 AM | message detail |
The
problem with that is that, on GameFAQs, I don't think the PC gaming
crowd is big enough for that to matter. If you're enough of a
'hardcore' PC gamer on GameFAQs to play 10-year old 2-D WRPGs, why
wouldn't you play all of them? BG2 is probably a little stronger, but I
just see them as probably having very similar strength. --- DFF |
creativename | Posted 11/8/2010 10:28:49 AM | message detail |
GoW beats Chrono Cross in all likelihood, yeah. Pretty sure people favoring the first option of a poll when they don't care about either entrant has been scientifically proven. Not sure who said this but it certainly sounds like internet rumor BS. I do think I heard vague rumors about something like this, but recall it being the bottom option that was more popular because it was closer to the "submit" button. Pretty worthless research either way since it depends on the poll setup and all sorts of stuff. It's meaningless and not to be taken seriously. From: KamikazePotato | #508 No no no no no no no. Fallout 2 was not played by too many people. BG2 was a big hit. I think BG2 will be horribly weak but this logic is just so amazingly wrong. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/8/2010 10:29:25 AM | message detail |
Yikes. I'm probably the biggest Chrono Cross nut in the stats topic, and I wouldn't go anywhere near this. Even if GoW beat CC in a straight 1v1 battle, it wouldn't be that far apart. We'd be looking at least at a 45/55 match. GoW, honestly, isn't as strong as you give it credit for. |
695924 | Posted 11/8/2010 10:29:31 AM | message detail |
Lol at the more knowledgeable people in this topic spreading misinformation. Most of these debated picks are obvious. --- lol opinions |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/8/2010 10:30:27 AM | message detail |
The
problem with that is that, on GameFAQs, I don't think the PC gaming
crowd is big enough for that to matter. If you're enough of a
'hardcore' PC gamer on GameFAQs to play 10-year old 2-D WRPGs, why
wouldn't you play all of them? BG2 is probably a little stronger, but I
just see them as probably having very similar strength. Because Baldurs Gate 2 had at least 10 times the sales? Going by that logic, why shouldn't all jrpg fans play all niche jrpgs? Fun fact: They don't. So don't lump all PC rpgs fans together, unless you're willing to do the same with all jrpg fans. --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:32:34 AM | message detail |
I just look at that GotY poll and alarm bells go off in my head and remind me of this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1870 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2247 I don't think DQ8 is going to be close to ToS, as ToS gets a lot of its strength from being the main RPG on the Gamecube. But I think DQ8 is really being sold short here - it had a good GotY showing, it sold pretty well, it's loved by its fanbase, it's more well-regarded in the Square fanbase than CC is. --- DFF |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/8/2010 10:32:42 AM | message detail |
Skies should win, but it'll be a fairly close match. I would like to know why people believe Skies' win is a given in that match. |
creativename | Posted 11/8/2010 10:33:03 AM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #555 Probably because people aren't playing them *now*, they played them *then*! And way more people played BG2. Really, this logic is just incredible. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/8/2010 10:33:45 AM | message detail |
From: Greyfeld | #121 IT'S THE TOP OPTION --- ·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· "Oh that the world were more like Ulti." -MWC |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:34:07 AM | message detail |
That would matter on a site where the hardcore PC gaming fanbase was bigger than my pinky toe. --- DFF |
ZFS | Posted 11/8/2010 10:34:42 AM | message detail |
The
problem with that is that, on GameFAQs, I don't think the PC gaming
crowd is big enough for that to matter. If you're enough of a
'hardcore' PC gamer on GameFAQs to play 10-year old 2-D WRPGs, why
wouldn't you play all of them? BG2 is probably a little stronger, but I
just see them as probably having very similar strength. I don't think that applies. It's not about playing old 2D WRPGs today; it's about playing them back then. People may try to go back to a game like Fallout 2, especially now that Fallout 3 is so popular, but Baldur's Gate 2 was actually popular and well-liked when it released. You didn't really have to be some hardcore WRPG fan to know about it, but "hardcore WRPG fan" does apply to Fallout 2. As far as comparisons go, Albion -- amazingly -- isn't too far off in saying it's the equivalent of Final Fantasy to Tales. It's easy to lump them together because they're both PC WRPGs, but even among those, there's very clear differences. --- A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/8/2010 10:35:01 AM | message detail |
That would matter on a site where the hardcore PC gaming fanbase was bigger than my pinky toe. Deus Ex beat Rock Band, and Civ 4 almost beat Persona 3 (which I'd take over Skies at this point). Theres enough people here for a win if the competition is weak enough. --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
Billy Blaze | Posted 11/8/2010 10:35:37 AM | message detail |
I
love 2d WRPGs/PC games, but I never heard of the Fallout series until
FO3. BG2 would have crushed FO2 in any poll, without a doubt in my
mind. You have to remember BG2 had the tie to Forgotten Realms and
AD&D, and FO2 was a relatively unknown game from a now bankrupt
company. Nowadays though, you might be right. Both are old games, with few fans on this site and little chance to make any real impact. --- Redtooth |
ZFS | Posted 11/8/2010 10:36:08 AM | message detail |
I would like to know why people believe Skies' win is a given in that match. BG2 was a lot more widespread than Skies, but at the end of the day, people here are probably more familiar with Skies -- it was on the DreamCast and the GameCube, and was liked enough by the people who played it. Console release should save Skies from a loss. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:37:38 AM | message detail |
And I just don't think that matters.
Civ IV just lost to Persona 3 and, what, sold 10 times more than it?
The PC gaming fanbase on GameFAQs just isn't big enough for selling a
lot more to matter. Remember that Fallout got into the last Games
Contest and Fallout 2 got into the first Games Contest while Baldur's
Gate II did not. --- DFF |
creativename | Posted 11/8/2010 10:37:59 AM | message detail |
BTW, for fun I search the list of polls for 'option' and found these. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3680 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2996 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=801 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=461 Combined % for 'top option' among all polls: 3.93% Combined % for 'bottom option' among all polls: 4.1% "bottom option" is winnar! --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:39:57 AM | message detail |
And
creative, I'm curious as to why you think DQ8 will be so weak,
considering we have a decent amount of evidence to the contrary. --- DFF |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/8/2010 10:40:00 AM | message detail |
Remember
that Fallout got into the last Games Contest and Fallout 2 got into the
first Games Contest while Baldur's Gate II did not. I think we can pretty much all agree Fallout got into the last game contest as a result of Fallout 3, since even among the hardcore Fallout fanbase, Fallout 2 >>>>>>> Falout 1. I'm sure quite a few people just nominated Fallout only knowing about Fallout 3. And are we really using the excuse of nominations = character strength now? It got a 10 seed, which was more than many other significant games, so I don't see where you're trying to go here. Even if you use "lol it didn't get nominated" as a reason why its weak, then this is the wrong match to do it in. --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/8/2010 10:40:22 AM | message detail |
BG2
was a lot more widespread than Skies, but at the end of the day, people
here are probably more familiar with Skies -- it was on the DreamCast
and the GameCube, and was liked enough by the people who played it.
Console release should save Skies from a loss. Well, how much strength do you think it's gained since 2004? Because if those polls KP linked earlier were any indication of modern strength, I'd take BG2 in a heartbeat. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/8/2010 10:41:19 AM | message detail |
Skies
of Arcadia should have a similiar drop to Shenmue since the last
contest, where it got 25% on FFX. I see no reason for Skies to hold up,
especially with how Vyse has gotten weaker and weaker as time gone on,
and even struggled to beat Jack Frost in the last poll he was in. --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 11/8/2010 10:42:27 AM | message detail |
I
don't think Skies has gained any strength, it's probably gotten weaker.
The real difference, though, is that it's up against a PC game instead
of a Zelda game. It's not a foregone conclusion that Skies wins, but
it's certainly not going into that match at a disadvantage in any way. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
The Mana Sword | Posted 11/8/2010 10:42:27 AM | message detail |
And
creative, I'm curious as to why you think DQ8 will be so weak,
considering we have a decent amount of evidence to the contrary. How exactly does 1 poll = decent amount of evidence. --- This is the kind of **** that allowed the Bhopal incident to happen. 5,000 dead Indians. Want that on your damn conscience, Square apologists? |
creativename | Posted 11/8/2010 10:42:54 AM | message detail |
What
evidence? A GOTY from 5 years ago? The Dragon Quest series is simply
not strong on this site. Chrono Cross was much bigger here. I think
you're forgetting how strong the Chrono series is at this site. CC will
have a fraction of Chrono Trigger's strength, but that should be plenty
to beat DQ8. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/8/2010 10:43:24 AM | message detail |
How exactly does 1 poll = decent amount of evidence. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=294 Chrono Cross obv wins the entire contest --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:44:30 AM | message detail |
I
think being well-liked, having a decent number of user ratings, having
a good GotY showing, and selling well is decent enough evidence. It's
better than 'CC will be strong because I say so!' when we've seen it
tank all its most recent showings. --- DFF |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/8/2010 10:45:05 AM | message detail |
So, if we're comparing these two polls: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1627 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1624 Assuming that SoA has fallen off moderately, and BG2 is stronger than Fallout 2... why wouldn't BG2 be the favorite to win? (It's also a night match.... I don't know if that matters at all.) |
The Mana Sword | Posted 11/8/2010 10:47:18 AM | message detail |
I
think being well-liked, having a decent number of user ratings, having
a good GotY showing, and selling well is decent enough evidence. Uh. Chrono Cross is generally well liked (though to be fair it does have more detractors than DQ8, I will admit this), has a decent number of user ratings, had a good GotD showing, and sold well. --- This is the kind of **** that allowed the Bhopal incident to happen. 5,000 dead Indians. Want that on your damn conscience, Square apologists? |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/8/2010 10:48:53 AM | message detail |
I
still think its weird so many people are doubting Baldurs Gate after
we've seen Bioware do very well so far this contest though. Dragon Age
absolutely mauled F-Zero gx, and KOTOR did a tiny bit better than
expected against DMC. Better than anything Sega related, at least. --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
Neosadus | Posted 11/8/2010 10:48:54 AM | message detail |
*cough* VI > T > IV > IX > VII > X > I > XI > VIII > III > XII > V > XIII > II > (lol -->) XIV (<-- lol) *cough* *hides* --- ------ --------- |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:49:41 AM | message detail |
I'm not so sure about the generally well-liked thing. But yeah, CC is similar in those. That's why I'm confused as to why people are considering this an open-and-shut case. Why isn't this being debated more? --- DFF |
creativename | Posted 11/8/2010 10:53:13 AM | message detail |
BTW,
KP, do you still have that data for user ratings? I'd like to
copy&paste that into a text file and store it on my site so it's
preserved, in case anyone wants to reference it. From: NoDicePwn | #702 Those games aren't really comparable to BG2. BG2 is much older, and KOTOR was way more talked about on this site. Plus those are console games. KOTOR definitely derives most of its strength from being on the Xbox. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
MoogleKupo141 | Posted 11/8/2010 10:53:24 AM | message detail |
I
still think its weird so many people are doubting Baldurs Gate after
we've seen Bioware do very well so far this contest though. Dragon Age
absolutely mauled F-Zero gx, and KOTOR did a tiny bit better than
expected against DMC. Better than anything Sega related, at least. And those are console games which gives them a major advantage over Baldur's Gate 2. This is Persona 3/Civ IV take 2. Skies of Arcadia will win in a closish match. --- For your health. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/8/2010 10:53:40 AM | message detail |
I
still think its weird so many people are doubting Baldurs Gate after
we've seen Bioware do very well so far this contest though. Dragon Age
absolutely mauled F-Zero gx, and KOTOR did a tiny bit better than
expected against DMC. Better than anything Sega related, at least. To be fair, BG2 is a PC-only game, while the others are all multiplat. If BG2 had been on any console as well, I don't think people would debate the match at all. Though I'm still waiting on a response to my last post at the end of the last page. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:54:54 AM | message detail |
I still have it. Give me a minute. Anyway, I just think DQ8 has the edge there. It could easily go either way, but they're similar enough that I think the Square fanbase will side with DQ8. Chrono Chross is just too divisive. --- DFF |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/8/2010 10:55:14 AM | message detail |
Dragon
Age is mainly a PC game, though. The console version was just a watered
down port made easier and had features taken away, like the isometric
view. --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/8/2010 10:55:31 AM | message detail |
http://rapidshare.com/files/429646813/Ratings.docx --- DFF |
