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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 927
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/24/2010 6:10:58 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #099 spin spin spin Prime generally outdid expectations. DMC3 does abysmally. I'm still deluded for thinking Prime is in rebound mode, apparently. How many people still think DKC2 takes DKC in a match? --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
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ZFS | Posted 10/24/2010 6:12:10 PM | message detail |
Do you take MGS2 over MGS3? Because the former sold millions more than the latter, and made a much bigger splash. --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 6:13:25 PM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #101 I don't, but that's a different situation. This isn't something that applies across the board. I mean, we think LttP beats Zelda 1, right? And Mario 3 beats Mario 1? And Sonic 1 wouldn't beat Sonic 2 or S&K, regardless of what the last contest stats say. DMC3 > DMC1 spin spin spin It's really got nothing to do with "expectations" as much as DMC3 isn't weak enough to have a relatively close match with Star Ocean. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 6:15:40 PM | message detail |
Also,
our expectations mean pretty much nothing as far as this contest is
concerned because we're dealing with a ton of unknowns here. Our
expectations are often off, for one reason or another. Whether Prime
exceeded expectations or DMC3 didn't really has no bearing on anything
because our expectations aren't really the gauge of strength here. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/24/2010 6:16:48 PM | message detail |
DMC1/3 has more in common with DKC than it does with MGS2/3. Devil May Cry started an exciting, brand new series and is generally viewed very favorably by fans. This is Donkey Kong Country. Devil May Cry 3 is the smaller sequel. Most hardcore fans agree that it is objectively the better game, but it sold less and had a much smaller impact upon release. This is Diddy's Kong Quest. MGS2 was the game that didn't live up to expectations for much of the fanbase. MGS3 was the redeemer. Hell, MGS2/3 are probably more comparable to DMC2/3, although obviously much stronger. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
ZFS | Posted 10/24/2010 6:20:14 PM | message detail |
DMC1's
fan reaction, as it stands today, is totally mixed, though slightly
favorable. No one looks at the Devil May Cry series and wishes it would
reach the level set by DMC1, everyone wants another DMC3. That's the
bar for the series, that's the game that anyone who considers
themselves a fan (not a hardcore fan, but a fan) loves the most. I
think you're not as in tune with the fanbase, and have preference for
the original since it's the only one you've played, so it seems that
the original is where everyone goes -- but it's not. Dante's not loved
because of DMC1, the series isn't liked because of DMC1, the actual
sales difference in the US between DMC1 and DMC3 is around 400k. If
your argument in sales, it's not a good one. --- A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 6:22:01 PM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #105 DKC1 is still considered to be a great game by fans of the series. It's not like the disparity between the two is huge or anything. DKC2 is one of my favorite games ever, and I knew it'd be weaker than DKC1 last contest before we ever saw it in action. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/24/2010 6:23:57 PM | message detail |
Well
yeah, I obviously can't use the hardcore fanbase as an argument, but
I'm still confident that DMC will emerge as at least a challenger to 3
indirectly. Call it a hunch. I'm siding with the series-starter on this
one. Might be a terrible example (although SOMEONE just compared DMC3 to LttP and Mario 3), but Mario Galaxy would wipe the sequel so hard, and Galaxy 2 is generally considered the objectively superior game by the fanbase. It has also sold millions. --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
NoDicePwn | Posted 10/24/2010 6:24:04 PM | message detail |
Theres
people who think DMC3 > DMC1? What is this all about? DMC 3 may be
better if you look at just the pure quality... but the impact of
playing DMC1 was so much greater since we had never seen an extreme
action game like that before, while DMC3 was just more of the same. --- http://i56.tinypic.com/o5thna.jpg http://i51.tinypic.com/33kbvba.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 10/24/2010 6:24:52 PM | message detail |
And,
as far as this contest is concerned, DMC3 got in with no problem while
DMC had to get in through the vote in. Even then, it got beat solidly
by Assassin's Creed. DMC3 and DMC1 won't be two separate tiers of
strength -- and DMC3, even with its performance today, is almost
certainly the more popular game. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 6:25:29 PM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #108 Well, you're using the "It's the original, so that gives it the edge" argument, which is pretty easy to debunk. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 6:26:24 PM | message detail |
Also,
to me, Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2 are basically the same game. I wouldn't
really put one over the other. I wouldn't even know who I'd vote for if
they had a match. --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 10/24/2010 6:28:47 PM | message detail |
Might
be a terrible example (although SOMEONE just compared DMC3 to LttP and
Mario 3), but Mario Galaxy would wipe the sequel so hard, and Galaxy 2
is generally considered the objectively superior game by the fanbase.
It has also sold millions. There's a lot more reasons for that than "originality." Galaxy 2 came and went without a word, people played but no one talks about it. That's not at all similar to DMC1 and DMC3. DMC1, in this case, would be the Galaxy 2 to DMC3's Galaxy. I'm really not sure where you got this strange idea that DMC3 is the "hardcore" fans only, because that's absolutely not the case. --- A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step. |
SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/24/2010 6:30:07 PM | message detail |
Picking against my bracket with my battle pick for the first time tonight. Demon's Souls is gonna beat MM9 and I will have to be like "yes KP, yes Leon, you were right I was wrong ugh" --- http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/yungflyerz/67106910.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 10/24/2010 6:30:20 PM | message detail |
Although
the best thing to do is probably just wait for the KOTOR match, because
that one will probably illustrate just how weak DMC is here. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/24/2010 6:31:22 PM | message detail |
Also
I don't know how in tune I am with the DMC fanbase, but I definitely
don't see this huge disparity between the two when it comes to fan
favorites. Either way KOTOR is gonna stomp DMC later on. --- http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/yungflyerz/67106910.jpg |
SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/24/2010 6:31:39 PM | message detail |
argh missed the STP. --- http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/yungflyerz/67106910.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 6:32:28 PM | message detail |
I mean, there aren't very many instances we know of where the original is
the strongest game, and even then, it's usually considered the best (or
at least close) by the fanbase anyway (MGS1, Super Mario Kart maybe,
Chrono Trigger, RBY, Halo 1 maybe, Kingdom Hearts 1 maybe). Seriously, the options of "The original is best" are pretty limited. --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
NoDicePwn | Posted 10/24/2010 6:32:42 PM | message detail |
Also
after seeing todays match, I'm pretty sure I would take Assassins Creed
over DMC3, so having Assassins Creed beat DMC1 isn't really that
horrible, you know. --- http://i56.tinypic.com/o5thna.jpg http://i51.tinypic.com/33kbvba.jpg |
SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/24/2010 6:32:50 PM | message detail |
Also Dante was a mid-carder(about the same strength he is now) back in 03 before he had DMC3 to his credit, I'm fairly certain. --- http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/yungflyerz/67106910.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 6:33:22 PM | message detail |
But yeah, KOTOR was gonna beat DMC1 anyway. I'm not sure why that match was even in question. Still, it's more questionable than the few people who said something about KOTOR > FFIX. --- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX! http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 10/24/2010 6:34:40 PM | message detail |
Dante went from 46% to 50% on Ryu. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 6/8 Today's Matches: MP & DMC3 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 6:34:53 PM | message detail |
From: SecksThaNemesis | #120 Nah, he's stronger now. He went from 38% on Sonic in 2004 to 46% on Vincent in 2005. Got doubled by Crono in the first contest, too. --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 10/24/2010 6:35:34 PM | message detail |
I'm
pretty sure I would take Assassins Creed over DMC3, so having Assassins
Creed beat DMC1 isn't really that horrible, you know. Never said otherwise. My argument isn't that DMC3 is noteworthy and DMC1 isn't, it's that DMC3 is weak and its probably the best representative for the series. I mean, this isn't really news -- we all knew DMC was a weak series, its shown that time and again in numerous polls here. The people voting for it aren't exactly the "casuals." --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
charmander6000 | Posted 10/24/2010 6:40:08 PM | message detail |
we all knew DMC was a weak series, its shown that time and again in numerous polls here. While I agree with you the only decent poll we have was the series contest. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 6/8 Today's Matches: MP & DMC3 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 6:40:46 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #125 It got rocked in the Capcom series polls, too, which didn't really give us much hope of it being strong either. --- http://i.imgur.com/CbfFb.jpg |
SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/24/2010 6:46:30 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #123 He's not all that much stronger. I'm not seeing this "DMC3 is the game that people like Dante for" logic. I mean I'm not going to argue that Dante and DMC aren't weak here, but the original is still the game that people love Dante for. --- http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/yungflyerz/67106910.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 10/24/2010 6:51:32 PM | message detail |
Yeah
Sonic was a lot stronger in 2004 while Vincent was arguably weaker in
2005. Dante got the expected boost for having a second game (DMC2
doesn't exist), but it wasn't something like Gordon Freeman. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 6/8 Today's Matches: MP & DMC3 |
ZFS | Posted 10/24/2010 6:51:42 PM | message detail |
Dante
love is definitely from DMC3. If he still only had DMC1, I know he
wouldn't be one of my favorite characters, and I'm sure that would
apply for many others as well. While I agree with you the only decent poll we have was the series contest. Eh, I think any poll with DMC in it is telling enough. There's really not one poll where it does even decently. Well, actually - http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1926 DMC3 > PSP confirmed! --- A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 6:52:02 PM | message detail |
From: SecksThaNemesis | #127 Dante with just DMC1: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=977 Dante with DMC3: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2108 That's a decent difference to me. --- Support Otacon (Metal Gear Solid) for Character Battle IX! http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1950/banner4otacon.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 6:53:02 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #128 What? No, he wasn't. He still got rocked by Samus and gave up 45% to Ryu. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/24/2010 7:03:16 PM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #092 This is incredibly off base. DMC3 & DMC3 Dante are widely preferred among *everyone*, not just the hardcore fanbase. I think the original could still be the strongest simply because we saw the same thing in the Games Contest with Sonic 1/2/3 and DCK1/2. But if it is, it'll be because of 'started the series' respect, not what people actually prefer. --- DFF |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/24/2010 7:05:12 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #132 That's what I'm thinking. And is DMC3 Dante honestly better? He sounds like such a dweeb. It's almost like replacing David Hayter with a Backstreet Boy. At that point, it really doesn't matter how many impalements you ignore while eating pizza. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
ZFS | Posted 10/24/2010 7:06:27 PM | message detail |
DMC3 Dante is worlds better. No idea why you prefer the voice actor in DMC1 either -- everything about that is awful! --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/24/2010 7:07:23 PM | message detail |
DMC3>>>>>DMC1 Dante. Not even close. And yeah, 3's voice actor is way better too. --- DFF |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/24/2010 7:07:30 PM | message detail |
Oh no, I'm gonna miss the MM9/DS start. This is what I get. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/24/2010 7:07:54 PM | message detail |
HOW LONG ARE YOU GONNA KEEP ZAPPING MUNDAS!? --- The 3DS will be $200 or I'm closing my account - Ngamer64 |
NoDicePwn | Posted 10/24/2010 7:09:13 PM | message detail |
But if it is, it'll be because of 'started the series' respect, not what people actually prefer. Exactly why Halo 1 will be stronger than Halo 3, and I would expect the same with DMC1. Like I said earlier, DMC1 was a breakthrough title that essentially created the extreme action game genre that many games have gone since, including God of War, Ninja Gaiden, God Hand, Bayonetta, Heavenly Sword, etc. What did DMC3 do that made it so much better to overcome the lack of impact it made? It was a good game, sure... but no where near as impactful on the industry, and especially when it comes to "Game of the Decade", impact on the industry far outweighs a game thats just more of the same, just better. --- http://i56.tinypic.com/o5thna.jpg http://i51.tinypic.com/33kbvba.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 7:09:49 PM | message detail |
Do people really vote based on "impact?" Man. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/24/2010 7:10:28 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #139 People vote based on anything. Look at today's match. --- DFF |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 7:12:04 PM | message detail |
I'd
understand voting on "Hey, this is that game that the guy from Smash
Bros. Brawl is in, at least I think I remember reading that on the
trophy description" more than "Well, DMC3 is a better game, but DMC1
was a more meaningful game, so..." --- Support Otacon (Metal Gear Solid) for Character Battle IX! http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1950/banner4otacon.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 10/24/2010 7:12:08 PM | message detail |
The
difference in quality between DMC1 and DMC3 is enormous. People
recognize large leaps from one game to another, which is why DMC3 is so
widely preferred. Again, DMC3 is considered the peak of the action genre
even today. DMC1, at its best, is considered a "good game." I'm pretty
surprised people really believe DMC1 would be the stronger game, I was
under the impression everyone considered DMC3 the most popular game in
the series. --- There are no foreign lands. It is the traveler only who is foreign. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 10/24/2010 7:12:21 PM | message detail |
Do people really vote based on "impact?" DMC1 was something that was amazingly new and fresh to me at the time, and I fell in love with it. By the time DMC3 had come out, the game wasn't as big of an impact to me since I had already played it before, thus I preferred DMC1 since it left more of an impression on me. --- http://i56.tinypic.com/o5thna.jpg http://i51.tinypic.com/33kbvba.jpg |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/24/2010 7:14:00 PM | message detail |
That's
why I fear GTA3 would beat SA. San Andreas is far superior, but GTA3's
impact on gaming and pop culture at large simply can't be duplicated by
its sequels. --- Around here, I'm the father, the son, and the Holy ****ing Spirit all rolled into one - Red Crow |
NoDicePwn | Posted 10/24/2010 7:15:20 PM | message detail |
And I hate to break out Gamerankings, but... DMC1: http://www.gamerankings.com/ps2/445101-devil-may-cry/index.html DMC3: http://www.gamerankings.com/ps2/920607-devil-may-cry-3-dantes-awakening/index.html By the time DMC3 came out, that kind of gameplay was no longer something that was "New and fresh", so it didn't have as much of an impact on people, and shown with reviews. DMC1 was just amazing for the time and people had never seen nothing like it, so the reviews are much much better. --- http://i56.tinypic.com/o5thna.jpg http://i51.tinypic.com/33kbvba.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/24/2010 7:16:15 PM | message detail |
From: NoDicePwn | #145 Don't lie. --- Support Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers) for Character Battle IX! http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9302/banner5morrigan2.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 10/24/2010 7:16:17 PM | message detail |
GTA3 won't defeat SA. Even among the hardcore people are split on that. --- BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls GotD Bracket: 6/8 Today's Matches: MP & DMC3 |
ZFS | Posted 10/24/2010 7:16:34 PM | message detail |
Man, hope you people have Melee over Brawl with confidence, because there's no way the latter has a shot if importance is the key factor in matches! RE4 should wreck FFX while we're at it! --- The whole object of travel is not to set foot on foreign land; it is at last to set foot on one's own country as a foreign land. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/24/2010 7:16:36 PM | message detail |
Gamerankings? Really? Compare MGS2 to 3 on gamerankings. --- DFF |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/24/2010 7:16:46 PM | message detail |
Oh dear, Albion and his reviews again. --- "You brought your *****, to the waffle hut?" |
