GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 939
charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2010 8:58:35 AM | message detail |
R&C has also establish that it is a weak series. I also find it very hard to swallow that GS would be stronger than RSE. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 29/34 Today's Matches: GS & GTA: SA |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2010 9:01:38 AM | message detail |
I also find it very hard to swallow that GS would be stronger than RSE. Not to mention that Pokemon has proven to be the one exception to the "lol handhelds" rule in these contests. |
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/6/2010 9:04:30 AM | message detail |
Link's Awakening Handheld games can have a lot of strength. They just need to be the right type of game. --- "Let me believe what you've always believed! That living is wonderful!" "Thank you so much... Thank you for loving me." |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 9:06:44 AM | message detail |
The votals for today are pretty bad. No Mercy/PoR is beating them at the moment. --- DFF |
Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/6/2010 9:14:02 AM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #151 Not really, it was a lot better received, has much of the same fanbase, and I'd take it over Fusion, which thanks to its match with D/P/P, I'd take over R/S/E. Also how weak R&C is has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make. People will have played one other R&C game and not UYA but still vote for it on series recognition. Not much, but it's more than Dead Space which has almost none of that whatsoever. --- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2010 9:15:22 AM | message detail |
Link's Awakening Handheld games can have a lot of strength. They just need to be the right type of game. The combination of Zelda + nostalgia makes that game an exception as well. Pokemon has the same effect if you'll notice. The older games are all stronger than the newer ones. I can't think of any newer handheld games that are exceptions. |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/6/2010 9:15:52 AM | message detail |
GS
vs. SA looks interesting for next round. The day match should help GS,
though I'll acknowledge that it's still the underdog. Also, I don't
think Charizard got a bandwagon last contest- his performances on
Bowser and Mario were actually completely in line with what he was
projected to get based on his match with L-Block. People just
underestimated L-Block because they underestimated Isaac! --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/6/2010 9:17:59 AM | message detail |
GS's
natural trends favour a night match (based off what we saw earlier),
but Dark Dawn's release is definitely enough to override that. --- I predict and analyse the Game of the Decade contest here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/56817040 |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/6/2010 9:19:05 AM | message detail |
Basically next rounds match comes down to this to me Does Golden Sun beat a mainline Pokemon title? I don't buy it does, so San Andreas wins --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
Advokaiser | Posted 11/6/2010 9:24:43 AM | message detail |
Basically next rounds match comes down to this to me Does Golden Sun beat a mainline Pokemon title? I don't buy it does, so San Andreas wins THIS 100% --- "I remember a time when someone called World of Warcraft 'World of WoW'" |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/6/2010 9:33:49 AM | message detail |
The votals for today are pretty bad. No Mercy/PoR is beating them at the moment. I was about to bring that one up. Here are how other weekend matches have fared with votals at the end of the first hour: Halo/Ninja Gaiden - 7093 Mother 3/DMC3 - 7159 No Mercy/Fire Emblem - 6584 SSBB/MKDS - 7541 And now today's match only has 6049 after the first hour. No Mercy/Fire Emblem went on to have 45759 votes. Assuming the ratio of first hour votals to final votals for the No Mercy/Fire Emblem is exactly the same for today's match, then we are looking at 42041 votes. Not an exact estimate though. (45759 / 6584) * 6049 was the calculation used in my estimate. This match will definitely set a new record low for votals in a day match. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as Dr_Football, Guru Champ! |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/6/2010 9:37:57 AM | message detail |
GS/SA
would look like a toss-up under normal circumstances, but the game
launch really changes things. Having a launch ON match day is extremely
rare, and I think it's been huge every time (Mario/Cloud,
Charizard/Bowser). |
AppreciateTrees | Posted 11/6/2010 9:43:05 AM | message detail |
Basically next rounds match comes down to this to me Does Golden Sun beat a mainline Pokemon title? I don't buy it does, so San Andreas wins That is a different matchup all together..A majority of Pokemon fans will probably vote GS over SA, most likely. The already solid fanbase, being both a JRPG and a Nintendo game on G-FAQs, and the release and hype of Dark Dawn will carry it to victory over SA. --- "Of course I'm going to rig the contest in my favor." - SBAllen |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 9:46:46 AM | message detail |
I don't see any reason why Golden Sun shouldn't beat RSE with room to spare. I don't see RSE getting 68+% on UYA. --- DFF |
Advokaiser | Posted 11/6/2010 9:50:40 AM | message detail |
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TheCodeisBosco | Posted 11/6/2010 10:35:38 AM | message detail |
This
performance from San Andreas is... pretty awful, honestly. I highly
doubt Dead Space would be able to beat R&C, personally; if Golden
Sun wasn't the favorite already, it definitely should be now. In all seriousness, I wonder if Dead Space is getting psuedo-joke support, a la Mother 3? That boxart is hilariously bad, after all. --- CURRENT GOTY SCORE: 30 LOL SAN ANDREAS |
AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/6/2010 10:36:59 AM | message detail |
From: NoDicePwn | #159 Basically what Squall vs. Captain Falcon comes down to this. Does Squall get 30% on Cloud? I know he doesn't, so Captain Falcon wins. (yes, crappy analogy, but the best I could do on short notice) You could theorize that that San Andreas equals GTAIV, which is roughly equal in strength to RSE, and you can't see Golden Sun being as powerful as a mainstream pokemon game. I think I'd probably agree with that if we ignored launch day. But it really isn't fair to base your analysis on a hypothetical match between two different levels of the Nintendo totem pole. --- Gamefaqs' #1 Testicle Bettor: Proud owner of many testes http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6553/alec.png |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/6/2010 10:44:13 AM | message detail |
From: UltimaterializerX | #140 Top 100 List: #11: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - PS2 #27: Grand Theft Auto III - PS2 #35: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - PS2 GTA:SA's also the highest-seeded GTA-game this contest, the only GotY-winner of the series, and won the only GTA-series poll we've had...though it was run shortly after its release: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1831 I'd be interested in another GTA-poll nowadays, though I'm definitely taking GTA:SA to win it. It's not like they've ever shown great variation in strength here anyway, so whatever...but I do think GTA:SA's the strongest of them, however little that means. --- Epona: pulling off the "horse-face" better than Sarah Jessica Parker since 1998. http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2010 10:45:00 AM | message detail |
Of course, you're missing the fact that SA is, in fact, moderately stronger than GTA4. |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2010 10:46:10 AM | message detail |
that last post was directed at Alec |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/6/2010 10:46:34 AM | message detail |
And
hey, some anecdotal evidence too: I had goofed around killing hookers
and stealing cars on GTA3 and GTA:VC, but GTA:SA was the first GTA-game
I ever played seriously for its missions and story. Afterward, I
couldn't even go back to the first two GTA-games; the combat-system's
off big-time and so much more is possible in GTA:SA. --- What has four hooves, three major LoZ-appearances, two eyes, and a song? EPONA for CB9! |
Advokaiser | Posted 11/6/2010 10:57:36 AM | message detail |
In
all seriousness, I wonder if Dead Space is getting psuedo-joke support,
a la Mother 3? That boxart is hilariously bad, after all. Fallout 3's pic was worse and it smashed inFamous. --- "I remember a time when someone called World of Warcraft 'World of WoW'" |
AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/6/2010 11:02:55 AM | message detail |
From: Greyfeld | #170 Yeah my bad, but that wasn't my point either way. Like I said, I wasn't arguing with the conclusions. I'm arguing with the "logic" of "I don't think Golden Sun would win a match with Pokemon". --- http://img.imgcake.com/alecoweenpngam.png http://img.imgcake.com/alecpngym.png |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/6/2010 11:06:37 AM | message detail |
Yeah
my bad, but that wasn't my point either way. Like I said, I wasn't
arguing with the conclusions. I'm arguing with the "logic" of "I don't
think Golden Sun would win a match with Pokemon". While you have a point (Nintendo and handheld SFF would be hell in a match like that), you have to realize that if Golden Sun were to lose to RSE, that means that Golden Sun is the weaker game, regardless of what percentage it loses by. The simple fact that it's the weaker game is telling when making the comparisons to extrapolate who will win in the GS/SA matchup. |
Advokaiser | Posted 11/6/2010 11:12:58 AM | message detail |
We just need a RSE/GS match, but I wonder if a R&C/Dead Space would work too. --- "I remember a time when someone called World of Warcraft 'World of WoW'" |
The Real Truth | Posted 11/6/2010 11:18:44 AM | message detail |
lol Why do people always feel the need to debate certain matches? Ratchet and Clank has always been absolutely terrible in these matches. San Andreas won't lose next match. Golden Sun should do decently though. It might hover around 40% in that match. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2010 11:20:59 AM | message detail |
I
think the vote totals may be due to the ad on the front page, after you
load it expands pushing the poll away so you can't see it. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 29/34 Today's Matches: GS & GTA: SA |
pjbasis | Posted 11/6/2010 11:21:27 AM | message detail |
I kinda feel like playing GTAIII again... |
TheCodeisBosco | Posted 11/6/2010 11:31:26 AM | message detail |
Fallout 3's pic was worse and it smashed inFamous. I actually like Fallout 3's picture! Maybe I'm just weird, though. >_> Why do people always feel the need to debate certain matches? Ratchet and Clank has always been absolutely terrible in these matches. San Andreas won't lose next match. Golden Sun should do decently though. It might hover around 40% in that match. You think Golden Sun's only getting around 40%? Man, that's about as likely as Jet Grind Radio > RE4! --- CURRENT GOTY SCORE: 30 LOL SAN ANDREAS |
The Real Truth | Posted 11/6/2010 11:32:35 AM | message detail |
Golden Sun is only getting around 40%. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC |
Articuno2001 | Posted 11/6/2010 11:35:10 AM | message detail |
From: The Real Truth | #180 40% + 20% you mean --- 2010 Game of the Decade Contest - 28/34 points - Today: Golden Sun / Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas http://backloggery.com/articuno2001/sig.gif |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2010 12:03:14 PM | message detail |
From: UltimaterializerX | #140 #11, in fact. And did Bacon pick UYA or are my eyes deceiving me? No Mercy and UYA? Here's a man after my own heart. --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2010 12:06:46 PM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #162 We keep saying this like we know for a fact it's true, but how in the world do we know how Mario/Cloud goes if it's not on Sunshine day? Not to mention, Cloud still wins if not for Planet Gamecube anyway. And I'm not convinced Charizard > Bowser was all HG/SS release day, but rather a Charizard bandwagon because very few people on the site thought he would get that far. But anyway, San Andreas is doing right about what it needed to do here to make me think this next match is a tossup. You can give the edge to Golden Sun because of match on release day factor, but I really question how big that is. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2010 12:11:57 PM | message detail |
Based
on Alucard and Tails (after adjusting SFF) Cloud/Mario would have been
a 58/42 match, but like you said Planet Gamecube (a large site I might
add) saved Mario plus Super Mario Sunshine was hugely hyped, GS3 has
nothing on SMS. The boost keeps getting smaller and smaller, you'd have to think SA/GS would already have to be a close match without the new game. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 29/34 Today's Matches: GS & GTA: SA |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2010 12:13:59 PM | message detail |
Last night's chart: Time | Golden Sun | R&C: UYA | Votes 0:05 | 68.78% | 31.22% | 913 1:00 | 68.76% | 31.24% | 6542 2:00 | 69.09% | 30.91% | 4119 3:00 | 69.70% | 30.30% | 2934 4:00 | 70.09% | 29.91% | 2277 5:00 | 70.72% | 29.28% | 1906 6:00 | 70.28% | 29.72% | 1770 7:00 | 69.56% | 30.44% | 1797 8:00 | 68.35% | 31.65% | 1981 9:00 | 66.88% | 33.12% | 2449 10:00 | 67.31% | 32.69% | 2964 11:00 | 65.06% | 34.94% | 3351 12:00 | 65.42% | 34.58% | 3349 So, after looking at this chart, remind me why we think GS/SA being a day match is such a big advantage for Golden Sun again? Because these look like night game trends to me. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2010 12:15:50 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #184 Wait, are we talking about comparing Alucard/Tails 2002 to Alucard/Tails 2003? Why would we expect Cloud/Mario to be a 58/42 match? That implies Cloud could've been a serious threat to Link in 2002, assuming Link SFF'd Mario a decent bit. I don't really think that's true, really. It looked like there was Link, then the rest of the Noble Nine in a relatively tight knit group. --- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX! http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2010 12:16:35 PM | message detail |
Because a new game can magically change trends and GTA is like Castlevania when it comes to the day. >_> --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 29/34 Today's Matches: GS & GTA: SA |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 12:18:01 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #187 Speaking of which, remember when FF13 released on the day of Jecht/Zelda? http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=3835&type=1&seconds=60&max=0 Look at that Jecht ASV! On a normal day: http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=3812&type=1&seconds=60&max=0 --- DFF |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/6/2010 12:18:11 PM | message detail |
GS
is probably fairly balanced, GTA is a night game, though I'll agree the
day/night thing probably doesn't matter very much there. Charizard should have been helped by HG/SS, but it wasn't huge- mostly Charizard had already displayed the strength he needed to beat Bowser against Duke and L-Block. Kratos was the only bad match he had that contest, while the other 4 put him in the same area. The Mario match surprised me, but that was because he didn't get blown away by SFF. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 12:19:26 PM | message detail |
Oh,and if GS=SA then Dead Space beats UYA with 53.58% based off of the current results. --- DFF |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/6/2010 12:20:39 PM | message detail |
Why
would we expect Cloud/Mario to be a 58/42 match? That implies Cloud
could've been a serious threat to Link in 2002, assuming Link SFF'd
Mario a decent bit. I don't really think that's true, really. It looked
like there was Link, then the rest of the Noble Nine in a relatively
tight knit group. Looking at Link/Sephiroth, Cloud probably gets around 46% on Link in 2002. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2010 12:21:05 PM | message detail |
Wait, are we talking about comparing Alucard/Tails 2002 to Alucard/Tails 2003? Yup and after adjusting Auron for Cloud/Auron SFF. I know there was a site shift, but that is the closest thing we have to any solid numbers. Why would we expect Cloud/Mario to be a 58/42 match? That implies Cloud could've been a serious threat to Link in 2002, assuming Link SFF'd Mario a decent bit. I don't really think that's true, really. It looked like there was Link, then the rest of the Noble Nine in a relatively tight knit group. Considering that Cloud is stronger than Sephiroth I don't find it hard to believe that he would get over 45% on Link. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 29/34 Today's Matches: GS & GTA: SA |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2010 12:21:23 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #188 Uhhh...Jecht/Ratchet was a night match, bro. And we just saw UYA do the same thing to GS! Having FFX trends isn't good news! --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 12:22:17 PM | message detail |
Uhhh...morning vote, bro. --- DFF |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/6/2010 12:23:21 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #192 Yeah, he's stronger than Sephiroth post-KH, but they looked almost equal in 2003 and a lot of people thought they were pretty close in 2002. Besides, 58/42 is a huge margin to expect from Cloud/Mario in 2002. That seems to reflect really poorly on Mario. Of course, Mario didn't look that great up to the day of the match, but still. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2010 12:23:23 PM | message detail |
Pretty sure Jecht had two night matches before going up against Zelda. It's not like we see that much of a trend change on day matches anyways. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 29/34 Today's Matches: GS & GTA: SA |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/6/2010 12:24:26 PM | message detail |
Uhhh...morning vote, bro. Morning vote on a night match and ASV on a day match are different in terms of percent changes. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 29/34 Today's Matches: GS & GTA: SA |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 12:25:31 PM | message detail |
And really, SA is pretty much the same. http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=2067&type=1&seconds=60&max=0 http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=3470&type=1&seconds=60&max=0 The difference is it doesn't have a release that day to help it. --- DFF |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/6/2010 12:26:18 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #197 Really? This is your excuse now? Despite the fact that the morning vote and ASV are strongly correlated, that Ratchet did better in NA than Europe in every poll he's been in? --- DFF |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/6/2010 12:26:41 PM | message detail |
Yeah,
he's stronger than Sephiroth post-KH, but they looked almost equal in
2003 and a lot of people thought they were pretty close in 2002. They didn't look equal in 2003- Cloud won with 52%. It took him 7 years after that to increase the gap from 52% to 54%. Don't buy that it was so different in 2002. Besides, 58/42 is a huge margin to expect from Cloud/Mario in 2002. That seems to reflect really poorly on Mario. Of course, Mario didn't look that great up to the day of the match, but still. Cloud was above 57% on Mario every year from 2003 until......2010, actually. So it wouldn't look strange for it to have been true in 2002 either, although I think it wasn't- Link probably got at least a little SFF on Mario, and I'm pretty set on Cloud being around the 45-46% area on Link. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
