GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 938
Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/4/2010 9:35:01 PM | message detail |
Should've had Kingdom Hearts vs Final Fantasy X instead! --- Wylvane Maniac64 is a horrible user. |
CP724 | Posted 11/4/2010 9:35:08 PM | message detail |
FFX
will not look impressive throughout the whole contest but it will still
make its way to the finals before losing to Brawl/Melee (and putting a
very respectable fight) much like cloud did last contest. its hard to look good when you are dealing with so much anti voting , damn rabid nintendo fanboys . Yeah. I think anything FF now just can't crush fodder but still performs well against mid/strong competition. Just look at Cloud, he went from 73% or whatever on Ridley (lol) to 66% on Ryu and 46% on Link. |
Blairville | Posted 11/4/2010 9:35:47 PM | message detail |
Wait, I get it, MvC3 hype is making Joe strong! ...I'll figure out how it didn't help in the vote-ins later >_> --- Sign up for the fastest 500 topic here! bit.ly/fastest500 |
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/4/2010 9:36:05 PM | message detail |
Assuming FFX does manage to hit 80%, what does VJ need to get on GH2 for FFX>Melee? 67.9% --- "Let me believe what you've always believed! That living is wonderful!" "Thank you so much... Thank you for loving me." |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/4/2010 9:36:45 PM | message detail |
Assuming FFX does manage to hit 80%, what does VJ need to get on GH2 for FFX>Melee? 67.9% And thats FFX/Melee in a night match, to boot. --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/4/2010 9:36:50 PM | message detail |
From: Team Rocket Elite | #104 XD are you serious? I mean it's possible, but god damn. GSC > FFX train, choo choo. TRE and nintendogirl to win prizes! --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· If it must be so, so be it. |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/4/2010 9:37:21 PM | message detail |
If we remove Ridley, Cloud's performances weren't that anti-voted, he's just weaker. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 27/32 Today's Matches: FFX & Borderlands |
vcharon | Posted 11/4/2010 9:37:43 PM | message detail |
And
that's why at the end of the day x-stats and the like aren't very
valuable in reality. If you want to go by Cloud's performance against
characters last contest, you have to make Ridley a decent midcarder and
that's a nearly laughable notion. Almost as laughable as SSB games
scoring 70%+ on FFX. Okay, not even close to almost. --- :> |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 11/4/2010 9:38:12 PM | message detail |
From: Team Rocket Elite | #104 Does anyone seriously think Viewtiful Joe would double Guitar Hero II? And that is a best-possible scenario for FFX, which will probably be closer to 75% at this rate than 80%. --- Wylvane Maniac64 is a horrible user. |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/4/2010 9:38:52 PM | message detail |
Ridley probably *is* a decent midcarder. --- You have her sympathy. You have her tears. She only tries to take all your fears. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/4/2010 9:39:33 PM | message detail |
Lets say its like 77% (which I'd say is more likely going by how FFX is constantly losing % now) What does VJ need to get on GH2 to have FFX > Melee? --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/4/2010 9:39:49 PM | message detail |
From: vcharon | #083 please keep selling GSC short. It's awesome. --- http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/yungflyerz/67106910.jpg |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/4/2010 9:40:12 PM | message detail |
Final Fantasy X vs. Twilight Princess Night match? Day match? 24 hour match? --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
vcharon | Posted 11/4/2010 9:40:19 PM | message detail |
Finally back in the right direction. --- :> |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/4/2010 9:40:30 PM | message detail |
I'll
be pretty surprised if Melee or Brawl breaks 55% on FFX, though, even
after this. That's what it got with Kingdom Hearts in the poll last
contest, and more than Team Nintendo put up against Team Square in the
GOTD poll. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
ExThaNemesis | Posted 11/4/2010 9:40:39 PM | message detail |
From: UltimaterializerX | #106 ExTha too, damnit! --- http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/yungflyerz/67106910.jpg |
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/4/2010 9:40:52 PM | message detail |
Lets say its like 77% (which I'd say is more likely going by how FFX is constantly losing % now) What does VJ need to get on GH2 to have FFX > Melee? 72.09% --- "Let me believe what you've always believed! That living is wonderful!" "Thank you so much... Thank you for loving me." |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/4/2010 9:41:12 PM | message detail |
Final Fantasy X vs. Twilight Princess TP > FFX would have been my upset special had it happened in this contest. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 27/32 Today's Matches: FFX & Borderlands |
Justin_Crossing | Posted 11/4/2010 9:41:17 PM | message detail |
From: Team Rocket Elite | #117 xfd --- ~Acting on Impulse~ |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/4/2010 9:41:25 PM | message detail |
And once you factor in day/night stuff it's probably more like 74%. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/4/2010 9:42:24 PM | message detail |
I'm telling you guys multiplayer SFF is for real Or FFX better hope it's real. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 27/32 Today's Matches: FFX & Borderlands |
vcharon | Posted 11/4/2010 9:44:30 PM | message detail |
From all this talk I'm just wondering what you all were expecting
out of FFX to make it look like a contender to Melee. I think it's
pretty clear Melee overperformed on GH2 because... it's Guitar Hero, I
mean seriously. That's not a finally honed stat but I don't think it
needs to be elaborated on. --- :> |
HaRRicH | Posted 11/4/2010 9:44:37 PM | message detail |
Well, here's a different way to look at today: assuming KH = KH2 and Gears 1 = Gears 2: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3488 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3472 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4050 VJ should only have 17.69% through this. It's not meant to be precise, but FFX isn't finding a kind comparison here. SSB-games were gonna win this round anyway, so no biggy right now...but it feels like foreshadowing. --- Love Epona. |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/4/2010 9:44:54 PM | message detail |
I
want to say though, that this match really doesn't mean as much as it
looks. We are far far far more confident about the strengths of FFX and
Melee than GH2/VJ. Thus, these matches tell us much more about the
GH2/VJ than FFX/SSBM. It's like Vincent/Kerrigan- people were calling for Vincent to win the contest during that match, asking how weak Kerrigan could possibly be. Well, it turned out- she really was that weak. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/4/2010 9:45:40 PM | message detail |
From
all this talk I'm just wondering what you all were expecting out of FFX
to make it look like a contender to Melee. I think it's pretty clear
Melee overperformed on GH2 because... it's Guitar Hero, I mean
seriously. That's not a finally honed stat but I don't think it needs
to be elaborated on. Mid 80s. --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/4/2010 9:46:35 PM | message detail |
vcharon
does have a point though. There's a reason why Rock Band 2 lost to some
old PC game that few people from this site have played, even if said PC
game is widely hailed as one of the best games of the decade at a
multitude of other sites. VJ probably would beat GH2. This site flat-out does not care about that series. --- Why did I pick Brawl to win the contest? |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/4/2010 9:46:40 PM | message detail |
Breaking 80% would have been enough to keep it competitive with Melee for me. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
vcharon | Posted 11/4/2010 9:47:09 PM | message detail |
I
will never expect anything related to Final Fantasy to ever score 85%
of something ever again. It's just not going to happen. It doesn't
matter if it's Tanner, I still think Cloud would fail to get 85% just
because he's Cloud from Final Fantasy. --- :> |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/4/2010 9:47:53 PM | message detail |
Excellent
post, red sox, but I think most people would agree that Melee would be
doing much better than this were it up against VJ. Even if you factor
in FF anti-voting or Melee simply being better equipped for blowouts,
this is still a piss-poor way to start the contest. This is one of the
big three, and the other two already set a crazy high standard. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/4/2010 9:50:22 PM | message detail |
The
problem with this result is that we just saw KH1 blow out Dawn of
Sorrow, which beat VJ easily in the vote-ins. There's a 0% chance KH1
beats FFX, so this result is...yeah. --- DFF |
vcharon | Posted 11/4/2010 9:51:21 PM | message detail |
Despite the vote-in, I don't believe DoS could beat VJ head to head. --- :> |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/4/2010 9:51:45 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #130 Does that mean we can toss out those 10-way polls as viable measures of strength and only use them to make fun of games that are bombing relative to our expectations (like today's)? Plz say yes. --- Yoblazer: http://8board.webs.com/ariel.jpg Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
vcharon | Posted 11/4/2010 9:53:00 PM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #132 No. They're still facts. Undeniable and completely accurate ones. --- :> |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/4/2010 9:53:22 PM | message detail |
Of
course not!. Vote-ins predicted KH1's match yesterday within .5% of the
final result. Most of the time they're pretty useful, but something you
just get weird stuff. --- DFF |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/4/2010 9:53:35 PM | message detail |
Shenmue vs. Viewtiful Joe Who you got? --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
creativename | Posted 11/4/2010 10:01:19 PM | message detail |
Either
Smash isn't going to come close to 60/40ing Final Fantasy X assuming
FFX gets there. I hope people realize this, and are just throwing these
silly extrapolated vote-in numbers out for "nothing better to talk
about" conversation purposes. From: TheCodeisBosco | #460 Indeed, I was thinking the same. VJ probably relies more on pic factor than most vote-in entrants, which is one of the many reasons the vote-in can't be taken very seriously. From: UltimaterializerX | #510 I'd say Ridley is overrated by a couple points in the raw stats because Cloud in any 12 hour match is weaker than Cloud in a 24 hour match, and Cloud in a 12 hour night match is very likely weaker than Cloud in a 12 hour day match, despite common perception to the contrary. But yeah, he's not weak. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 11/4/2010 10:02:32 PM | message detail |
Also,
let me just add that while we have a much better idea about Melee/FFX's
strength, that doesn't make me understand why so many people thought
FFX was a wise championship pick, especially against Melee.
Yes, I realize that their first match was a close 51/49 and that it
took place over six years ago, but look at what's happened since then. In 2004: Final Fantasy VII easily beats Ocarina of Time Chrono Trigger crushes Super Mario World Xenogears crushes Pokemon GSC Final Fantasy Tactics is strong enough to go 50/50 with Metal Gear Solid Square games have gotten significantly weaker since then, and Nintendo games have seemingly gotten stronger. How anyone thought FFX could reverse its 2004 loss in the middle of such drastic site-wide shifts (without resorting to favoritism, which is understandable) is beyond me. I guess I can understand a FFX > Brawl final with the bracket maker banking on anti-Brawl/Wii/recency voting helping FFX, but that is asking for a lot. I didn't argue it much during the bracket-making period, but I thought Final Fantasy X would always be a huge underdog against Melee in the final. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/4/2010 10:03:17 PM | message detail |
From: vcharon | #122 At least 80% and no signs of weakness whatsoever are what's needed for FFX > Melee. This match is clearly a sign of weakness. --- "Do you have ANY idea how low my self-esteem is?" -Dark Young Link |
creativename | Posted 11/4/2010 10:06:38 PM | message detail |
From: vcharon | #602 Yeah, voters probably look at GH2 and think "come on, this isn't even a 'real' game". It probably gets a disrespect vote. Much like Madden or something. From: red sox 777 | #604 Agreed. The strength of the vets will only vary so much. It's like Vincent/Kerrigan- people were calling for Vincent to win the contest during that match, asking how weak Kerrigan could possibly be. Well, it turned out- she really was that weak. People weren't really ever popularly favoring Vincent>Crono to my recollection, let alone the contest. Vincent winning the division was the talk. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
creativename | Posted 11/4/2010 10:14:21 PM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #657 FFX was like a 3:1 underdog against Brawl+Melee combined in the BOP, so I'm guessing most agreed with you. I'm thinking even some of those FFX picks were wishful thinking. There was much more talk in the stats topic about GSC>FFX, I don't remember anyone in here really hyping up FFX as the contest winner. People talked about it like a decent dark horse pick, which wasn't too unreasonable. That's pretty much out the window now in any case, even for the most optimistic FFX backers. Again, this match tells us far far more about its opponent, but it needed a better showing than this to be a viable threat to the Smash games. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Demon HunterX | Posted 11/4/2010 10:19:47 PM | message detail |
those 10 way polls mean nothing. The "last votes in" also mean nothing. 1v1s are completely different stories. i am disappointed with FFX's showing though --- Currently playing: SC2, Civ 5 Next up: eh ; Awaiting: meh |
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 11/4/2010 10:31:23 PM | message detail |
You
don't have to use the vote-ins to make FFX look bad. Even without
looking at any polls, we would expect Viewtiful Joe to be a really weak
game. Comparing this result to what SSBM and even KH did makes FFX look
even worse. I don't think anybody thinks FFX is as weak as this result
implies but it's without a doubt a bad start for FFX. --- "Let me believe what you've always believed! That living is wonderful!" "Thank you so much... Thank you for loving me." |
xp1337 | Posted 11/4/2010 10:37:33 PM | message detail |
GSC > FFX train, choo choo. And I backed off of that upset train thinking it was the reasonable course of action... and instead ended up with Sunshine > SA2 in the Division 1 Semifinals. *sigh* At least if Melee > Brawl happens now, I'm almost certainly guaranteed to beat Bacon's score! ... ... Well, that seems like a hollow victory if there was ever one. >_> --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? GotD (26/31) KH v Castlevania: DoS |
FastFalcon05 | Posted 11/4/2010 11:00:05 PM | message detail |
Ulti, I'm both frightened and pleased to say that I also have KH > KH2 and Melee over Brawl. --- One of the most troublesome things in life is that what you do or do not want has little to do with what does or does not happen. 4983-4640-3352 Brawl Code |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/4/2010 11:01:09 PM | message detail |
Do you also have MGS4 > 3? It's the one pick I made going against the "older games in a series have an advantage" thing. --- Dr_Football Factor'd |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/4/2010 11:08:05 PM | message detail |
Stuff I wished I picked in my bracket, without thinking about what's been going on so far this contest: Melee > Brawl Dead Rising > Persona 4 MGS3 > MGS4 Kingdom Hearts > Twilight Princess GSC > FFX Half-Life 2 > Fallout 3 You can see that I would want to bet against recency. As I said, going by my theory (where games released in '07 or later are mostly disappointing), Left 4 Dead and Portal bombing is actually a GOOD thing for Half-Life 2. Then again wouldn't HL2 basically be a 2007 game to most GameFAQs users? Well, it DID manage to get 25th on the list in '05, two years before The Orange Box... --- Why did I pick Brawl to win the contest? |
Greyfeld | Posted 11/4/2010 11:13:28 PM | message detail |
Speaking
of Dead Rising, you guys still think it's a shoe-in over TWEWY? We're
looking at a casual game vs. a niche JRPG once again, but being
handheld-only (not to mention Neku's horrid loss against Laharl in the
last character battle), I want to lean on Dead Rising pulling out the
win. Also, it's a night match, so I have no clue how that'll effect things. |
FastFalcon05 | Posted 11/4/2010 11:56:41 PM | message detail |
Do you also have MGS4 > 3? It's the one pick I made going against the "older games in a series have an advantage" thing. Why yes, yes I do. Well look at us. Granted I also took MGS4 to the finals, so I may have let the crazy train get the best of me. --- One of the most troublesome things in life is that what you do or do not want has little to do with what does or does not happen. 4983-4640-3352 Brawl Code |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 11/4/2010 11:58:14 PM | message detail |
Forgot
to mention SFIV > SA2, which would've been near obvious based on
what Ryu pulled off last year. Hold on, looking through the bracket,
here's how the "first half of the decade vs. second half of the decade"
rivalry has gone: NORTH DIVISION Deus Ex > Rock Band 2 Team Fortress 2 > Fable Uncharted 2 > Legend of Dragoon Street Fighter IV > Sonic Adventure 2 Halo 3 > Super Mario Sunshine (so far 4-1 in favor of second half) NORTHEAST DIVISION Tales of Symphonia > Resident Evil 5 Grand Theft Auto III > LittleBigPlanet Half-Life 2 > Left 4 Dead 2 (both halves are now tied 4-4) EAST DIVISION Smash Bros. Melee > Guitar Hero II Call of Duty 4 > Prince of Persia SOT Pokemon Platinum > Metroid Fusion Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance > WWF No Mercy Valkyria Chronicles > Disgaea (8-5 in favor of second half) SOUTHEAST DIVISION Super Mario Galaxy > Beyond Good and Evil Pokemon Emerald > Grand Theft Auto IV Dragon Age: Origins > F-Zero GX Zelda: Twilight Princess > Shenmue Kingdom Hearts II > Halo 2 Kingdom Hearts > Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow Overall: 12-7 in favor of the second half of the decade To be fair however I doubt there's much we can take from this, aside from just being a fun rivalry that we've never really seen before. Perhaps I should just split this into current-gen vs. older stuff? --- Why did I pick Brawl to win the contest? |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/5/2010 12:03:08 AM | message detail |
Looking like FFX should end up about 78 or 79% here. Not as bad as it originally looked --- Epona > any Western character in CB9! http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
