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pjbasis | Posted 10/29/2010 12:53:44 AM | message detail
So serious discussion about No Mercy and Fire Emblem now?
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AppreciateTrees | Posted 10/29/2010 12:55:43 AM | message detail
So serious discussion about No Mercy and Fire Emblem now?

Good luck with that haha

"No Mercy, because I'm a man!"

"Fire Emblem, because it's Nintendo!"
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pjbasis | Posted 10/29/2010 1:03:43 AM | message detail
Actually, I think that's helpful enough.

No Mercy is probably the only entrant that could possibly benefit from the joke mentality!
And this third tier Fire Emblem game would be the perfect opponent to fall victim to it.

Of course anti joke Pokemon is comin up next so it's doubtful this could steamroll into L-Block proportions.
AppreciateTrees | Posted 10/29/2010 1:11:03 AM | message detail
I wouldn't be surprised at all if No Mercy wins, I'm still going FE: PoR though. It's the most popular game from the FE series, which is a classic series with a pretty loyal following.. That picture of Ike, the most used character from SSBB, looking like a complete badass certainly doesn't make me feel bad either.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/29/2010 3:53:31 AM | message detail
Oh wow Inafune left Capcom

thought I'd just mention it here <_<
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/29/2010 4:20:44 AM | message detail
I'm wondering... what's the last match - any match - we've had that has been as hyped, anticipated, and as big as Melee vs. Brawl?

The 2007 CB finals with L-Block was our most popular match ever, but L-Block only caught fire in the last four days of that contest, not enough time to build the massive anticipation we've got for this one.

This might honestly be the biggest match since FFVII vs. Ocarina in 2004. I bet some would argue that it's even bigger.
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creativename | Posted 10/29/2010 4:48:22 AM | message detail
Looking back on Morrowind/WC3 early posts, it's funny to see people making confident predictions yet again based on geolocation, saying WC3 will win because Europe's influence will wane/it'll have favorable trends because of the California ASV. Wonder when people will stop having so much confidence in geolocation, because it just doesn't work like they usually think. These types of trend predictions have resulted in a lot more forecast misses than hits. I really would've thought people would learn by now, but I guess they never will.

From: PartOfYourWorld | #2006
This might honestly be the biggest match since FFVII vs. Ocarina in 2004. I bet some would argue that it's even bigger.


Only if they like being wrong :)
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creativename | Posted 10/29/2010 4:59:47 AM | message detail
Here's a rundown of the picks on the leaderboard. Stunningly, only two Brawl picks! 8 for Melee and FFX each. Nothing else has more than 4.

Surprisingly high Melee and FFX support. Wonder if this means anything for Brawl vs. Melee? So many people were talking about Melee being the new favorite after it started off close to 90% on GH2 at the start. Of course it finished at "only" 87%, and the fact is Brawl and Melee's positions were switched Brawl would've done at worst what, 1-1.5% worse? Which means at the start of the match it would've like 88% and everybody would be saying stuff like "Brawl wins, Melee make your time!" The only thing that match told us was that GH2 was absolutely worthless.

This leaderboard thing however does make me lean a bit towards Melee (I picked Brawl in my bracket). I don't think it means too much, but I do think it means something. It may just mean the bracket makers have more favoritism towards Melee...but of course if that was true, it would very likely indicate that most voters in general have more favoritism towards Melee.

And Brawl may be under-represented in the leaderboard relative to games like FFX because it was "SFFed" by Melee in terms of people picking it to makes the finals - which means it might get SFFed in the actual match as well.

This is certainly not definitive stuff, but it might not be trivial either.

Final Fantasy X --- 8
Super Smash Bros. Melee --- 8
Half-Life 2 --- 4
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask --- 4
World of Warcraft --- 4
Resident Evil 4 --- 3
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare --- 2
Portal --- 2
Super Mario Galaxy --- 2
Super Smash Bros. Brawl --- 2
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess --- 2
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 --- 1
Diablo II --- 1
Final Fantasy IX --- 1
God of War --- 1
Grand Theft Auto IV --- 1
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas --- 1
Halo 2 --- 1
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater --- 1
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots --- 1
Shadow of the Colossus --- 1
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 10/29/2010 5:03:04 AM | message detail
When the 1st round ends we shall see the serious brackets.Now everything that hasn't Melee,Brawl or FFX is a fun bracket.As for Melee/Brawl when we have the same series match everyone goes with the original except if the sequel is much better and improves which it isn't in this occasion.That is why most have KH1>KH2,Halo1>Halo3.Now for MGS3 vs MGS4...I went with 4 but I believe 3 shall win.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/29/2010 6:13:39 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #406
This might honestly be the biggest match since FFVII vs. Ocarina in 2004. I bet some would argue that it's even bigger.


That's nonsense. The only reason Melee/Brawl means ANYTHING is because FFVII and OoT aren't in the bracket.

The Snake/Sephiroth hypewagon was pretty big last year though.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/29/2010 6:16:11 AM | message detail
Well, let me rephrase that. I shouldn't say it doesn't mean ANYTHING, but it only means as much as it does because FFVII and OoT aren't in the bracket. The winner of Melee/Brawl has at least a 50% shot of winning the contest (depending on who you ask), but FFVII and OoT being in the contest would kill a bit of that hype. Of course, Board 8 would still care anyway because it's Melee vs. Brawl, but the fact that FFVII and OoT aren't here makes it even bigger.

Like, Snake vs. Sephiroth would've been an ENORMOUS match last year if Link and Cloud weren't in the bracket.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/29/2010 6:20:29 AM | message detail
Nah, Melee/Brawl is an important match, but it feels way more like Mario/Samus, where a vocal few are confident in what seems like the stronger stats game (Melee) beating what will logically win the match (Brawl).
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/29/2010 6:26:06 AM | message detail
Match XX: (4) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare vs. (13) Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time

Information

Name: Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Year: 2007
Previous Performance: SpC2k9 – 4th in round 3

Name: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Year: 2003
Previous Performance: N/A

Analysis

I was disappointed that the Call of Duty games were given such predictable paths as they could have had a wide range this contest. For Call of Duty 4 it’s going to be two wins then get smashed by Melee. I was quite surprised that a Prince of Persia game made it and was happy that my favourite one made it in.

I don’t trust that Prince of Persia will have that much strength, especially after watching all the other untested action games fail to perform up to expectations. There haven’t been too many polls about Prince of Persia, mostly GotY polls where it didn’t embarrass itself, but at the same time it was crushed by the major games of 2003. Though one thing to watch out for is that action game characters tend to perform a lot better than their games and Prince of Persia isn’t exactly that strong.

Action and FPS games are probably some of the least loved games on GameFAQs, but Modern Warfare is pretty highly rated even on GameFAQs while Prince of Persia is just another action game. Given Prince of Persia’s performance in the character battle the game will probably be fairly weak and I think Modern Warfare has a great chance at breaking 70% here.

charmander6000’s Bracket: CoD4: Modern Warfare > Prince of Persia: SoT

charmander6000’s Prediction: Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare wins, 70.09% - 29.91%

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charmander6000 | Posted 10/29/2010 6:27:40 AM | message detail
Nah, Melee/Brawl is an important match, but it feels way more like Mario/Samus, where a vocal few are confident in what seems like the stronger stats game (Melee) beating what will logically win the match (Brawl).

Pretty sure Brawl is ranked higher in the stats.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/29/2010 6:29:33 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #414
Nah, Melee/Brawl is an important match, but it feels way more like Mario/Samus, where a vocal few are confident in what seems like the stronger stats game (Melee) beating what will logically win the match (Brawl).

Pretty sure Brawl is ranked higher in the stats.


The 2009 Games Contest stats are pretty useless anyway, especially since nearly all of our top games benefited or suffered from LFF in one way or another.

Brawl held up to OoT better than Melee did. That's all we can say, but there's no telling if that really means anything.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/29/2010 6:34:54 AM | message detail
Brawl still did better based on the stats, whether they're right or not is the question. I just find it ridiculous for anyone to say that Melee did better in the stats
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/29/2010 6:35:51 AM | message detail
Well, yeah, it's pretty ridiculous, but it's BT. It's not like this is unexpected.
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Advokaiser | Posted 10/29/2010 7:41:46 AM | message detail
So... I'm up.

Anyone else got Morrowind right?

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/29/2010 7:45:15 AM | message detail
Yes I did.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/29/2010 7:57:27 AM | message detail
I think SSBM/SSBB's the biggest match since Mario/Samus, and the similarities are definitely there. Clinkeroth/LoZ:OoT-and-FF7 are out of the main bracket, two major Nintendo-favorites, winner arguably decides the rest of the bracket, few people are confident either way but the majority reluctantly sides with the one who did better on Nintendo's #1...I mean, it fits pretty damn well.

This comparison favors SSBM, but then again, this comparison doesn't mean much outside of just looking at it on the surface either.
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Advokaiser | Posted 10/29/2010 8:01:38 AM | message detail
The only things I can say for certain about Melee/Brawl are:

-Brawl is more popular.
-Melee is more universally loved.

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Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/29/2010 8:03:17 AM | message detail
I'll wait to see how much of a presence Snake has in Brawl's pics for that match.
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Bigwig_rah | Posted 10/29/2010 8:04:51 AM | message detail
Melee isn't more universally loved. The group that cares about playing No Items, Falco Only, Final Destination is just very vocal, but very small as well.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/29/2010 8:13:04 AM | message detail
I've loved No Items/Final Destination long before it was ever cool or people knew it was such a great tourney-game, but yeah, I know people like me are an uncommon ilk...and I've never gone to a SSBM-tourney either, so tournament-goers are going to be even smaller.

Been to a SSBB-tourney once though -- pretty fun.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 10/29/2010 8:15:49 AM | message detail

From: Bigwig_rah | #423
Melee isn't more universally loved. The group that cares about playing No Items, Falco Only, Final Destination is just very vocal, but very small as well.


I'm not in that group, and I love Melee because it's basically better than Brawl in all but a few ways. Brawl's single player is by far the worst in a Smash game and that hurts it a lot. The online play being absolute RUBBISH also doesn't help.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/29/2010 8:17:14 AM | message detail
I don't think I could handle competitive Smash (or competitive gaming in general). People there are way too serious and butthurt about the smallest things that it would drive me crazy. If you aren't playing games to primarily have fun, there's no point in playing at all.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 10/29/2010 8:18:56 AM | message detail
Oh my god I can't believe how confident some of you Brawl guys are.

The day that the rightful game of the decade TEABAGS that disappointing crap pile will be one of the best days in the history of this site.
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The Real Truth | Posted 10/29/2010 8:19:22 AM | message detail
I know I've never seen this Bigwig guy so I shouldn't even be replying to him but I will anyway. Why do people keep using that argument? Like every person that prefers Melee is the type of person that goes to tournaments? I've never been to a tournament, and I absolutely hated Brawl. Everybody I knee that played Melee played Brawl for 6 months tops when it came out. Now I honestly don't know anybody that plays Brawl.

Not being competitive is fine, there's a fine line between competition and stupid **** that gets in your way all the time. What the hell is with New Pork City? Tripping? Banana's? Like 2 characters can't make it back if they're still on the screen, and everyone else can, even if you knock them all the way to the edge of the screen. The game is ridiculously easy, boring, and slow.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 10/29/2010 8:20:00 AM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #426
I don't think I could handle competitive Smash (or competitive gaming in general). People there are way too serious and butthurt about the smallest things that it would drive me crazy. If you aren't playing games to primarily have fun, there's no point in playing at all.


I'm sorry, I have fun winning. I mean, there are plenty of laughs to be had dicking around in Brawl, but at the end of the day, multiplayer games come down to competition, and they sought to take out the competition aspect all together with Brawl. Just look at how the items are. Look at tripping. Total rubbish.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/29/2010 8:22:56 AM | message detail
Wait what? Brawl has the best singleplayer in the series, though maybe not TOO much better than Melee and again it's not nearly enough to hold the game. It's just...decent.

We could look at the Subspace Emissary and say that it's awfully uninspired, but is it REALLY worse than slogging through Melee's Adventure mode 25 times? And I'd say Brawl's All-Star mode is better solely because of that one fixed glitch, and that Brawl's Classic mode is better because it's more random and more challenging.

I'm not saying that Brawl destroys Melee; that is so far from the truth it isn't even funny. I can understand Melee >> Brawl, but not somebody saying that the former is one of the best games ever and the latter is trash. Seriously, what?
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The Real Truth | Posted 10/29/2010 8:24:48 AM | message detail
Yeah the problem with Brawl is that the creator intentionally tried to make it so the game wasn't competitive. Like he wanted to not give people a choice or something.
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The Real Truth | Posted 10/29/2010 8:25:47 AM | message detail
Subspace Emissary is an abomination. They didn't use creatures from the various worlds, like goombas, etc. WTF were we fighting in that game?
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2010 8:30:11 AM | message detail
I was quite surprised to see Brawl as the board's favourite to win this in truth, I'm not sure what its based on since most of the reception I've seen from the game has been negative and its got an extremely large anti-voting fanbase, no denying.
Its sole 1v1 match that I can see was in a GOTY poll against MGS4 and I'm sorry but you're not going to be winning contests with 52% on a metal gear game.

Maybe I'm underestimating the impact or fanbase of Brawl but bar the initial hype and excitement interest in it seemed to die off quickly while Melee lingered around for the entirety of the gamecube.

Gut feeling is Melee will beat brawl, but then a lot of other things would beat brawl too.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/29/2010 8:33:09 AM | message detail
"I mean, there are plenty of laughs to be had dicking around in Brawl, but at the end of the day, multiplayer games come down to competition, and they sought to take out the competition aspect all together with Brawl. Just look at how the items are. Look at tripping. Total rubbish."

It's a party game, much like every other multiplayer title Nintendo make (Mario Kart, Mario Party, Wii Spots, Starfox). They aren't meant to be taken mega seriously, people made more of Melee than they were ever intended to.

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The Real Truth | Posted 10/29/2010 8:33:40 AM | message detail
While I agree with most of your post, what exactly are a lot of other things? FF7, OoT, Melee, and FFX?
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/29/2010 8:34:09 AM | message detail
Alternatively, as somebody who got every SSB-game nearly immediately after launch, I never touched SSBM after I got SSBB until my room-mate moved off and took his Wii. The gameplay's tighter and I enjoy the speed more, plus I don't try defending New Pork City, but everything else about the game is significantly bigger and 95% of it is better. SSBM can have the better single-player mode -- SSB's never been known for its single-player. SSBM die-hards can have their glitchy-looking wave-dashes -- I'd rather make it rain meteors and grenades after grabbing a Final Smash. I love the faster characters like Sheik from SSBM, but at least bigger fighters are generally worth a damn in SSBB now.

There's also nothing cooler than scissor-kicking *****es to their death-beds with Solid Snake.


As a long-time fan of the series, just take out tripping and bump up the speed a little bit like SSBM did (doesn't even have to be THAT fast) -- it'll be everything I ever wanted from that series. Until then though, while I've been enjoying going back to SSBM, I can't wait to play SSBB again.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/29/2010 8:37:23 AM | message detail
Didn't FFX get 52% on the same MGS-game? This is also ignoring how badly SSBB whipped its ass in BGE2 when it wasn't LFF'd/SFF'd and how close it got to MGS4 despite LoZ:TP and LoZ:OoT in its other polls.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/29/2010 8:41:22 AM | message detail
Reading this topic makes me want to play Brawl again.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 10/29/2010 8:41:48 AM | message detail

From: __Smurf__ | #434
"I mean, there are plenty of laughs to be had dicking around in Brawl, but at the end of the day, multiplayer games come down to competition, and they sought to take out the competition aspect all together with Brawl. Just look at how the items are. Look at tripping. Total rubbish."

It's a party game, much like every other multiplayer title Nintendo make (Mario Kart, Mario Party, Wii Spots, Starfox). They aren't meant to be taken mega seriously, people made more of Melee than they were ever intended to.


That's just it. With Melee you could do both, but once Sakurai got his hands on it, he took away the choice, which is what most of us hate about it.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 10/29/2010 8:45:02 AM | message detail
Also the difficulty in unlocking the new characters/stages was something that kept me going back to Melee.

You could get all the characters in like 10 hours with SSE in Brawl. I hated it.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/29/2010 8:45:42 AM | message detail
It's not like there are Blue Shells every thirty seconds in SSBB, where only the leader suffers. You occasionally have to tap any direction convenient for you, which also happens to your opponent at the same rate. If you're already playing with items off, this isn't a major deal-breaker. Stupid and annoying the one time it hits you out of every one hundred times you try dashing, sure, but I can't recall a time it ever cost me a match or gave me the win.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/29/2010 8:51:07 AM | message detail
FFVII/OOT is the biggest match since FFVII/OOT 2004. Cloud/Snake in the semifinals was pretty big too, although the match ended up not being close, and was only heavily hyped for a few days.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/29/2010 8:52:08 AM | message detail
Well it's in similar manner to Super Mario Kart being more hardcore than its sequels I guess.

Even though I picked Brawl to win the contest (it just makes so much sense for this site...), I think Melee will win that match now, just because it's more influential. Melee vs. Brawl, when it comes to most "Best Game Ever" lists I've seen, boils down more to influence vs. culmination instead of competitive play vs. no competitive play. I mean I saw Screwattack's "Best Local Multiplayer Console Titles" list, and Melee beat Brawl because they said Brawl wasn't much different, not because they said it couldn't be played competitively. Also Brawl has higher critical acclaim because the professional critics who gave Melee low scores gave Brawl high scores (for example Edge Magazine gave Melee a 6/10 and Brawl a 9/10); however I think Edge stated the bigger case against Melee was that "It was more reproduction than evolution" and some other sites criticized Melee for being too fast. That latter one is one of the few reasons I prefer Brawl.

I'm just astonished that Melee vs. Brawl for hardcore Smash fans is so much different from Melee vs. Brawl for professional game critics.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/29/2010 8:57:41 AM | message detail
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Thethhhron | Posted 10/29/2010 8:59:43 AM | message detail
I like Brawl and Melee. Brawl nerfed a bunch of characters but the single-player had a story and there were lots of unlockables besides trophies. Melee had a faster speed (which I LIKED) and the characters were more even. Brawl had online matches, even if the wi-fi isn't that great. Both are great games.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/29/2010 9:00:11 AM | message detail
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 80%

4
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 20%

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TOTAL VOTES 5
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/29/2010 9:00:18 AM | message detail
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 66.67%

4
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 33.33%

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TOTAL VOTES 6

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GrapefruitKing | Posted 10/29/2010 9:00:46 AM | message detail
well, at least PoP isn't getting completely destroyed
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/29/2010 9:01:02 AM | message detail
Just stay under that tripling Prince!
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/29/2010 9:01:39 AM | message detail
Hey, maybe the Prince can stay under the doubling! Hope, hope!
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