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GrapefruitKing | Posted 11/2/2010 5:54:44 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=189
Shenmue is stronger than Pokemon Gold/Silver, surely it has a slight chance to upset Twilight Princess ...... right?



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SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

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Intanos VI | Posted 11/2/2010 5:58:32 AM | message detail
Oh dear at posting that poll. At that time, Pokemon was hated, most of the players were kids who wouldn't even be on here to vote and GameFAQs was still a pretty small site. There was genuine Dreamcast hype around that time aswell.
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The Real Truth | Posted 11/2/2010 6:03:46 AM | message detail
That poll proves it. I'm taking Shenmue.
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The Real Truth | Posted 11/2/2010 6:04:33 AM | message detail
Also, these matches are missing from Creativename's site

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3483 R/B/Y, Majora, MGS, G/S/C
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3485 SM64/SotN/CT/SMW2
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3486 FF6/LW/Sonic 2/MK2
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Xcarvenger | Posted 11/2/2010 6:12:38 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=294
hail Chrono Cross game of the decade might as well end the contest now
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 11/2/2010 6:18:28 AM | message detail
Oh dear at thinking I'm ever gonna make a serious post
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Oracle contest - 47th
Today's pick: Dragon Age - 64.86% Status: meh
creativename | Posted 11/2/2010 6:42:12 AM | message detail
Man, that's some Sora-esque ASV+SNV from Pokemon last match! Poke-beasting. I thought GTA had a better ASV than that.

Galaxy in a night match will make RSE look bad though.

Too bad for Dragon Age that it has such a bad placement, it might've made some noise in a more favorable spot. It probably beats both VC and Disgaea pretty easily for instance. Maybe even 60/40's them?

And Twilight Princess vs. Shenmue is going to get uuugly.

From: The Real Truth | #004
Also, these matches are missing from Creativename's site

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3483 R/B/Y, Majora, MGS, G/S/C
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3485 SM64/SotN/CT/SMW2
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3486 FF6/LW/Sonic 2/MK2


There was a database crash in the offseason. I recovered what I could but unfortunately I guess some matches were lost.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 11/2/2010 9:41:48 AM | message detail
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TheCodeisBosco | Posted 11/2/2010 9:41:54 AM | message detail
bumpo

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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/2/2010 9:43:01 AM | message detail
Found an interesting post from the 2008 Character Battle:

transience | Posted 11/4/2008 8:00:00 AM | message detail
weird, we've got weekend trends here instead of normal schoolday ones. yay elections!


Retrieved from this page:

http://thengamer.com/stats/Pt601-650/Stats_and_Discussion_Pt620/Stats%20and%20Discussion%20Pt620%20Pg2.htm

Wonder if this match will follow weekend trends due to the elections? Granted, the elections today are just midterm elections and don't receive as much voter turnout than the presidential elections. A small chance we might get an election poll today (like there was for the 2008 election), but I doubt it.
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voltch | Posted 11/2/2010 9:45:23 AM | message detail
bump on a stats topic?
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The Real Truth | Posted 11/2/2010 9:47:05 AM | message detail
creativename
Posted: 11/2/2010 6:42:12 AM Man, that's some Sora-esque ASV+SNV from Pokemon last match! Poke-beasting. I thought GTA had a better ASV than that.

Galaxy in a night match will make RSE look bad though.

Too bad for Dragon Age that it has such a bad placement, it might've made some noise in a more favorable spot. It probably beats both VC and Disgaea pretty easily for instance. Maybe even 60/40's them?

And Twilight Princess vs. Shenmue is going to get uuugly.

From: The Real Truth | #004
Also, these matches are missing from Creativename's site

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3483 R/B/Y, Majora, MGS, G/S/C
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3485 SM64/SotN/CT/SMW2
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3486 FF6/LW/Sonic 2/MK2


There was a database crash in the offseason. I recovered what I could but unfortunately I guess some matches were lost.


Is there any way you can at least link to the final stats for the matches that messed up? It's a lot easier than going through past poll results on this site.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 11/2/2010 9:48:22 AM | message detail
With it being the national elections today in America, think we might see any different voting trends? Like maybe less votes from NA?
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/2/2010 9:49:40 AM | message detail
With it being the national elections today in America, think we might see any different voting trends?

If the trends do make this match act like a weekend match, then TP's ASV might be weaker than usual.

Like maybe less votes from NA?

I doubt that would be affected by the election.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/2/2010 9:54:23 AM | message detail
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 11/2/2010 9:58:02 AM | message detail
Maybe I'm bad at math but....

BG&E doesn't even look like it doubled Rome: Total War.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/2/2010 9:58:49 AM | message detail
Yeah you're right

I don't know how I messed that up

It was more like, 63%, sorry.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/2/2010 10:03:01 AM | message detail

From: NoDicePwn | #013
With it being the national elections today in America, think we might see any different voting trends? Like maybe less votes from NA?


Schools have a 4 day weekend and it's considered a federal holiday, for what it's worth. Not like it matters, TP was going to romp no matter what.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/2/2010 10:03:02 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3997
Shenmue gets 59% on Total War

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4047
Beyond Good & Evil gets 63% on Rome: Total War

Now such polls are hard to get a grasp of(and I myself have berated multi-option stats so I'm kind of a hypocrite) but this makes Galaxy look good. Depending on how SFF falls it might even win, but I doubt that.

This time with correct maths!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 11/2/2010 10:03:14 AM | message detail
Also, whiners are out in full force today.
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Blairville | Posted 11/2/2010 10:03:55 AM | message detail
4601 vs 2739, is that even 60%?

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AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 11/2/2010 10:04:53 AM | message detail

From: Blairville | #021
4601 vs 2739, is that even 60%?


Yes, it's just under 63%.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/2/2010 10:12:16 AM | message detail
I think we might actually have weekend trends today. Vote totals are unusually high by this point into the match. Here were the vote totals for day matches at the end of the first hour:

Weekday Day Matches:

TP/Shenmue - 7207
Pokemon RSE/GTA IV - 6719
CoD4/PoP - 5751
WC3/Morrowind - 5917
HL2/L4D2 - 4631
GoW/L4D - 5991
Okami/NMH - 5927
SA2/SFIV - 6600
TF2/Fable - 6602
RB2/Deus Ex - 5424

Weekend Day Matches:

Brawl/MKDS - 7541
No Mercy/Fire Emblem - 6584
Mother 3/DMC3 - 7159
Halo/Ninja Gaiden - 7093

3 of the weekend matches broke 7000 votes after one hour and TP/Shenmue has the second highest vote total after the first hour despite being a weekday match. Day matches that occur on a weekday generally have lower vote totals after the first hour than those that occur on a weekend.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/2/2010 10:12:18 AM | message detail
Also, whiners are out in full force today.

Lol I expected that, tbh. With all the complaining I always hear about "Shenmue needs a sequel!!!" I fully expected Deus Ex-level whining while Shenmue got steamrolled by Zelda :P
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 11/2/2010 10:13:36 AM | message detail
Man the first poll that is in the first post...How things change eh?G/S/C was last,but now it can beat all these games in 1vs1...And as for FFIX?Yeah right...
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creativename | Posted 11/2/2010 10:19:32 AM | message detail

From: The Real Truth | #052
Is there any way you can at least link to the final stats for the matches that messed up? It's a lot easier than going through past poll results on this site.


Well alright. I used the manual poll update page (poll_update.php?pollid=xxxx) to insert the following, which I believe are all the polls for which data is missing (I made a note of this list on the facts and trivia page):
3456
3461
3483
3486
3496

From: Lightning Strikes | #059
but this makes Galaxy look good. Depending on how SFF falls it might even win


I believe the only plausible response to this is "LOLno" :P
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/2/2010 10:24:23 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=3456&num=4

Whoops, it doesn't show all 4 games.

Polls 3461, 3483, 3486, and 3496 need to be moved from the GOTD section over to the BGE 2K9 section of the site.
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creativename | Posted 11/2/2010 10:28:25 AM | message detail
Yes I realized. I had to make minor changes to the script. The poll_update.php now takes additional parameters num_entrants and contest, e.g. in this case poll_update.php?pollid=3456&num_entrants=4&contest=BGE 2K9
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 11/2/2010 10:30:40 AM | message detail

From: creativename | #026
I believe the only plausible response to this is "LOLno" :P


I'm just sayin'!
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creativename | Posted 11/2/2010 10:33:30 AM | message detail
I'm not really buying into this weekend trends theory, I think Zelda will maul with the ASV as usual.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 11/2/2010 10:35:11 AM | message detail
Vote totals seem unusually high by this point into the match. I made this post earlier regarding the possible chance of weekend trends:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/56993778/630320981
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/2/2010 10:35:22 AM | message detail
So, I was looking at the ToV/Borderlands match. I've been going over it in my head over and over again, trying to figure out which one has the advantage. These are the three main polls I pulled:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3356
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4049
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3722

The first poll doesn't give us much to compare against... ToV beats out Ninja Gaiden 2, and Fable 2, but if we're to go by this contest's previous matches, that only tells us that ToV isn't bottom-barrel fodder.

The second and third polls are interesting. In one, you have Tales of the Abyss being doubled by RE5, with little in the poll to SFF, except maybe Xenosaga. In the other, you have Borderlands putting up 95% against RE5, but the entire poll is flooded with shooters and action games.

I can only assume that ToV is stronger than ToTA, being one of the few accepted console JRPGs of this generation, but aside from that, I can't make heads or tales (lol) of the results from these polls. If somebody else can, I'd be more than happy to listen.

I should also note that after looking at some of these polls, it seems both games are better on the day vote, and ToV will probably have a better SNV (the votes coming from Asia and Europe were pretty horrible for Borderlands). ToV is an xbox JRPG while Borderlands is a multiplatform shooter/WRPG.

My gut says ToV, but I could be wrong. Any thoughts from other posters are appreciated.
NoDicePwn | Posted 11/2/2010 10:36:52 AM | message detail
I'm not really buying into this weekend trends theory, I think Zelda will maul with the ASV as usual.

You're not buying the fact many kids have off of school today? You can't really argue against a fact, you know..
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/2/2010 10:43:26 AM | message detail
LoZ:TP's doing well here. It's hard to take much from it, though. Shenmue's not what it used to be unless you think LoZ:TP smashes FFX...and I might have taken LoZ:TP > FFX if the opportunity was there, but this match doesn't do anything to confirm or deny it.
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 11/2/2010 10:45:01 AM | message detail
If we put Shemnue on approx. the level of BG&E then it's doing pretty much exactly as we expected.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/2/2010 10:46:27 AM | message detail
I think Vesperia will be better than what people are giving it credit for, but I doubt it wins.

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Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/2/2010 10:48:34 AM | message detail
TP's one of my picks for most "wasted" games in the bracket. Others include RE4, SMG, MGS2 and FFIX.

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NoDicePwn | Posted 11/2/2010 10:50:29 AM | message detail
How was FF9 wasted? It was allowed to get to the division finals, and for a game of its strength, thats about all it can ask for.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/2/2010 10:50:45 AM | message detail
I think Vesperia will be better than what people are giving it credit for, but I doubt it wins.

It's kind of one of those "who sucks less" matches, honestly. But in two polls, Borderlands only barely beat L4D2.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3684
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3722

Which honestly doesn't bode that well, since L4D is pretty close to fodder-level as it is. I think instead of comparing to RE5, we should be wondering how close ToV is to L4D.
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 11/2/2010 10:52:17 AM | message detail
TP and RE4 are getting to the Elite Eight...how is that wasted >_>
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/2/2010 10:52:28 AM | message detail

From: Greyfeld | #032
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3722


Valid, but Borderlands had another poll in this year's GotY-polls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3724

It looks considerably better here, likely because of the removal of other FPS-games like MW2 and L4D2. Which version of Borderlands we'll see remains to be seen, but I'd rather trust the poll I just posted...and that'd make it more difficult for a Tales-game not Symphonia to overcome.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 11/2/2010 10:53:15 AM | message detail
Borderlands also did this:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3724

And even though it lost to RE5, we saw how well RE5 just did against Symphonia.

Granted, there are reasons why Borderlands would look better in GotY polls (FPS games tend to overperform by quite a bit in them), but I don't think Vesperia will be that close to Symphonia.

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Greyfeld | Posted 11/2/2010 10:59:37 AM | message detail
It looks considerably better here, likely because of the removal of other FPS-games like MW2 and L4D2. Which version of Borderlands we'll see remains to be seen, but I'd rather trust the poll I just posted...and that'd make it more difficult for a Tales-game not Symphonia to overcome.

But look at what else is in the poll.

Demon's Souls - near-fodder
Fat Princess - downloadable
Half-Minute Hero - handheld
infamous - fodder
Muramasa - Wii game
Plants v. Zombies - downloadable
Scribblenauts - handheld
Shadow Complex - downloadable

The wide majority of games in that poll are handheld or downloadable games, both of which are known to do extremely poorly on gamefaqs. In the end, this was really only a poll between Borderlands, DAO, inFamous, and Demon's Souls... and this contest has already proven two of those games to be fodder (infamous gets nearly quadrupled by FO3, and DS loses to a downloadable game).

The fact that it pulls second place isn't in the least bit impressive, honestly.
Ultimaphazon | Posted 11/2/2010 11:02:52 AM | message detail
I went with Vesperia in that match, just because I figured a jrpg was closer to the taste of the Gamefaqs community. It's the best jrpg of the generation, and at worst, I lose a point on a fanboy pick.
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Greyfeld | Posted 11/2/2010 11:04:32 AM | message detail
I switched to borderlands at the last minute, though I'm not sure I should have now. However, I'm more concerned about my battle picks than my bracket at this point. There's going to be a LOT of banking done on ToV/Borderlands, and if I can get the match right, I'll have a streak running.
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Score-Brackets-% Right
26------8------------62.50
25------54----------92.59
24------327--------92.35
23------1167------92.29
22------2586------91.03
21------4140------91.09
20------5320------91.22
19------5102------88.98
18------4084------87.59
17------3073------86.01
16------2200------84.68
15------1382------81.19
14------808--------82.30
13------463--------74.95
12------215--------66.51
11------127--------71.65
10------56----------58.93
9--------40----------50.00
8--------23----------34.78
7--------35----------8.57
6--------18----------5.56
5--------11----------9.09
4--------8------------0.00
3--------5------------0.00
2--------6------------16.67
1--------17----------0.00
0--------39----------0.00

The remaining perfects really took a beating on this match for some reason. 3 of the remaining 8 get the match wrong. Only 4 of the 54 -1 brackets got the match wrong. Other than the perfects getting hammered, the prediction percentage near the top was pretty much expected. We've only got 5 perfects left. All of them are going to get the current match right, right?

4 people fell off the Top 50 today. Jigpuff, not_an_imp, Infrared187 and earthlink453553 did not have Dragon Age: Origins beating F-Zero GX.

2 people got the match wrong and survived. Former second place mjg3456789 and darkturkish5 also did not have Dragon Age: Origins beating F-Zero GX.
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HaRRicH | Posted 11/2/2010 11:16:01 AM | message detail
If DS is only near-fodder, Borderlands almost doubling it can't be so bad, especially since ToV isn't going to easily beat DS (or MM9). Besides that, the poll's really just between Borderlands and DA:O -- the others don't matter very much, as you already suggested. We just saw DA:O do well, and Uncharted 2/Batman:AA were near-equals to DA:O from January that have also done well enough so far this contest, so it's not like 2009's had some bad break-down this contest.

If ToV is stronger than we expect, Borderlands might be in trouble...but on its own merits, Borderlands should be fine.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 11/2/2010 11:23:13 AM | message detail
TP and RE4 are getting to the Elite Eight...how is that wasted >_>

I meant in terms of providing interesting matches, though I did forget TP goes up against KH/2, so it's really just RE4 that's been given an obvious path.

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Greyfeld | Posted 11/2/2010 11:30:37 AM | message detail
We just saw DA:O do well, and Uncharted 2/Batman:AA were near-equals to DA:O from January that have also done well enough so far this contest, so it's not like 2009's had some bad break-down this contest.

The thing is, in a 1v1 poll, I'm not sure that I would take Borderlands to beat Demon's Souls. I would go as far to say that in that poll, DAO significantly SFFed DS.

Also, DAO just went up against F-Zero. I don't know about you, but I have never in my life met anybody who has even played that game.
pjbasis | Posted 11/2/2010 11:32:00 AM | message detail
You mean KH1.