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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 939
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 8:05:08 PM | message detail |
I thought that, then looked at the ratings for Civ V, which came out five weeks ago. It has 85 so far. --- DFF |
ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/6/2010 8:06:42 PM | message detail |
I
may still bank, but I figure that one might not even be close and then
I can keep the streak up a bit longer til the Dead Rising match. --- http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/yungflyerz/67106910.jpg |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/6/2010 8:06:58 PM | message detail |
Yeah, I'm starting to get the feeling that this might be a doubling for Persona 3. Like another no Mercy almost --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 8:08:12 PM | message detail |
I also went back and looked at this result: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3450 Civ IV is going to be stronger than the original, but goddamn. More than quadrupled by Sonic the Hedgehog. --- DFF |
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/6/2010 8:10:06 PM | message detail |
Persona 3 is also conveniently the top option. --- "Let me believe what you've always believed! That living is wonderful!" "Thank you so much... Thank you for loving me." |
ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/6/2010 8:13:09 PM | message detail |
I
just have to figure out whether having the guts to take P3 is going to
be worth it and I'm not going to get burned by something two matches
later or some such ridiculousness. --- http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/yungflyerz/67106910.jpg |
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/6/2010 8:14:30 PM | message detail |
how confident are you in TWEWY vs Dead Rising? That's only 4 matches after P3 vs Civ4. --- "Let me believe what you've always believed! That living is wonderful!" "Thank you so much... Thank you for loving me." |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 8:15:05 PM | message detail |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3474 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3450 Persona 4 got 22.13% against Brawl. Civilization 1 got 22.71% against Street Fighter II. Why in the world did we all pick Civ IV, again? --- DFF |
ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/6/2010 8:16:46 PM | message detail |
From: Team Rocket Elite | #257 Not at all confident. If I'm picking something, it's Dead Rising. --- http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/yungflyerz/67106910.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/6/2010 8:18:28 PM | message detail |
I
picked Civ IV because Civilization put up 10% on the Legend of Zelda
once and it's not a cult JRPG. If the stats are so lopsided for Persona
4, it'll probably win. I'll not be risking points on the match in the
battle challenge either way. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/6/2010 8:21:08 PM | message detail |
If
you're still aiming for first place and not just for a good Battle
Challenge score, you're going to need a 34+ streak at some point. You
can be certain of that. There's never going to be a good time to do
that so now may be as good a time as any to go for a super long streak.
After DR vs TWEWY, there's a fairly long strong of matches that aren't
too difficult as well. --- "Let me believe what you've always believed! That living is wonderful!" "Thank you so much... Thank you for loving me." |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/6/2010 8:23:56 PM | message detail |
If
I have to gamble, I'll feel better about gambling on later-round
matches between games I know about and have stats for, rather than
games in the first round that I haven't played and have never been in a
contest before. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2010 8:25:32 PM | message detail |
Persona 4 got 22.13% against Brawl. Civilization 1 got 22.71% against Street Fighter II. Why in the world did we all pick Civ IV, again? 1. Persona 3 is weaker than Persona 4. 2. Civilization 4 is stronger than Civilization 1. 3. It's a night match, which benefits Civ, being a PC game. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 8:27:21 PM | message detail |
1. Debatable. Persona 3 sold more and had two rereleases. 2. I don't think you get how much stronger than Civ 1 it would need to be. 3. Night match benefits Persona more, probably. The Persona day vote is atrocious. --- DFF |
ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/6/2010 8:28:48 PM | message detail |
From: Team Rocket Elite | #261 You're right. Come on P3 and Dead Rising! --- http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/yungflyerz/67106910.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 11/6/2010 8:29:10 PM | message detail |
Why in the world did we all pick Civ IV, again? Really? Really? Civilization 1 and Civilization IV are lightyears apart in popularity. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
ZFS | Posted 11/6/2010 8:30:16 PM | message detail |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/37/Civ01.png why did this game get destroyed in 2010 who knows --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/6/2010 8:31:14 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #262 You know the people with 30k+ points right now will be doing the same, right? Except they'll have a chunky 30k-vote advantage over you, having already gotten ~30 matches right in a row once. You're going to need at least 40 matches in a row to stay competitive, which would mean getting all of Round 2 right or the rest of the matches after Round 2 right. Seriously, you guys are forgetting just how many easy matches there are of the 64 matches in Round 1. Round 2 also has a bunch of easy matches, but there's only 32 there. Once you get to Round 3 or so, you get to the SFF-fests and other crazy matches that can **** people over. --- Wylvane Weakupedia is a horrible user. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 8:32:37 PM | message detail |
Civ
IV has to get at least 70% on the original if it wants to win.
Considering how often the first game in the series does well due
to...being the first one, I seriously doubt that. --- DFF |
Big Bob | Posted 11/6/2010 8:32:54 PM | message detail |
I'm backing Persona, but there's no way Civ IV is on Civ 1's level. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/Mach+Tornado.png |
ZFS | Posted 11/6/2010 8:34:02 PM | message detail |
I
think it's clear you have no idea about Civilization if you have a hard
time believing that Civilization IV would decimate Civilization into
the ground. There is absolutely no room for debate there. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/6/2010 8:34:21 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #269 Civ 4 would triple the original at least. Nobody gives a **** about the original Civilization. People got introduced with 2 or 3, and 4 is pretty much the huge favorite of the series. Not saying Civ 4 is a favorite to win its match or anything, but trying to get data for it by using Civ 1 is a really stupid idea, as they're two totally different beasts. --- Wylvane PrivateBiscuit1 is a horrible user. |
Big Bob | Posted 11/6/2010 8:34:54 PM | message detail |
And if you'll recall, people were actually impressed it beat Castlevania. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/Mach+Tornado.png |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/6/2010 8:35:20 PM | message detail |
Civ
4 would destroy Civ 1. Civ 1 is probably the 2nd least liked game in
that series. Civ 2 is probably the most popular, followed by 4. The
main problem with Civ 1 is that on Gamefaqs, any early 90s PC game is
going to be utterly destroyed. Newer PC games generally do a lot
better. I'd easily give Civ 4 a tripling on Civ 1... and Persona 3
SHOULD be weaker than Persona 4. It only sold more copies because of
the directors cut, which I'm sure was mainly people who bought the
original anyway. --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 8:37:00 PM | message detail |
Yeah,
no. We've seen the inferior original being strong due to brand name too
many times for me to take Civ IV to indirectly get that much on Civ I. --- DFF |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/6/2010 8:37:11 PM | message detail |
You
know the people with 30k+ points right now will be doing the same,
right? Except they'll have a chunky 30k-vote advantage over you, having
already gotten ~30 matches right in a row once. You're going to need at
least 40 matches in a row to stay competitive, which would mean getting
all of Round 2 right or the rest of the matches after Round 2 right. I know that, but I'm not strictly playing to win. I'd much rather end up on the leaderboard, especially in the prizes, than with 0 points. Also, streaks of 30 matches are so rare that it's unlikely the people who have already gotten one will get another one this contest. Some people will, surely, but it will probably be people who don't already have long streaks (just because there are so many more such people). If I cash in 10,000 points now, that's an edge I'll have over other people with 30+ streaks, once I've gotten my 30+ streak. Seriously, you guys are forgetting just how many easy matches there are of the 64 matches in Round 1. Round 2 also has a bunch of easy matches, but there's only 32 there. Once you get to Round 3 or so, you get to the SFF-fests and other crazy matches that can **** people over. This probably won't help winning, but I'd much rather lose on a match where I can actually make an argument than on a match where my writeup, if I wrote one, would be "I don't know what's going to happen, and don't care about either of these games. Toss-up." --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2010 8:37:15 PM | message detail |
1. Debatable. Persona 3 sold more and had two rereleases. 2. I don't think you get how much stronger than Civ 1 it would need to be. 3. Night match benefits Persona more, probably. The Persona day vote is atrocious. 1. If you look at the polls, they show that P4 has massively more strength than P3. I'm not going to go into "why" I think that's the case, because that'll spawn a discussion that I don't feel like having right now. But past polls definitely point toward P4 being stronger. 2. RTS games are different creatures from other genres. Usually fans of a series will latch onto the "best" iteration in the franchise, which drastically lowers the power of other games in the series. Warcraft 3 is the perfect example of this. 3. Night match only dramatically increases votes from Asia, which is the smallest percentage of votes at any time of the day. Civ shows a moderate increase in votes from Europe, which is ultimately the more important region. 4. Also "lol 4-ways." You can't really make direct comparisons of percentages from 4-way matches and apply them directly to 1v1 matches. |
ZFS | Posted 11/6/2010 8:37:17 PM | message detail |
Civ
1 is the least liked game in the series by a fairly wide margin. Civ 4
is the most popular, with some hardcore people preferring 2 but by a
large 4 wins that group, too. Just not much of a contest there. Civ 4
can still lose in its match to Persona, but let's not get any
ideas based on Civilization 1. That's like saying MGS1 is screwed
because Metal Gear 1 NES sucks. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
ZFS | Posted 11/6/2010 8:37:50 PM | message detail |
Yeah,
no. We've seen the inferior original being strong due to brand name too
many times for me to take Civ IV to indirectly get that much on Civ I. Yep, you are out of the loop on this. Not even gonna argue here. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/6/2010 8:39:58 PM | message detail |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1624 Just because two games are in the same series, doesn't mean there can't be a massive strength difference between them. --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 8:40:23 PM | message detail |
I've
played Civ IV, man. You're out of your gourd if you think Civ IV
atomized Civ I indirectly when the Civ fanbase on GameFAQs is already
really really small. Civ I probably got a decent amount of franchise
votes in that match. --- DFF |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/6/2010 8:41:20 PM | message detail |
Looking at some other series, OOT atomizes Zelda 1 and MGS atomizes Metal Gear. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/6/2010 8:42:01 PM | message detail |
And of course FFVII atomizes Final Fantasy, how could I forget. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
ZFS | Posted 11/6/2010 8:42:22 PM | message detail |
It
doesn't matter if you've played the game, it's clear you don't
understand the differences between the two games and their popularity.
Again, this is absolutely no different than saying MGS1 has no chance
against a decent Mario game because SMB3 rocked Metal Gear 1. I
wouldn't vote for Civilization in that match, or almost any match, and
I love the series more than anyone here. That game is not good. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/6/2010 8:42:25 PM | message detail |
Persona 4 (2009g) has a strength of 15.70 against Base Link. Civilization (2009g) has a strength of 8.73 against Base Link. Persona 4 72.20% 85,461 Civilization 27.80% 32,910 TOTAL VOTES 118,372 Persona 4 wins with 72.20% of the vote! A 52,551 vote margin of victory. That's an awful lot of ground for Civ4 to make up. --- Currently Playing: StarCraft, Zelda: Ocarina of Time |
tgs2 | Posted 11/6/2010 8:43:22 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #281 Link totally wouldn't atomize Ganon if they met, never. --- You may take Mr. Rogers down, but I will be back and become more powerful than you ever imagine "tgs is taking it alone" |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/6/2010 8:44:27 PM | message detail |
Persona 4 (2009g) has a strength of 15.70 against Base Link. Civilization (2009g) has a strength of 8.73 against Base Link. Persona 4 72.20% 85,461 Civilization 27.80% 32,910 TOTAL VOTES 118,372 Persona 4 wins with 72.20% of the vote! A 52,551 vote margin of victory. That's an awful lot of ground for Civ4 to make up. Actually, this makes me feel better about Civ4. Civ 4 would triple Civ 1 like I said, and Persona 4 >> Persona 3. Going by that, it should win with 55%! --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 8:44:57 PM | message detail |
You're
not everyone. There are plenty of first-games that are far stronger
than they should be, even though they're worse than their sequels. I
can easily see Civ fans voting for it there just because it's somewhat
representative of the series and started it all, even if it isn't
nearly as good. We've already seen that before. --- DFF |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/6/2010 8:46:13 PM | message detail |
You're
not everyone. There are plenty of first-games that are far stronger
than they should be, even though they're worse than their sequels. I
can easily see Civ fans voting for it there just because it's somewhat
representative of the series and started it all, even if it isn't
nearly as good. We've already seen that before. I'm also a big Civ fan who started with Civ 2, and going back to Civ 1, it was total junk and I would never vote for it. --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 11/6/2010 8:46:50 PM | message detail |
There are plenty of first-games that are far stronger than they should be This is not one of them. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2010 8:48:17 PM | message detail |
Yeah Civ IV should win it over the original. Maybe not triple it like some people are saying, but it should clearly win without SFF. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 29/34 Today's Matches: GS & GTA: SA |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 8:48:46 PM | message detail |
I'm
not saying it has to be a world-beater. I'm saying it has enough
strength not to be wrecked by Civ IV when the Civ fanbase on GameFAQs
is very small and would probably universally support the series' games
to an extent. Cult fanbases tend to do that. --- DFF |
ZFS | Posted 11/6/2010 8:50:52 PM | message detail |
That is all the more reason for people to vote for Civilization IV. It's by far
the most played game of the series, and it has far more appeal to
people who aren't big fans of the genre, than something like Civ 1.
There's no good argument for Civ 1 to not get destroyed by Civ 4, truly
nothing. There's not one good positive you can stick in its corner,
other than "sometimes a game like Mario 1 is really strong! Maybe Civ 1
would do well against Civ 4, too!" --- A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 8:52:20 PM | message detail |
I think your problem is that you're viewing this as direct instead of indirect. Put Civ IV in that match I just linked. Do you think it doesn't get doubled by Sonic the Hedgehog? --- DFF |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2010 8:52:20 PM | message detail |
I assume you've never played the series then. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 29/34 Today's Matches: GS & GTA: SA |
TheCodeisBosco | Posted 11/6/2010 8:53:03 PM | message detail |
In the end, San Andreas failed to double Dead Space of all games. Talk about a weird, downright bad performance. Eight minutes until KotOR domination! :D --- CURRENT GOTY SCORE: 30 LOL SAN ANDREAS |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2010 8:53:48 PM | message detail |
I'm not sure sonic wouldn't double P3, so your question is irrelevant, KP. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 8:55:07 PM | message detail |
I'm just curious. Because his constant claims that Civ IV would triple Civ I, or worse, would put it over Street Fighter II. --- DFF |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/6/2010 8:55:10 PM | message detail |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2985 we're talking about a game that couldn't even break 20% on God of War 2. Civ 4 could even be Civ 1s strength (Even though it won't) and still win --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
Justin_Crossing | Posted 11/6/2010 8:55:15 PM | message detail |
From: TheCodeisBosco | #296 what if dead space just straight up wasn't as weak as you expect you seriously are trying to call an unknown weak --- ~Acting on Impulse~ |
