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ZFS | Posted 10/18/2010 8:18:01 PM | message detail
With the exception of a few people here and there, I have never seen these people who have fond, nostalgic memories of Legend of Dragoon.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/18/2010 8:18:19 PM | message detail
I think the issue here is UC2 has a pretty big range. It could be turbofodder, or it could be a low midcarder. Which sucks because the winner of that match is going to the third round.

Well, I've learned through past contests to never trust GotY polls for anything. The only other showing UC has is with Drake, who sucked it up in both of his contests so far.
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ZFS | Posted 10/18/2010 8:18:20 PM | message detail
and if you are one of them, you are a terror against this pure world

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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/18/2010 8:18:59 PM | message detail
and if you are one of them, you are a terror against this pure world

Me? Come on now, I would never admit to such a crime.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2010 8:19:00 PM | message detail
Uncharted 2 brought Drake from losing to CATS to nearly beating The Boss, and The Boss isn't turbo fodder either.
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kinsho3 | Posted 10/18/2010 8:19:30 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #158
Are there any other people picking Legend of Dragoon in the first round?


Me...only past 1 round though.....
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2010 8:20:50 PM | message detail
If you're taking it over UC2, you pretty much have to take it over SF4/SA2.

And I loved Legend of Dragoon. The combo system was one of the best RPG mechanics I've ever played.
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Mr3790 | Posted 10/18/2010 8:20:55 PM | message detail
Nice match pics so far. Looking up to be a good contest.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/18/2010 8:20:59 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #238
DMC has the best boxart around.


BS. The original Legend of Zelda with the gold cartridge basically made box arts famous.
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ZFS | Posted 10/18/2010 8:21:52 PM | message detail
I was speaking generally, just in case someone else wanted to agree about how Legend of Dragoon was the good old days or something! LOD is a sin against all that is right in this world it must be purged.

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kinsho3 | Posted 10/18/2010 8:22:12 PM | message detail
I don't get it. Can anyone explain that vote-in poll that LoD won with three other better-known JRPGs in the poll? LoD has some strength, even if some of you guys don't like to admit it.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/18/2010 8:23:42 PM | message detail
What RPG's would those be exactly..?
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 10/18/2010 8:24:58 PM | message detail
Has there been any discussion on DMC vs. KOTOR?

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ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/18/2010 8:25:12 PM | message detail
Here are the pics:

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ZFS | Posted 10/18/2010 8:25:39 PM | message detail
Well, let's be honest here -- Star Ocean, Suikoden, and Fire Emblem are bottom tier in every sense of the word. I think people are entirely too caught up on that GOTD vote in poll (how close do you think Ninja Gaiden gets to Uncharted 2?), but beating out those games isn't really much of a feat. Legend of Dragoon probably rings a bell -- for better or worse -- sooner than those games

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kinsho3 | Posted 10/18/2010 8:26:37 PM | message detail
Shin Megami Tensai: Nocturne
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Suikoden V

The Persona, Suikoden, and Star Ocean series have far more name power on this site compared to something like LoD.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/18/2010 8:26:56 PM | message detail

From: kinsho3 | #261
I don't get it. Can anyone explain that vote-in poll that LoD won with three other better-known JRPGs in the poll? LoD has some strength, even if some of you guys don't like to admit it.


Name one, let alone three. FE10 is not more well-known than LoD.

Also I love the last-day panic that grips the board, where you guys start second-guessing easy matches. Always entertaining.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/18/2010 8:27:49 PM | message detail

From: kinsho3 | #266
Shin Megami Tensai: Nocturne
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Suikoden V

The Persona, Suikoden, and Star Ocean series have far more name power on this site compared to something like LoD.


Not a single one of those games breaks 40% on Legend of Dragoon.
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ZFS | Posted 10/18/2010 8:29:05 PM | message detail
That isn't Persona, that's Nocturne. It's a whole different series of game separate from Persona.

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 10/18/2010 8:30:18 PM | message detail
**** it. I'm taking DMC to make it to FF9.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/18/2010 8:30:33 PM | message detail
Oh man, better watch out from Suikoden.

Jeeze, what are you people thinking.
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kinsho3 | Posted 10/18/2010 8:30:55 PM | message detail
Oh yeah, and Fire Emblem.

But anyway, I do agree those RPGs are pretty much bottom of the barrel in terms of RPGs. And yet, how many of us truly expected LoD to win that poll? I don't think even one single member of B8 expected LoD to do so well. If that poll wasn't there, I'm pretty sure most of us would have placed LoD below Star Ocean, Suikoden, FE, Persona, etc. To say that LoD doesn't have some strength is ridiculous. Will it be enough to beat Uncharted 2? Possibly. I'd say Uncharted's time is just about up on this site, at least until #3.
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kinsho3 | Posted 10/18/2010 8:33:53 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #188
Not a single one of those games breaks 40% on Legend of Dragoon.


We can say this now in hindsight. Instead of concluding those games were super-weak, why are we not saying that LoD might actually have some strength?

From: ZFS | #189
That isn't Persona, that's Nocturne. It's a whole different series of game separate from Persona.


Really? Thought those games were related. Am I right to assume a lot of Persona players play Nocturne though?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/18/2010 8:34:15 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #255
Uncharted 2 brought Drake from losing to CATS to nearly beating The Boss, and The Boss isn't turbo fodder either.


In all honesty, if we re-run that 4way right now, I'd still take CATS over Drake. Not with a doubling, mind you, but I doubt Drake can match the 12% CATS would be guaranteed.
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ZFS | Posted 10/18/2010 8:35:23 PM | message detail
I wouldn't have expected Legend of Dragoon to win that poll, but I don't think it's particularly meaningful that it did considering its competition. Star Wars Battlefront was a close second place there, which isn't exactly inspiring much confidence in anything in that poll being particularly noteworthy. I mean, I dunno about anyone else, but I wouldn't have to think too much about taking Uncharted 2 to wreck everything else that was in that poll.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/18/2010 8:35:31 PM | message detail

From: kinsho3 | Posted: 10/18/2010 11:33:53 PM | #273
why are we not saying that LoD might actually have some strength?


Because beating cult RPG's doesn't mean you have strength to beat a runer up to game of the year.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2010 8:35:58 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #274
In all honesty, if we re-run that 4way right now, I'd still take CATS over Drake. Not with a doubling, mind you, but I doubt Drake can match the 12% CATS would be guaranteed.


CATS isn't guaranteed 12%. Not anymore.
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ZFS | Posted 10/18/2010 8:36:46 PM | message detail

Really? Thought those games were related. Am I right to assume a lot of Persona players play Nocturne though?


Not at all. Nocturne, and SMT in general, is extremely niche. Persona was the first real game to come along from that series that caught on with people. Nocturne is probably sub-Disgaea levels of niche.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2010 8:37:58 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3696

Plus, 10-ways or not, if CATS can't beat ANY of the crap in that poll, he's not beating Drake in a 4-way. CATS isn't non-linear.
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 10/18/2010 8:38:13 PM | message detail
now that we know that's def the format, you guys want me to do any more?

How does Oblivion vs SC2 with focus on Link look?
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Justin_Crossing | Posted 10/18/2010 8:41:24 PM | message detail

From: Team Rocket Elite | #280
now that we know that's def the format, you guys want me to do any more?

How does Oblivion vs SC2 with focus on Link look?


Why are we even assuming it's the GC version?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2010 8:42:30 PM | message detail

From: Justin_Crossing | #281
Why are we even assuming it's the GC version?


Maybe it'll be all three!
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 10/18/2010 8:42:47 PM | message detail
Who wins this fourpack?

Diablo II
God of War
Star Wars: KOTOR
Devil May Cry

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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2010 8:43:03 PM | message detail
Diablo II.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/18/2010 8:43:24 PM | message detail
Lemme rephrase that. CATS would still KILL MURDER AND ANNIHILATE Nathan Drake in a 4way with Squall and Yoshi to eat up all the votes. It would not even be pretty. In fact it would be ugly and bad.
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 10/18/2010 8:44:12 PM | message detail
Why are we even assuming it's the GC version?

I'm not. I'd just like to see what it would look like if it was.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/18/2010 8:44:29 PM | message detail

From: Dilated Chemist | #283
Who wins this fourpack?

Diablo II
God of War
Star Wars: KOTOR
Devil May Cry


Devil May Cry.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2010 8:44:54 PM | message detail
Even with Squall and Yoshi taking up 78% of the votes, Nathan Drake would still win.

CATS isn't non-linear.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/18/2010 8:45:02 PM | message detail
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/18/2010 8:46:07 PM | message detail
Oh jesus I should really get a calendar down here.
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kinsho3 | Posted 10/18/2010 8:47:40 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #185
I wouldn't have expected Legend of Dragoon to win that poll, but I don't think it's particularly meaningful that it did considering its competition. Star Wars Battlefront was a close second place there, which isn't exactly inspiring much confidence in anything in that poll being particularly noteworthy. I mean, I dunno about anyone else, but I wouldn't have to think too much about taking Uncharted 2 to wreck everything else that was in that poll.


I think Star Wars came in second place thanks to its namesake, to be honest. But yeah, besides Star Wars, it also beat out a Ninja Gaiden game and a Mario Kart game (that was arguably held back, yeah I know). Not a bad performance overall.

From: MarioSuperstar | #186
Because beating cult RPG's doesn't mean you have strength to beat a runer up to game of the year.


Yeah, cause you know games that do well in the game of the year polls are always top performers...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1877
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2622
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2994

Game of the Year polls can be notoriously unreliable at times, especially when games have just been released. One of the major reasons Galaxy did well in its GOTY poll was because it came out less than 2 months before the poll, I think.

Are GOTY polls to be ignored? Hell no. But don't take them as the gospel. Especially when you were dealing with a Westernized action game that came out and did well in what was arguable the weakest year of the decade.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2010 8:48:24 PM | message detail

From: kinsho3 | #291
it also beat out a Ninja Gaiden game


Not impressive.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/18/2010 8:48:55 PM | message detail
I'll take GoTY's over vote-in polls. Are you seriously saying beating Ninja Gaiden is something to talk about?
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LOLContests | Posted 10/18/2010 8:50:24 PM | message detail
For what it's worth I mentioned the vote in poll that LoD won to someone at Games Club at my school, and he was like "Oh yeah, that game was awesome."

I mean, I'm not taking it to do anything either, but there is some nostalgia behind it I suppose.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/18/2010 8:51:23 PM | message detail
Yeah, it couldn't 60-40 Ninja Gaiden, and I was planning on taking Halo to get around that much and probably higher, while I have Uncharted 2 above Halo.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/18/2010 8:52:45 PM | message detail
Actually, has any entrant in any vote-in poll ever gave a scare?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/18/2010 8:53:13 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #296
Actually, has any entrant in any vote-in poll ever gave a scare?


Yeah, we had plenty of them last year.

Like Missingno.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2010 8:53:59 PM | message detail
I find it hilarious that all the people ragging on Legend of Dragoon are the same people who enjoyed tripe like Chrono Cross and FF9.

It's hilarious how completely backwards some opinions can be.
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ZFS | Posted 10/18/2010 8:54:39 PM | message detail
Like, Dragon Age: Origins vs. Legend of Dragoon -- who do you take here?

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2010 8:54:41 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #297
Yeah, we had plenty of them last year.

Like Missingno.


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