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ExThaNemesis | Posted 10/30/2010 8:21:02 AM | message detail
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SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

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FFI3_Lightning | Posted 10/30/2010 8:21:46 AM | message detail
Golden Sun>>>>Fire Emblem.
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Eeeevil Overlord | Posted 10/30/2010 8:23:27 AM | message detail
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/30/2010 10:11:46 AM | message detail
Infamous and Guitar hero would both 60%+ No Mercy.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/30/2010 10:12:03 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #482
Twilight Princess isn't a great game, so there you go.


Opinions and subjective statements.

Minority ones at that.

Anyway, I don't see any games so far that have looked this bad, and the pattern this match has had shows that it's only going to get worse for No Mercy. This showing is awful in every way. Very few matches will end this lopsided, and most of the time the winner will be stronger than PoR.

The only game that might show itself to be weaker is Braid.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 10/30/2010 10:12:30 AM | message detail
poor no mercy :(

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The Real Truth | Posted 10/30/2010 10:13:47 AM | message detail
Well I guess I'm definitely losing another for having Tony Hawk do something.
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xp1337 | Posted 10/30/2010 10:16:44 AM | message detail
Admittedly, when I say I take GCN > GBA, it stems more from just plugging it into a general case of Console > Handheld than anything else.

Nevertheless, I do believe it to be the case. It's just, I'm having a pretty hard time coming up with anything to defend it with other than Console v Handheld, so I definitely understand it seeming like a flimsy argument.
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GotD (17/21) No Mercy v FE: PoR
UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/30/2010 10:16:53 AM | message detail
Not minority at all, since almost every Zelda fan thinks Ocarina or LTTP are the best in the series. After that people go with Zelda 1 (typically older gamers) or Majora's Mask, and after all that is when people bring up Twilight Princess and other stuff. Too much dumb hand-holding in that game for too long, and it isn't until the Arbiter's Grounds that the game stops being awful.
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FFI3_Lightning | Posted 10/30/2010 10:17:49 AM | message detail
To be fair i some of us overestimated No mercy because it was popular what? almost 10 years ago. No mercy is without a doubt the most popular Wrestling game on this site but it's also one of the oldest this decade.

Opinions and subjective statements.

Minority ones at that.


TP is a great game..it's just not a very good zelda game.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 10:19:04 AM | message detail
I just think games that first introduce people to a new universe have a series advantage in a contest like this. It's why I picked Melee > Brawl

We are aware (and most of the site is as well, I assume) that Melee wasn't the first Smash game, right...?
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xp1337 | Posted 10/30/2010 10:19:22 AM | message detail
Well, I don't think TP is terrible or anything, but yeah, I'd immediately place Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time ahead of it. Probably Link's Awakening too.
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GotD (17/21) No Mercy v FE: PoR
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/30/2010 10:19:33 AM | message detail
TP is the best Zelda game.

Where's KoolAid and Leon to back me up?

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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 10/30/2010 10:20:00 AM | message detail
Only The Undertaker would stand a chance against Ike, and that's if he no-sells everything.

Well maybe if it takes place at Wrestlemania...
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RPGuy96 | Posted 10/30/2010 10:20:05 AM | message detail
We finally get to see a Fire Emblem game without the debilitating effect of SFF. Hooray!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/30/2010 10:20:29 AM | message detail
I completely forgot about Link's Awakening, yeah. Throw that into the second sentence.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 10/30/2010 10:21:26 AM | message detail
I would take every game in this contest so far outside of Mother 3 to beat No Mercy. This is a decade old extreme sports game. It was never gonna have any semblence of strength.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 10:22:21 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #013
TP is the best Zelda game.

Where's KoolAid and Leon to back me up?


What's up?

TP the best
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/30/2010 10:23:46 AM | message detail
TP is totally the best. It's like Ocarina of Time but with more Stallord.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/30/2010 10:24:07 AM | message detail
LttP > LA > OoT > TP > The rest
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/30/2010 10:24:43 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #009
Not minority at all, since almost every Zelda fan thinks Ocarina or LTTP are the best in the series. After that people go with Zelda 1 (typically older gamers) or Majora's Mask, and after all that is when people bring up Twilight Princess and other stuff. Too much dumb hand-holding in that game for too long, and it isn't until the Arbiter's Grounds that the game stops being awful.


TP is one of the best received Zelda games, albeit one with a hatedom. Hell, let's compare.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/wii/928519-the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess
http://www.gamefaqs.com/n64/197770-the-legend-of-zelda-majoras-mask
http://www.gamefaqs.com/nes/563433-the-legend-of-zelda

Here we see that TP has the same(slightly better than Zelda 1) reception from the fans but with a hell of a lot more votes, and higher critical reception. There's no denying that TP is the third most popular Zelda game on the site, and generally regarded as just after OoT and LttP.

No offense dude, but you put too much stock in people agreeing with your opinions.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/30/2010 10:25:07 AM | message detail
I would take Mother 3 to beat No Mercy, and pretty easily at that.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 10:25:58 AM | message detail
Also, Twilight Princess would rock Majora's Mask or Wind Waker in a direct matchup.

Do people really believe that wouldn't be the case?
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xp1337 | Posted 10/30/2010 10:26:57 AM | message detail
From: MoogleKupo141 | #019
TP is totally the best. It's like Ocarina of Time but with more Stallord.

If only all of TP was Arbiter's Ground!

I think TP definitely had points where it was on the MM tier for me, but it also had points where it just wasn't even close. Once I try to average it all out, it falls behind a number of Zelda games.

If TP was all like Arbiter's Ground, it might very well be my second favorite (I'm not sure Majora's Mask could be deposed in that respect, unless there was a Zelda game somewhat similar to it, so first was probably always out of reach.)
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GotD (17/21) No Mercy v FE: PoR
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/30/2010 10:27:23 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #013
TP is the best Zelda game.

Where's KoolAid and Leon to back me up?


^5
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xp1337 | Posted 10/30/2010 10:28:22 AM | message detail
From: LeonhartFour | #023
Also, Twilight Princess would rock Majora's Mask or Wind Waker in a direct matchup.

Do people really believe that wouldn't be the case?


...Oh, oh no, TP would destroy MM and WW in a direct match on this site. No doubt in my mind it's the 3rd strongest Zelda here behind OoT and LttP.
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GotD (17/21) No Mercy v FE: PoR
Ultimaphazon | Posted 10/30/2010 10:29:16 AM | message detail
LA > TP > WW > OOT > LttP
Haven't played any others.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 10/30/2010 10:30:00 AM | message detail
I would take Mother 3 to beat No Mercy, and pretty easily at that.

When a game never even released in English speaking countries can beat you, you know you suck.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/30/2010 10:30:39 AM | message detail
Mother 3 probably doesn't even end up in the bottom 10.

This contest, I swear!

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Mr3790 | Posted 10/30/2010 10:31:10 AM | message detail
Wow, I didn't expect No Mercy to be this bad. Thankfully I picked Fire Emblem.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/30/2010 10:31:58 AM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #021
No offense dude, but you put too much stock in people agreeing with your opinions.


No offense dude, but GameFAQs rating charts mean literally nothing.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 10:32:52 AM | message detail
To be honest, I'm kind of surprised so many people picked No Mercy. I figured it'd just be the wrestling fanboys who didn't care to throw away a point on this match. No Mercy was either barely going to win or it was going to get destroyed. There were no other options. I would've picked POR in a flash if I didn't love No Mercy so much.
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/30/2010 10:32:58 AM | message detail
...Except what people on GameFAQs think?

You know, what I was talking about in the first place?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 10:33:40 AM | message detail
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT!
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pjbasis | Posted 10/30/2010 10:38:10 AM | message detail
That was the best video game intro ever.

And TP is a good game.

Just not better than...almost any Zelda.
UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/30/2010 10:41:15 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #032
To be honest, I'm kind of surprised so many people picked No Mercy. I figured it'd just be the wrestling fanboys who didn't care to throw away a point on this match. No Mercy was either barely going to win or it was going to get destroyed. There were no other options. I would've picked POR in a flash if I didn't love No Mercy so much.


Twice this contest I picked against a MASSIVE favorite of mine (SF4 and today) in what are probably one-point matches. Kinda kicking myself for it.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 10:44:06 AM | message detail
I don't have a problem fanboy picking 1 point matches. I really don't. Hence why I have UYA > GS in a few days (and I will be laughing at you all that day! All of you!)

Well, I'll be laughing ALONG WITH KoolAid and Wiggs, but AT the rest of you!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/30/2010 10:44:46 AM | message detail
If Golden Sun beats SA, it'll be 3 points!

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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 10:45:31 AM | message detail
Pfffft
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IngmarBirdman | Posted 10/30/2010 10:47:21 AM | message detail
At least these fodder matches are one-pointers. Pretty much anything can happen between games that are both going to end up in the bottom 25% of the x-stats. This gap gets bridged in one day with Melee > Brawl.

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NoDicePwn | Posted 10/30/2010 10:48:13 AM | message detail
So uh, why is anyone going with VC tonight? VC is total fodder. At least Disgaea is recognizable fodder!
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tgs2 | Posted 10/30/2010 10:49:47 AM | message detail

From: NoDicePwn | #041
So uh, why is anyone going with VC tonight? VC is total fodder. At least Disgaea is recognizable fodder!


Because it's only 1 point regardless.
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VeryInsane | Posted 10/30/2010 10:49:53 AM | message detail
Oddly enough, practically every game that was in a match last contest has won a match against newcomers. (SFIV, Deus Ex, Morrowind, Tales, Halo 3, and all of the obvious picks)

I'm guessing all the gamers played all of those games and realized they are that good. :D
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Chaotic Mind | Posted 10/30/2010 10:51:53 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #011
I just think games that first introduce people to a new universe have a series advantage in a contest like this. It's why I picked Melee > Brawl

We are aware (and most of the site is as well, I assume) that Melee wasn't the first Smash game, right...?


I sure am. The original Smash is still my favorite.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 10/30/2010 10:53:50 AM | message detail
The original Smash was never really that popular or that full of quality. By all intensive purposes, the series started with Melee, like GTA3 or Fallout 3 essentially started their series.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 10:54:17 AM | message detail

From: NoDicePwn | #045
The original Smash was never really that popular or that full of quality.


what
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/30/2010 10:55:24 AM | message detail

From: NoDicePwn | #045
The original Smash was never really that popular or that full of quality.


*sigh*
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pjbasis | Posted 10/30/2010 10:56:04 AM | message detail
Let's go.

1v1. Pikachu Only. No items. Dream Land
NoDicePwn | Posted 10/30/2010 10:56:58 AM | message detail
what

Well, I never heard of the series till Melee, and at least from reviews, original Smash Bros was significantly lower than the newer games. Maybe it was well known, I dunno.No where near as well known as the newer ones I can guarantee though.


From Wiki: "The original Super Smash Bros., released in 1999 on the Nintendo 64, had a small budget and was originally a Japan-only release, but its domestic success led to a worldwide release"

Nintendo never expected it to be a big success, anyway.
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SnoicFactor | Posted 10/30/2010 10:57:57 AM | message detail
geez.. no mercy is top tier fodder..
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