GameFAQs Contests

Cult fans don't leave GameFAQs. Casual people leave GameFAQs. Cult fans stick around. That's the point.

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DFF

And even if you disagree with that, everything else I said is still true.

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DFF

From: Nomchan | #198
learn 2 pokemon

...Did you just tell the admittingly biggest Charizard fanboy of all time to "learn 2 pokemon"?

Thats like telling me to learn how to drink Kool-Aid. I got that **** on lock, dude.
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The only cult game that did well (cult by GameFAQs standards) is Deus Ex, and that's pretty obviously because of Rock Band 2 being hated/really really weak. Take out rallying and Team Fortress 2 loses easily Fable, and that's only working against ToS against Half-Life 2.

Of course, if you're arguing that God of War could beat Half-Life 2 during the day, then there's no reason to believe San Andreas couldn't at least come close to the same, and based on how Prime did against Vice City and Vice City assuredly being stronger than San Andreas then ToS > Half-Life 2 does not imply ToS > Prime, especially since who knows how ToS would deal with running head-first into a major Gamecube title.
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Fable is cult. Legend of Dragoon is cult.

GoW wouldn't beat HL2 in the day. It's day vote isn't as good as ToS', and it isn't as strong. San Andreas wouldn't come close; it was a comfortable last place in its poll. ToS>Prime because HL2>Prime easy.

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DFF

Yeah, maybe it's true in your circle of friends or among the very hardcore crowd, but is not anywhere near close to everyone else.

Uh, no. Go lurk Serebii or Bulbapedia or something.
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Cult fans don't leave GameFAQs. Casual people leave GameFAQs. Cult fans stick around. That's the point.

Cult GameFAQs fans don't leave GameFAQs what they're fans of is unknown (probably stuff like Final Fantasy).

Also calling ToS cult on GameFAQs is pretty stretching it, the game does have decent strength and is liked by a lot of people.
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BOP Results: http://charmander6000.webs.com/GotD%20BOP.xls
GotD Bracket: 3/4 Today's Matches: Uncharted 2 & SA2

Man, the amount of intensity this contest is getting is quite unprecedented! Actually, I think start of the Fall 2007 Contest was comparable. Still, we have great potential with tomorrow's matches, as well.

I was really hoping SFIV would win by more to secure its victory next round (assuming it hangs on today...it should), but.... well, there's still hope! After all, Street Fighter gets to do a night match against Uncharted. Now, SFIV doesn't seem to be losing much with the ASV here, suggesting. However, if you look at SFIV's first contest poll, it lost much more percentage than GTAIV during the day and lost almost as much as Persona 4; so, maybe Sonic Adventure isn't a daylight-dependent game like Sonic is, or even the old games. At least, that's what I hope.... I could easily be wrong. maybe we'll find that SFIV is not a night owl at this time in this context.

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Fable is cult.


I think you're stretching the word "cult" here.
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What is your definition of comfortable last? Because San Andreas got a measly, pathetic 48.5% on God of War.

If San Andreas is as weak as you say it is, then by no means is ToS > Prime a lock even if ToS beats Half-Life 2.
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As for your other points, sure they're valid, but you could say the same about other games too.
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GotD Bracket: 3/4 Today's Matches: Uncharted 2 & SA2

Cultish. Are we really going to argue semantics?

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DFF

A game that sold > 2 million doesn't strike me as cultish, even.
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From: WarThaNemesis2 | #210
What is your definition of comfortable last? Because San Andreas got a measly, pathetic 48.5% on God of War.

If San Andreas is as weak as you say it is, then by no means is ToS > Prime a lock even if ToS beats Half-Life 2.

San Andreas is in the zone where it's strong enough not to be bad, but weak enough not to be a threat. I might take ToS or GoW over HL2, I would never take San Andreas.

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DFF

From: MoogleKupo141 | #213
A game that sold > 2 million doesn't strike me as cultish, even.

Deus Ex sold at least a million, and it's definitely cult on GameFAQs.

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DFF

San Andreas is in the zone where it's strong enough not to be bad, but weak enough not to be a threat. I might take ToS or GoW over HL2, I would never take San Andreas.

That's pretty bold.

Or stubborn, any slight PS2 LFF between GoW and SA puts the game that much closer to ToS.
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GotD Bracket: 3/4 Today's Matches: Uncharted 2 & SA2

I've already said my stance on system LFF.

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DFF

Still 48.5%, that means your confident in what pretty much would be a 51/49 match.
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GotD Bracket: 3/4 Today's Matches: Uncharted 2 & SA2

I stated the possibility that ToS could beat HL2 with the benefit of lower votals, in a day match which favors it. HL2 indirectly probably doesn't have any trouble with any of these games.

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DFF

HL2's day vote isn't that bad and ToS's day vote isn't that good for ToS to win in a day match while HL2 easily wins in a "normal" match to not consider SA.
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GotD Bracket: 3/4 Today's Matches: Uncharted 2 & SA2

when we talk sales....we talking sales in america or worldwide...I keep forgetting.
that Deus Ex million was worldwide right?
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The Fable series has sold like six million copies over two games. Each Fable has outsold KotOR. Just because it's weak on GameFAQs doesn't mean it's cult or cultish. It's easily the Xbox's biggest non-shooter series, too.
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is there any conclusive proof (ie: contest matches) that says that multiple 'cult' games would benefit from lower vote totals?
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xyzzy

The original Fable isn't cult but it's not mainstream blockbuster like Fable II was. I'm really surprised Fable II didn't make this contest.
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Fable 1 is bigger than 2. Fable 1 had an incredible amount of hype behind it. Fable 2 was a lot sketchier because of how Fable 1 turned out.
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xyzzy

Yeah, we're stretching the definition of "cult" a little thin if we're going to include Fable in the discussion. You stop being a "cult" game when you're a multi-million seller.

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I just don't like this mentality that Nintendo can do no wrong, right after we see them do wrong. Prime and Galaxy put on pitiful performances and you still see people taking them left and right. That would be bad enough, but Sunshine?

I wasn't burned by either Prime or Galaxy, and no one here has been burned by Sunshine, because it's never been in a contest before. I don't get the comparison to FFIX and Wind Waker either- both of those would eviscerate Halo 3.
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Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest.

From: transients | #223
is there any conclusive proof (ie: contest matches) that says that multiple 'cult' games would benefit from lower vote totals?

I don't really think so. It's just a popular theory and has been for a long time. Lower vote totals don't change trends.
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like, if that's the case, why aren't people talking about SOTC over MGS2? Okami over Metroid Prime? Phoenix Wright over Mario Kart Wii?
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xyzzy

I mean, whether the vote totals were low or high, character strengths didn't really fluctuate much over the years, at least not without good reason. Tales of Symphonia isn't going to suddenly be favored to win because vote totals are lower. We've also had this idea that cult characters are less transitive because their fans are hardcore or something, and that hasn't held true either.
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Let's look at the results so far. Low votals all around. Cult stuff doing well. That's the kind of contest setting that's going to benefit ToS. Then you look at it's path...RE5 isn't stopping it. GoW in a night match might not be as bad as we though; with the decreased votals, a big surge from Symphonia in the beginning (and it will, GoW has never had a good board vote) could be all it needs to win. Then it faces HL2 in the day, and while HL2 is terrible in the day, it isn't good either, while ToS outright beat GoW in it. Then it meets Metroid Prime, and if it already beat HL2, Prime isn't going to stop it.

I don't know. The combination of low votals + the path seems like it could end up being a perfect storm. I wouldn't bet on it, but it's there.

Half-Life 2 is where it runs into a wall, I'd say. Have to give it a fair shot at God of War because of what it did last contest, but HL2 should be too high a hurdle.
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Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest.

like, if that's the case, why aren't people talking about SOTC over MGS2? Okami over Metroid Prime? Phoenix Wright over Mario Kart Wii?

I like the sound of all of these!

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is there any conclusive proof (ie: contest matches) that says that multiple 'cult' games would benefit from lower vote totals?

Never seen any evidence for this. I do think high votals may help Clinkeroth, because our 3 high-votal years (2003, 2006, 2007) were the most dominant years for Clinkeroth. But even there, there's not nearly enough match data to prove much of anything.
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Nominate Crono so he can get a higher seed and avoid being fed to Clinkeroth early in the contest.

From: transients | #223
is there any conclusive proof (ie: contest matches) that says that multiple 'cult' games would benefit from lower vote totals?

It's never once happened. Low vote totals make rallying easier, but cult is not a synonym for rabid.
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Oh and to expand on that, low vote totals happen when the economy is bad (people aren't buying games), the site itself is bad (2004), or the poll has stuff no one cares about (Laharl/Neko). Vote totals don't stay low if you put in stuff that isn't cult, because by definition it's not cult anymore.
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If I had to take a stab at it, I'd say that the idea that low votals help cult games comes into the picture when you consider fanbase rallying. If you consider two games going against each other are, say, 1% apart, the difference between 500 votes and 700 votes can be the difference between a win and a loss when the fanbase starts rallying their game.

Of course, this really only applies for close matches, becase no matter the votals, the wide majority of rallies isn't going to overcome a 1000+ vote gap. (Under the assumption that if the gap has gotten that wide, the fanbase is probably small enough that a rally isn't going to overcome that large of an obstacle)

as far as ToS v. GoW is concerned, I have to admit that I'm a little concerned about the matchup, because GoW has cooled off a bit with the reception of the most recent game.

But I think that since this is the first God of War, we're going to see less anti-voting than we might have if it was GoW3 instead.

The fact that this match has pretty much stayed in the 700~ range for the past eight hours seems weird to me.

Like, it seems like such an arbitrary number to cool off at and go even.
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shame it's not 700 lower like it was yesterday. I would be a lot more interested in this match than TF2 and Fable.

I think the idea of 'cult' games doing better is because it's assumed that 'cult' people hang around this website every day. if anything, though, it's the opposite - fourways is another way of looking at the same question and stuff like Laharl or Vyse or Phoenix didn't do noticably better there.
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xyzzy

I don't think I have ever once in my life felt nostalgic about Hoenn.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/22/2010 9:23:05 PM | message detail
Oh and to expand on that, low vote totals happen when the economy is bad (people aren't buying games), the site itself is bad (2004), or the poll has stuff no one cares about (Laharl/Neko). Vote totals don't stay low if you put in stuff that isn't cult, because by definition it's not cult anymore.

Low vote totals also happen when this site is receiving far less site traffic than usual due to the lack of any notable recent releases. Which may very well be the reason behind the August-October vote total slump with the regular polls. Once the next big Zelda game is released and it gets good reception, vote totals for regular polls will increase quite a bit (with some polls going over 100000 votes).
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After hours of trying, SFIV finally gets an 800 vote lead.
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From: hylianknight3 | #240
I don't think I have ever once in my life felt nostalgic about Hoenn.

I've felt nostalgic about May (Sandra for me) being the best female PC bar none
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this is what I get for Doubting INDESTRUCTABLE and actually thinking Sonic's Fanbase would be worth a damn :/

Oh well
*goes to watch My Little Pony*
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worth a damn in something*
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My God, did that predict good!
Dr_Football-l-l it no goin' and you tell me do things, I done runnin'...

Looks like SFIV is gonna dominate the night vote here. This might end up over 1000 votes, after all.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/22/2010 5:42:35 PM | message detail
Where's his bracket? I wish he would have entered the Gurus!

transients | Posted 10/22/2010 5:43:11 PM | message detail
check the stats page

LOL at Bacon picking FFX to win. Looks like I'll enjoy that 10 free Karma, as long as one of the following happens:

I correctly predict Melee/Brawl while Bacon gets that match wrong
Both Bacon and myself get Melee/Brawl wrong.


If I get Melee/Brawl wrong and Bacon gets that match correct, I might be at risk for not getting that 10 free Karma.
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People think FFX is not winning this contest?
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R.I.P Halo 2

Dude, were you paying attention to the last contest at all? The real contest finals will be Brawl/Melee
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You know, I'm kind of happy that my bracket's being ruined so early because of this match

Because it's probably better to get it over with early than later after bringing my hopes up.

It's also a good thing that I didn't really bother putting any effort into the bracket anyway
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