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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 12:32:25 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #249
Wind Waker's 34-35% on Melee was pretty bad in its own right, let's be fair here. Remember back when that near-doubling was a debated match?


Yeah, but things are a bit different from 2004.

I still like that 34-35% on Melee better than 36-37% on RBY though.
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kinsho3 | Posted 10/30/2010 12:33:33 AM | message detail

From: Hochimihnister | #170
MGS was being drained by another PSX powerhouse known as FFT. But it doesn't matter. Putting up a decent fight against MGS is meaningless. FFX would mass-murder MGS


If you say so, boss
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 10/30/2010 1:14:34 AM | message detail
Let it be known
WIGS CALLED IT


Don't buy into that pokemon hype.
Loss to MM incoming.


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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 1:15:23 AM | message detail
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Achromatic | Posted 10/30/2010 1:17:02 AM | message detail
G/S/C would 8-20 D/P/P.
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Achromatic | Posted 10/30/2010 1:17:07 AM | message detail
80-20*
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NoDicePwn | Posted 10/30/2010 1:26:28 AM | message detail
So lets be serious here... does No Mercy stand a chance later on today?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 1:27:25 AM | message detail
Of course it does. It's facing Fire Emblem.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/30/2010 1:27:57 AM | message detail
For sure. 100% untested and unknown, the both of em.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 10/30/2010 1:30:22 AM | message detail
Fire Emblem's sole statistical point in favor is that its been nominated enough to get in the contest 3 times now (well, technically 2 <_<)
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/30/2010 1:35:20 AM | message detail
I would like to smell what the Rock is cookin actually.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 10/30/2010 1:55:46 AM | message detail
Uh oh... well I'll cling to the hope that there's a huge difference in how people feel about GSC and the newer generations. At least until GSC/Advance Wars, and then I'll start clinging to whatever x-stats I can pull out of that!

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Kotetsu534 | Posted 10/30/2010 2:06:04 AM | message detail
Hmm, this gives Metroid Fusion around 35% on '09 CoD4 (overrated by Pokemon not having its ASV here). That's pretty normal. I guess I was just panicing a little!

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AppreciateTrees | Posted 10/30/2010 2:22:48 AM | message detail
Fusion is probably the most popular Metroid after Super and Prime, so I don't see why this was such a shock.
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creativename | Posted 10/30/2010 3:18:09 AM | message detail
So wait, No Mercy only got a 6 seed because of the Guru? God damnit! If I knew that I would've picked Fire Emblem in my bracket.

Gotta change my battle entry and raise my Oracle now...
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voltch | Posted 10/30/2010 3:39:10 AM | message detail
No Mercy is gonna be relying on the older users of this site so badly.
This is one of those games that is gonna rely so much on nostalgia.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 10/30/2010 4:29:10 AM | message detail
Pokemon isn't doing well.Guess it is weaker than expected?
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/30/2010 4:55:36 AM | message detail
hmmm a wrestling game versus a nintendo strategy rpg with the lead being a popular character from brawl.

hmmm

HMMMMMMMMMMM

thats a toughie.

I think people are trying to make a match out of nothing on this one, Fire Emblem might not be a powerhouse but its no joke either. It beat Silent Hill in the series contest and resisted a doubling by Metal Gear. Path of Radiance was a very good game and well worth its place here, a top 5 GCN game for sure, it should do fine.
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FFDragon | Posted 10/30/2010 4:59:25 AM | message detail

From: __Smurf__ | Posted: 10/30/2010 7:55:36 AM | #268
Fire Emblem might not be a powerhouse but its no joke either.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1629
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 10/30/2010 5:02:47 AM | message detail
Not that polls from '04 are worth much, but didn't FFTA go on to avoid being doubled by FFX?

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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/30/2010 5:03:30 AM | message detail
It's not like Final Fantasy dominated every aspect of every contest in any form or anything in 2004 either, now is it.
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FFDragon | Posted 10/30/2010 5:08:29 AM | message detail
That poll tells me that that "Shoving simultaneously rusted and searing screwdrivers into your eyes" would put up 66% on Fire Emblem.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/30/2010 5:20:07 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1485

to be fair it also tripled a core pokemon game.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/30/2010 5:36:28 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #222
No matter which way you try to slice it, we may be looking at nearly a 10% Oracle underperformance here. That is bad.


... for the Oracles.

No numbers matter except the ones we're seeing coming out of this match. I always thought it was a little egotistical that we blame a game for doing worse than we thought rather than thinking we suck at prediction.
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creativename | Posted 10/30/2010 5:39:32 AM | message detail
Important stuff I've changed my mind on this contest:

* I'd now take Melee>Brawl. Not confidently by any stretch, and the GH2 beatdown means nothing to me. But the leaderboard favoring Melee (and even FFX) by so much makes me question Brawl - it might be an indication bracket makers prefer Melee, and if that's the case the voters probably would too. I think that now that Brawl hype is old, it might not be as strong, whereas Melee has aged well. Brawl may have relied a lot on hype. It was pretty much the most hyped thing ever on this site.

* Uncharted 2. I think Halo will make the division final instead of UC2. I originally had UC2>Sunshine, but I don't think UC2 will beat Halo. It's not even a lock against SF4, although I'd still pick it there.

* Uncertain now about GSC. I have MGS4>GSC in my bracket, now I don't know about it making it there. It could lose to Majora's Mask or the WW/Oblivion winner. If push came to shove I'd still have to pick GSC to win that division, but, not with any confidence whatsoever. We might be making too much of a game from the same franchise doing badly, but this poll definitely raises some red flags. GSC might be weaker than it was last games contest with all the Poke-wagoning.

Thoughts? What things have other people changed their minds on?
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 10/30/2010 5:44:14 AM | message detail
1)I always had Melee winning because when all games on a series are really good people go with the first that came out.

2)Yeah man UC2 sucks.And I have it going very far too!

3)Pokemon G/S/C is the strongest of all Pokemon games in this contest.As I said above when all games on a series are really good people go with the first game that came out.Pokemon G/S/C came out before all others so fans will vote for it.BUT yeah it seems there is still a lot of hate for Pokemon on this site.Too bad B/W doesn't come out in this contest or else it would won the whole thing.
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creativename | Posted 10/30/2010 5:46:30 AM | message detail
Hochi, if you read this - who do you currently think will win the GSC/Majora's Mask match and win the GSC/MM/WW/Oblivion match?


From: Biolizard28 | #1354
No numbers matter except the ones we're seeing coming out of this match. I always thought it was a little egotistical that we blame a game for doing worse than we thought rather than thinking we suck at prediction.


Hello spin controooool :P

If you said this means little because Fusion is pretty unknown, you'd have an argument. You'd also have an argument if you said it doesn't mean much for GSC because that's a different game. But a game underperforming Oracle expectations by 10% is a flop, plain and simple. There's no way this doesn't lower Poke-stock at least slightly, you're just being stubborn if you think that.

If DPP had overperformed by 10%, most of the people defending it would probably be talking up "GSC>MGS4 and FFX confirmed!" And they'd probably have been right because the difference between 55% and 75% is massive and if DPP got that much, that would mean Pokemon was about to whup some ass.
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pjbasis | Posted 10/30/2010 5:48:27 AM | message detail
I do know one thing though.

GTAIV > Fusion and DPP > RSE

Stick a fork in this one
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/30/2010 5:48:52 AM | message detail
If by the chance No Mercy is actually winning later today.


I demand the 1st thing when the next topic starts is a link to Angle or Austin's theme.

1st one/7th one preferable.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/30/2010 6:04:13 AM | message detail
I have no idea why people thought Pokemon was seriously going to double Metroid here. I thought it was going to finish with around 60%, actually, and even that was overshooting!

Yes even though I picked Brawl to win the contest I think Melee will win and I don't have second thoughts on the matter, because of what I outlined earlier: veteran games from '07 and later have been disappointing in this contest with only three exceptions, and I'm outlining them all here:

-Fallout 3, which was against a PS3 exclusive and may have done better than usual thanks to New Vegas's release.
-Street Fighter IV
-Halo 3

And those last two were overwhelming casual favorites to win their matches even though they were not the favorites on the board, so it could be argued that those two fit into the disappointment as well, not to mention SFIV already flopped hard last contest. This doesn't mean anything for Mario Galaxy just because it rolled such a predictable path (but seriously, WTF at being so much weaker than Twilight Princess. That game doesn't deserve being a near-elite at all, too, but to be fair I understand even less why so many people on this board dislike the game) plus GTAIV also belongs in said category, but...

If you assume that Grand Theft Auto III gets 55% on Grand Theft Auto IV, and Pokemon Emerald gets 55% on LittleBigPlanet, who wins by extrapolating that out? It seems like that might very well be the situation.

Also forgot to say this bodes terribly for Persona 4. Loss to Dead Rising confirmed, eep.
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medicority | Posted 10/30/2010 6:14:40 AM | message detail
having played DPP and HGSS I don't get why no one seems to care about DPP. GSC is honestly pretty awful by todays standards, they have done a lot to improve the games.
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/30/2010 6:16:10 AM | message detail
Looking ahead, here are some other iffy spots in the bracket that we have to keep watch on for the sake of my observations:

Mass Effect/Portal/FFXII - Good gracious, looks like lol-worthy FF is going to pull through. Give me a break.

MGS3/MGS4 - MGS4 will likely die down from last time. Quite frankly I feel like voting for MGS2 over MGS4 right now, partly because of influence.

Fallout 3/Half-Life 2/Metroid Prime/God of War - So if Portal sucks it up it actually makes HL2's chances of beating Fallout 3 better? Then again it would also dim HL2's chances of getting out of its division, though to be fair it seems that God of War is a bigger threat than Prime right now.

Other Observations:

-An 8 seed has yet to advance out of the first round. This will likely continue for a good while too, as all the remaining 8 seeds definitely have a chance to lose their matches, though I think MvC2 and Chrono Cross are safe for the moment.
-A 3 seed has yet to break 60%. This won't likely continue for so long but it's tough to see any 3 seeds putting up a doubling. I would think that BioShock would fodderize Battlefront II but there is actually some upset hype being thrown around there.
-There are only two more veteran vs. veteran matches in this round: KH2/Halo 2 and GTA: VC/SH2. Both gimmes.

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Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/30/2010 6:16:21 AM | message detail
You know guys, it's just possible that this is not Pokémon failing, but rather Fusion proving its chops. It's basicallyy untested, and Metroid is always hard to get a read on.

Then again, we need to remember that there's an SFF-"pecking order" if you will. When two games have the same fandom, the fans will vote for the game they prefer. So we need to determine which game that is, and for each fandom there's probably a general order of games from most to least preferred. This tells me that there isn't much preference between DPP and Fusion. Now this does speak poorly of GSC over MM regardless, as chances are, fans of both will pick MM if this match is any indication.

GSC's glimmer of hope though is that MM is the black sheep of the Zelda franchise and while this place loves it, it's very controversial amongst the fandom.

...Of course, so is Metroid Fusion...
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/30/2010 6:18:56 AM | message detail
Fusion is arguably more like Wind Waker than like Majora's Mask, in that the director wanted to take the franchise in the direction he saw fit, which happened to be different from what the fans wanted. In that case Metroid Prime is the Twilight Princess of the franchise, except that it actually makes a run for best game in the series.
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medicority | Posted 10/30/2010 6:21:12 AM | message detail
would zero mission be having more success here?
Lightning Strikes | Posted 10/30/2010 6:23:56 AM | message detail
Yes.

Zero Mission is generally considered the best Metroid game after Prime and Super, and doesn't have the haters other competitors for that title(like Fusion) do.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/30/2010 6:26:31 AM | message detail
GSC's 'glimmer of hope' is that it's going to pound MM into the ground with about 60% of the vote.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3462
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3463
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3486

And guess what happened in that very same contest?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3475

Diamond is not strong. Gold is. We already knew this!

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/30/2010 6:31:10 AM | message detail
Wait, last I checked Fusion was widely considered the best aside from Super/Prime by professional critics.

On other matches, well I had Halo > UC2 from day one because Halo is at least a solid midcarder, while UC2 would probably be a low midcarder.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked at any of the potential paths for GSC, but I do think there's a higher probability of beating FFX than losing to Majora's Mask. There's only so much we can trust in non-classic Pokemon games. This site's favorite handheld games are also widely considered to be the best overall, and they were each mascots of their respective times to boot, then factor in that name value and wowzers. Pokemon in general isn't as big nowadays as it was in the days of RBY/GSC. But wait a minute, where did the Poke-hate come from?
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/30/2010 6:38:19 AM | message detail
I've got Wind Waker > Majora's Mask for my division finals. Think MM will be a bit stronger than people will give it credit for, and I also think WW will be a lot stronger than people will give it credit for. It didn't do that bad in 2004 (yeah, lol 2004 but no reason it couldn't have boosted too) and was stuck behind Melee during 2009, where it still did fine. I think WW has a solid chance of winning the division and impressing against MGS3/4. That game is no Sunshine or DPP.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/30/2010 6:38:45 AM | message detail
Also, A/D: The winner of WWF No Mercy/Fire Emblem PoR will perform worse against DPP than Metroid Fusion.
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tgs2 | Posted 10/30/2010 6:41:44 AM | message detail

From: __Smurf__ | #273
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1485

to be fair it also tripled a core pokemon game.


I honestly don't think FFTA is nowhere near that strength anymore. Could probably still beat Fire Emblem regardless.

Also GTAIV > Galaxy. You know this to be true (My bracket depends on it)! Now if only I could have a poll that could prove my insane theory.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/30/2010 6:44:03 AM | message detail
Definately A.

Dont see either coming even close.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/30/2010 6:49:26 AM | message detail
Agree.

Not that I would've considered it before the contest.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/30/2010 6:52:15 AM | message detail

From: tgs2 | #291
I honestly don't think FFTA is nowhere near that strength anymore. Could probably still beat Fire Emblem regardless.

Also GTAIV > Galaxy. You know this to be true (My bracket depends on it)! Now if only I could have a poll that could prove my insane theory.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3492
It's a start!

But seriously, there is some evidence of Galaxy's weakness.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3475

Like all three games here having underperformed so far. Doesn't sound good for Galaxy!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3728

There's also the GotD poll, where it came in dead last, under even WW, which had to contend with freaking TP. Galaxy was the only Mario game on there, so it didn't really have an excuse to come in last.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3474

GTA4 got 35.77% against Brawl. Don't know if even non-SFFed Galaxy could pull that off! Hell, Galaxy through CoD4 only gets 33.88% on Brawl.

It may not be the favorite, but the potential for GTA4 > Galaxy is certainly there.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 6:53:13 AM | message detail

From: creativename | #277
But a game underperforming Oracle expectations by 10% is a flop, plain and simple


Yeah, on the part of the predictors for either expecting D/P to be strong like G/S/C, Fusion to be weak, or for there to be SFF in this match.

I really don't give a crap if Board 8 mispredicted the match because that happens quite often. I don't know why people think what we think SHOULD happen is indicative of ANYTHING. If this were a Character Battle, I could see this argument because we have a good idea of strength for just about anything that gets into one, but this? We're making educated guesses, sure, but we have a lot less data to work with, so it doesn't really matter.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 6:55:59 AM | message detail
And if D/P/P got 75% in this match, that'd just be SFF, so it wouldn't mean much for G/S/C either.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/30/2010 6:59:19 AM | message detail
Dude, GTAIV's main character was doubled by somebody we thought he could possibly beat last year. Granted part of that was RE characters showing unexpected strength, and TJF may have played a role, but still.

I gave some thought to GTAIV > Galaxy as well but it just doesn't make sense since Galaxy is one of the four most nominated games, plus GTAIV seems to have taken a nosedive. And, uh, Galaxy DID have an excuse in that poll; it somehow gets obliterated anytime Brawl enters.

I don't remember seeing an answer to the question I asked earlier, so here it is: if we were to set GTAIII > GTAIV and RSE > LBP, both with 55% of the vote, who wins between GTAIV and RSE? And how realistic is that situation?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/30/2010 7:01:44 AM | message detail
Niko's horrible performance last Character Battle is really the only thing that gives me pause about GTA IV > R/S/E, because if that carries over to the game, then there's no telling what we'll get out of that.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 10/30/2010 7:14:37 AM | message detail
I wonder if SBAllen deliberately set up Ike against the guru nom again (Ike took on Prinny, and now his main game takes on No Mercy).

I feel very confident about GTAIV > RSE now. I can't imagine RE5 would beat it, so it's got to be capable of getting pretty close to DPP, and even switching from a night match to a day match, I'd expect RSE to be weaker than DPP.

Just noticed it isn't till the 28th match when either a Zelda or Final Fantasy game steps up.

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/30/2010 7:18:30 AM | message detail
For people still wondering what's going to happen in the big match under two hours from now, here's my in-depth analysis for No Mercy/Fire Emblem:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/56948170

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