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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 936
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/3/2010 2:07:21 PM | message detail |
FF7 is older than the age it takes to make a message board account on gamefaqs now just think about that for a moment --- http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/3/2010 2:08:59 PM | message detail |
And
keep in mind that Mario 3 was clearly stronger than Mario World once
upon a time (57.10% based on direct matches with CT), and now we're not
sure that's even the case anymore. So yeah, old games getting even older certainly doesn't help their case. Do we believe LTTP is as strong now as it was in 2004? I don't. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/3/2010 2:09:39 PM | message detail |
I
think once a game is past a certain age, further decline is very very
gradual. But there seems to be a point, perhaps 10-12 or so years after
its release, when it falls off quite sharply. It happened to CT from
2005-2007, and to FFVII in 2008-10. I'd expect it to start to affect
OOT soon- and maybe Link's poor 2010 year was the first sign of OOT
falling off. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
transients | Posted 11/3/2010 2:11:30 PM | message detail |
nothing
is even close to OOT besides another game that's in decline so in
reality it doesn't matter. nothing can replace OOT which is the problem. --- xyzzy |
XxSoulxX | Posted 11/3/2010 2:11:39 PM | message detail |
CT
and FFVII had nothing to keep their strength up other than a few
blips/cameos. Zelda/Link always has new games coming out that are very
similar to OoT so it's going to be a long time before that one falls. --- "Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/3/2010 2:11:47 PM | message detail |
And
with CT and FFVII, the telltale sign that accompanied the drop in
strength was a collapse in ASV power. That is, the game's youngest
major group of fans had graduated from high school. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/3/2010 2:13:23 PM | message detail |
Yeah, I look forward to the 2023 Games Contest when we can finally pick something to beat FFVII and OoT! Of course, Nintendo and Square will have released their 25th Anniversary Special Editions, so that'll ruin any hopes for that! --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/3/2010 2:14:09 PM | message detail |
nothing
is even close to OOT besides another game that's in decline so in
reality it doesn't matter. nothing can replace OOT which is the problem. In 10 years, gaming will be so westernized that some Western game will probably knock in out in Game Contest VII --- http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/3/2010 2:47:32 PM | message detail |
I
really doubt western gaming will keep on its path for very long based
on the history of the industry. Gaming seems to flip between western
and eastern. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 23/28Today's Matches: BS & KH2 |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/3/2010 2:49:04 PM | message detail |
I
really doubt western gaming will keep on its path for very long based
on the history of the industry. Gaming seems to flip between western
and eastern. Japan refuses to evolve. If it refuses to evolve, it will never take back dominance in the gaming industry. It just can't keep up with the big budget games and innovation coming from the west these days. Its just happy churning out sequel after sequel with minimal improvements, and that just doesn't fly anymore. --- http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/3/2010 2:50:36 PM | message detail |
Gaming doesn't flip. It's been slowly trending towards Western games for a long time now. --- DFF |
charmander6000 | Posted 11/3/2010 3:03:27 PM | message detail |
By flip I mean there are times when gaming is shifting towards being eastern and times when it is shifting towards western. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 23/28Today's Matches: BS & KH2 |
transients | Posted 11/3/2010 3:05:50 PM | message detail |
there is no Western game that's even a top 20 game on this site. it has a damn long way to go. --- xyzzy |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/3/2010 3:06:33 PM | message detail |
But
it hasn't, really. In the NES-SNES era, it was all Japan. In the N64
era, it was mostly Japan with a little bit of Western. In the PS2 era
Japan still had the majority but Western games were really starting to
make a name for themselves. This gen as a whole has been about equal,
but the last few years have been dominated by major western releases.
It's mostly been a gradual trend right from the start. --- DFF |
KamikazePotato | Posted 11/3/2010 3:07:14 PM | message detail |
Oh yeah. On GameFAQs western games will never be as popular as they should be. Blame nostalgia! --- DFF |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/3/2010 3:07:35 PM | message detail |
By flip I mean there are times when gaming is shifting towards being eastern and times when it is shifting towards western. When before the last 6-7 years was it shifting towards Western? I guess maybe early days of like PC games in the early 80s... but ever since then, its been Japanese dominance. But starting in the last gen, it really started to swing towards West, and now in this generation, its firmly entrenced with West dominance. I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon, just with West having more and more dominance as time goes on. We even have top Japanese publishers like Capcom hiring all kinds of Western developers to do their top franchises like Devil May Cry, Dead Rising and Resident Evil. Capcom doesn't even trust their own teams enough anymore. --- http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 11/3/2010 3:25:04 PM | message detail |
Did I really see someone predicting the next ten years of the game industry based on the environment today Also - Nintendo is a Japanese company. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/3/2010 3:30:06 PM | message detail |
From: ZFS | #467 Thanks, professor. --- "if only there were some way I could have sex" - Smartmuffin |
ZFS | Posted 11/3/2010 3:31:06 PM | message detail |
It had to be done with Albion around. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/3/2010 3:31:39 PM | message detail |
Also - Nintendo is a Japanese company. They're also more of a family entertainment company than a video game company these days. They can dominate that industry all they want, doesn't mean that the rest of the Japanese gaming industry is doing crap these days. The lack of good new Japanese developers plus the lack of outstanding new IPs from Japan is proof enough of that. --- http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/3/2010 3:45:34 PM | message detail |
So what would you say is our strongest western game? --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/3/2010 3:47:01 PM | message detail |
Fallout
3 is easily the strongest Western game we got now. I'm sure that in the
coming years, as Western Games get stronger and stronger, we'll get
some major games that will have the chance to take out the Nintendo and
Square heavy weights, since the strength for those games will also
decline as the shift in gaming will go on. --- http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
Natwaf_akidna | Posted 11/3/2010 3:47:20 PM | message detail |
Phew, glad I stuck with KH 2. --- Pram's WA2 screenshot gallery (unfortunately, on indefinite hiatus >_>) http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f345/Mr_Plue/Wild%20Arms%202%20Gallery/ |
vcharon | Posted 11/3/2010 3:48:12 PM | message detail |
If only the map was this blue yesterday. --- :> |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/3/2010 3:48:34 PM | message detail |
From: NoDicePwn | #472 I figured you'd say that. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3501 Yeah, I think we're still a ways away from western domination. --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
FFI3_Lightning | Posted 11/3/2010 3:48:43 PM | message detail |
Goldeneye. --- http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l271/Mithos_2006/SpringFR.png |
ZFS | Posted 11/3/2010 3:50:01 PM | message detail |
Fallout 3, most likely. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/3/2010 3:50:45 PM | message detail |
I figured you'd say that. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3501 Yeah, I think we're still a ways away from western domination. And I could follow that up with this poll and say we're a lot closer than you think: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3364 I'd be inclined to think that another first person action game on 360 hurt Fallout 3 in that 4way. But anyway, the day will come. It won't come in the next few years, but we're almost to the point where West dominates as much as Japan dominated during the 16 bit days, and theres no indication of it slowing down. --- http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/3/2010 3:52:05 PM | message detail |
From: NoDicePwn | #478 I had a feeling you'd respond to that one. Do the math for me: What percentage do the western games have in each of those polls? It's not hard. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
ZFS | Posted 11/3/2010 3:52:13 PM | message detail |
Haha, Goldeneye actually is probably the answer there. Good call. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
FFI3_Lightning | Posted 11/3/2010 3:52:55 PM | message detail |
I think MAss Effect 3 if it delivers has the potential to challenge some of the more popular nonWestern games. --- http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l271/Mithos_2006/SpringFR.png |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/3/2010 3:53:58 PM | message detail |
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LeonhartFour | Posted 11/3/2010 3:54:25 PM | message detail |
When FFXIII wins GOTY, I'll be laughing at this "Western games are catching up!" business. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/3/2010 3:54:59 PM | message detail |
I
guess it comes down to what you think is more impressive... 35.58% on
Brawl, or 26.13% on FFVII. I'd be inclined to think the former. --- http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 11/3/2010 3:56:19 PM | message detail |
Well, if you're putting your hopes on FFXIII to disprove the idea you'll be disappointed! --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/3/2010 3:56:36 PM | message detail |
......Well,
Goldeneye is a Western game, forgot that it was momentarily. It's also
a top 20 game, so that makes 1 Western game in the top 20. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/3/2010 3:57:20 PM | message detail |
From: ZFS | #485 I doubt it! LOL Mass Effect and Red Dead Redemption no chance --- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX! http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/3/2010 3:58:11 PM | message detail |
And
yeah, FFXIII is winning the goty. In the multi poll, ME2 and New Vegas
will LFF eachother enough to let XIII win the match, and none of the
console winners are going to beat it. --- http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/3/2010 3:58:22 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #483 That would be a rather...depressing thought. Especially after so many great games this year(Bayonetta, Mass Effect 2, Red Dead Redeemption, Halo Reach, Super Mario Galaxy 2, God of War 3, Starcraft 2). Honestly, I totally forgot FF13 came out this year. --- I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
transients | Posted 11/3/2010 3:59:25 PM | message detail |
it's between Goldeneye and Fallout 3. maybe Oblivion for a darkhorse. the next game to challenge the status quo will be a huge western RPG from Bethesda or Bioware. not sure what it'll be, though ME3 has the chance if it goes truly multiplatform at launch. meanwhile, these games beat every Western game in existence FF6 FF7 FF8 FF10 Zelda: LTTP Zelda: OOT Zelda: Wind Waker Zelda: Twilight Princess Smash Bros. Melee Smash Bros. Brawl KH KH2 RE4 CT Mario 3 Mario World Mario 64 MGS3 MGS4 Pokemon RBY Pokemon GSC Mario 1, probably FF9, maybe --- xyzzy |
FFI3_Lightning | Posted 11/3/2010 3:59:28 PM | message detail |
ME2
or SMG2 will win. RDR an outsider as is FF13. FF13 for me has been
getting FAR too much of a negative press for it to win a GOTY poll.
Doesn't matter if it's a mainline FF game, it means jack squat if you
don't have the fanbase. --- http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l271/Mithos_2006/Ayaneff13.png |
ZFS | Posted 11/3/2010 3:59:28 PM | message detail |
lol
FFXIII is far more appropriate there than either of those games! Game
will be RE5 with a bigger name -- it ain't winning GOTY, or getting
close! --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
transients | Posted 11/3/2010 4:00:15 PM | message detail |
FF13 is such a smash hit that it's less than 20 bucks on Amazon today, eight months after release! --- xyzzy |
Justin_Crossing | Posted 11/3/2010 4:00:22 PM | message detail |
also cataclysm >_> <_< --- ~Acting on Impulse~ |
Justin_Crossing | Posted 11/3/2010 4:00:58 PM | message detail |
From: transients | #490 i would dare to argue that a fair number of those lose to fallout 3 --- ~Acting on Impulse~ |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/3/2010 4:01:45 PM | message detail |
From: transients | #493 Yeah, but keep in mind that GameFAQs was like the only major (if you consider us major) gaming site to vote Brawl GOTY, so yeah. --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
red sox 777 | Posted 11/3/2010 4:01:53 PM | message detail |
I
have to agree that there is a major trend in the industry towards
Western games though. It's not something that's gone back and forth,
it's been a steady trend since the PS1/N64 generation towards Western
games and away from Japan. Western games haven't yet entered into the
top level on Gamefaqs, and I doubt this site ever loses sight of its
root in Japanese games, but we'll probably see some strong Western
games in 10 years. --- Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest. |
transients | Posted 11/3/2010 4:02:09 PM | message detail |
i would dare to argue that a fair number of those lose to fallout 3 name 'em --- xyzzy |
LeonhartFour | Posted 11/3/2010 4:02:27 PM | message detail |
From: Justin_Crossing | #495 I would argue 1, at best, and that's FFIX. Fallout 3 ain't beating the rest of those. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/3/2010 4:02:43 PM | message detail |
Fallout 3 would beat FF9 and Wind Waker for sure. Tossup for FF8 and Mario 1. --- http://i.neoseeker.com/ca/fallout_new_vegas_conceptart_7XvFK.jpg |
