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ZFS | Posted 10/22/2010 4:26:27 PM | message detail
I think it was a good call on his part. Do we really want to see Nintendo games in this division? If you group them together as best as you can they run rampant and beat everything. Vote totals may suffer, but it makes for a more interesting contest the less spread out they are.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/22/2010 4:27:14 PM | message detail
Yes, but now we have a division where Super Mario Sunshine can realistically win three matches.

This is the best solution, huh
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transients | Posted 10/22/2010 4:27:59 PM | message detail
hey, that beats Mario Galaxy walking through this pack

...Mario Galaxy would be fun in this division actually. Fallout 3 vs. Galaxy would be interesting even if there'd be a clear fave.
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ZFS | Posted 10/22/2010 4:28:26 PM | message detail
Super Mario Sunshine has been overrated hardcore from day 1. There is no way that thing is going three rounds; it probably won't even make a match of it tomorrow against Halo 3.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2010 4:29:11 PM | message detail
Isn't tomorrow a weekend match? Doesn't that basically screw over the big 'night match' advantage everyone has been hyping up?

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transients | Posted 10/22/2010 4:29:17 PM | message detail
oh god let's not do this again

let it lie dormant for five more hours until we have to confront this mess
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/22/2010 4:30:22 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #105
Isn't tomorrow a weekend match? Doesn't that basically screw over the big 'night match' advantage everyone has been hyping up?


I've been saying this for a while because the morning vote on the weekend is a mini-ASV, which means the best possible situation if Halo 3 has to have a night match.
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voltch | Posted 10/22/2010 4:31:06 PM | message detail
I swear this division is going to kill me.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 10/22/2010 4:33:56 PM | message detail
this division rules
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xp1337 | Posted 10/22/2010 4:34:59 PM | message detail
From: ZFS | #101
I think it was a good call on his part. Do we really want to see Nintendo games in this division? If you group them together as best as you can they run rampant and beat everything. Vote totals may suffer, but it makes for a more interesting contest the less spread out they are.

I think it looks good in the very short term (first few rounds) and in these two divisions, but starts to have a more negative impact as we get later into the contest, and also out of these divisions.

Right now we get two divisions pretty much devoid of Nintendo and Square, and so we can get matches like this. Later on though, we have most of the stronger games meet each other in the late-middle rounds. With the exception of Melee/Brawl v FFX, it just feels like most of the big matches will have occurred relatively early compared to where they would have been if they had been divided up better. Melee v Brawl a Division Final? KH v KH2 not even that? Sure, by doing that, you get more diversity in the later rounds, but on the other hand, it's forcing some of the top games to get eliminated much earlier, and in some cases, makes the only big/interesting match for the loser be the match it lost, which being an SFF match, isn't going to seem as good.

I mean, take Melee/Brawl. The loser there stands a good chance of failing to break 45%. So what do we learn from that match? Whoever lost isn't going to have been challenged before hand. All we'll be able to even try and learn from it is how they performed on much weaker competition.

I understand why Bacon forced all those matches, I just don't think it was the best idea. I'm not complaining about it too much though, taking out the divisions by generations almost certainly makes up for that easily, IMO.
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transients | Posted 10/22/2010 4:35:45 PM | message detail
nah, it's like a morning vote. Halo's always been kinda average there. it's the afternoon that wins it over.

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=2106&type=1&seconds=60&max=0 -- this was a weekend match. it's also three hours off. see how Chief doesn't start moving until the afternoon?
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voltch | Posted 10/22/2010 4:36:08 PM | message detail
for shame how i kept flip flopping on those results and ended up backing the losers.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/22/2010 4:37:35 PM | message detail

From: transients | #111
nah, it's like a morning vote. Halo's always been kinda average there. it's the afternoon that wins it over.


Halo 3 had a weekend match last year and it did noticeably better in the morning than it did in the morning on the weekend.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/22/2010 4:37:42 PM | message detail
Weekday, rather.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/22/2010 4:38:36 PM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts also has a killer weekend morning vote, for similar reasons. Its morning vote isn't that good during the weekdays.
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transients | Posted 10/22/2010 4:39:45 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=3493&type=1&seconds=60&max=0

hey, you're right. that gives me a little bit more hope.

too bad Mario's even better in the morning damn you Mario
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/22/2010 4:40:45 PM | message detail
I'm hoping Mario Sunshine has more Mario Galaxy trends and has a bad day vote!

But really, it's the later morning that has ASV trends. The early morning vote will still be bad to Halo.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2010 4:40:49 PM | message detail
My argument for this match is that it's Super Mario Sunshine. I don't care how many anti-voters or Nintendrones are on this site, it's Super Mario Sunshine. And honestly, I think that's all that needs to be said.

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HookedOnSonics | Posted 10/22/2010 4:42:02 PM | message detail
So what's the deal with the random SFIV spike?

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=4074&type=2&seconds=60&max=0
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WhiteLens | Posted 10/22/2010 4:42:31 PM | message detail
So if this match shows that fighting games not named Smash has some strength, you think MvC2 has a shot at winning its match?
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xp1337 | Posted 10/22/2010 4:42:31 PM | message detail
From: KamikazePotato | #118
My argument for this match is that it's Super Mario Sunshine. I don't care how many anti-voters or Nintendrones are on this site, it's Super Mario Sunshine. And honestly, I think that's all that needs to be said.

But its opponent is Halo 3.

There are no winners in this match.
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transients | Posted 10/22/2010 4:42:49 PM | message detail
I think that was a 1 minute update.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2010 4:43:22 PM | message detail
Halo 3 actually did well last year. Halo 3 did better than Super Mario Galaxy against the same opponents. I don't get that line of thinking at all.

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transients | Posted 10/22/2010 4:43:34 PM | message detail
quick poll: NSMB Wii vs. Sunshine, who wins?

I hate tonight's match. "it's Super Mario Sunshine!" "it's Halo 3!" this is what we have devolved to, and for good reason.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/22/2010 4:43:44 PM | message detail

From: WhiteLens | #120
So if this match shows that fighting games not named Smash has some strength, you think MvC2 has a shot at winning its match?


I don't think this match shows that.

But MvC2 has a shot because NSMBWii isn't going to be very strong. If you want to take GOTY literally, Legend of Dragoon would beat NSMBWii.
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xp1337 | Posted 10/22/2010 4:43:54 PM | message detail
Haha, that spike reminds me of the Starcraft/SSBM match spike. Yeah, probably one of the one minute updates.
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LOLContests | Posted 10/22/2010 4:44:01 PM | message detail

I've been saying this for a while because the morning vote on the weekend is a mini-ASV, which means the best possible situation if Halo 3 has to have a night match.


Donkey Kong kept gaining on MC all the way til 11 in their match, albeit DK is really popular in Europe for whatever the reason, IIRC. MC's day vote in that match, didn't start kicking in big time, until after Halo 3/SMS would be over.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/22/2010 4:44:44 PM | message detail
My argument is SMG >> SMS.

You can't use it's freakin Mario when we saw SMG lose to CoD4.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/22/2010 4:45:04 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #127

I've been saying this for a while because the morning vote on the weekend is a mini-ASV, which means the best possible situation if Halo 3 has to have a night match.


Donkey Kong kept gaining on MC all the way til 11 in their match, albeit DK is really popular in Europe for whatever the reason, IIRC. MC's day vote in that match, didn't start kicking in big time, until after Halo 3/SMS would be over.


The trends of those matches are still different because of the start times though.
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ZFS | Posted 10/22/2010 4:45:06 PM | message detail
Not even Halo, on this site, carries the same negative feelings that Super Mario Sunshine does, well, everywhere.

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Natwaf_akidna | Posted 10/22/2010 4:45:13 PM | message detail
Come on SF IV, don't fail me now!
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xp1337 | Posted 10/22/2010 4:45:44 PM | message detail
From: KamikazePotato | #123
Halo 3 actually did well last year. Halo 3 did better than Super Mario Galaxy against the same opponents. I don't get that line of thinking at all.

Oh no, I think Halo 3 has to be the favorite in this match, and I have Sunshine in my bracket. I'm just saying that you can make the exact same "It's [insert game here]" argument against both of them.
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transients | Posted 10/22/2010 4:45:49 PM | message detail
maybe a dumb question: is anybody really sure that Sunshine has to be weaker than Galaxy? at least Sunshine came out on a system people care about.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/22/2010 4:46:18 PM | message detail

From: transients | #133
maybe a dumb question: is anybody really sure that Sunshine has to be weaker than Galaxy? at least Sunshine came out on a system people care about.


I'm taking it for granted because if it isn't true I will hate Nintendo fans forever.
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HookedOnSonics | Posted 10/22/2010 4:46:20 PM | message detail

From: transients | #122
I think that was a 1 minute update.


Oh yeah I remember seeing that in the updates and going "guh?"


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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2010 4:46:22 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3477
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3475

I mean, to me these results aren't even in the same league. Halo 3 just flat out did better than Galaxy did last year. I honestly don't know what Sunshine is supposed to do here.

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LOLContests | Posted 10/22/2010 4:46:56 PM | message detail
People were disappointed by Super Mario Sunshine, but I don't see where all this hate is coming from, except from people who hate on Nintendo in general.

Even in that topic Leon did (which I'm sure was done to test this out) the responses were almost all positive.
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xp1337 | Posted 10/22/2010 4:47:16 PM | message detail
From: transients | #133
maybe a dumb question: is anybody really sure that Sunshine has to be weaker than Galaxy? at least Sunshine came out on a system people care about.

I have assumed it, but no, I'm not entirely sure of it. I'd be surprised if it wasn't the case though.
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ZFS | Posted 10/22/2010 4:47:21 PM | message detail
Being on the GameCube doesn't mean you're better off than being on the Wii. Brawl or Melee? Twilight Princess or Wind Waker? Mario Galaxy or Mario Sunshine?

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charmander6000 | Posted 10/22/2010 4:47:31 PM | message detail
maybe a dumb question: is anybody really sure that Sunshine has to be weaker than Galaxy? at least Sunshine came out on a system people care about.

The Wii didn't seem to hurt SSBB/TP that badly.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/22/2010 4:47:39 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #137
Even in that topic Leon did (which I'm sure was done to test this out) the responses were almost all positive.


Yeah, and the responses were overwhelmingly positive that R/S/E was a great Pokemon game, too. This is Board 8.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2010 4:47:58 PM | message detail
Board 8 is a terrible control group for these sorts of things. We love FFIX, Sunshine, and Majora's Mask.

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/22/2010 4:49:48 PM | message detail
Man people Galaxy isn't *that* weak. Yeah it got SFFed by Brawl and LFFed by Pokemon. Guess what, replace Diamond/Pearl with Halo 3 and I promise you Galaxy stomps the ever-loving **** out of those Halo 3 and CoD4 in the first round.

Or do you seriously think Halo 3 beats Galaxy straight-up, KP?
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transients | Posted 10/22/2010 4:49:54 PM | message detail
KP is right.

TP has fallen off since its release and so, assumedly, has Brawl. Galaxy has obviously gone over a cliff. the Wii fanbase seems to have simply disappeared.

all I'm saying is that if that nostalgic Gamecube audience is still here, they might, for whatever reason, have fond memories of this mess of a game.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/22/2010 4:51:03 PM | message detail
I don't understand the confidence in Galaxy to do that. Why?

Brawl crushed Galaxy way worse than Melee crushed Wind Waker, for cryin' out loud.

And Pokemon D/P/P LFF probably wasn't very severe. Remove D/P/P and Galaxy may win, but it sure ain't gonna be a blowout.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/22/2010 4:51:27 PM | message detail

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #143
Man people Galaxy isn't *that* weak. Yeah it got SFFed by Brawl and LFFed by Pokemon. Guess what, replace Diamond/Pearl with Halo 3 and I promise you Galaxy stomps the ever-loving **** out of those Halo 3 and CoD4 in the first round.

Or do you seriously think Halo 3 beats Galaxy straight-up, KP?


Pokemon never overlaps with anything to any sort of significant degree. Take out D/P and TF2 and CoD4 would have beaten SMG straight up, easily, and so Halo 3 probably would have to. There is literally no reason to think otherwise except for NINTENDO IS INVINCIBLE

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/22/2010 4:51:35 PM | message detail
Remove D/P/P and Galaxy may win, but it sure ain't gonna be a blowout.

It doesn't need to be a blow-out to stomp Halo 3.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/22/2010 4:51:57 PM | message detail

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #147
Remove D/P/P and Galaxy may win, but it sure ain't gonna be a blowout.

It doesn't need to be a blow-out to stomp Halo 3.


No, but I'm also being pretty generous.

I still think Galaxy loses.
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xp1337 | Posted 10/22/2010 4:52:00 PM | message detail
From: WarThaNemesis2 | #143
Man people Galaxy isn't *that* weak. Yeah it got SFFed by Brawl and LFFed by Pokemon. Guess what, replace Diamond/Pearl with Halo 3 and I promise you Galaxy stomps the ever-loving **** out of those Halo 3 and CoD4 in the first round.

Yeah, but you do that and now Halo 3 is the one getting LFFed by CoD4, so how convincing is that, really?
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 10/22/2010 4:52:00 PM | message detail
So did Pikachu/Luigi/Chief/Dante never happen or something?
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