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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/11/2010 9:17:01 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #045
Eh. To me it's just a matter of perspective. People legitimately hated Halo 1 for a long time - Halo anti-votes have largely dissipated by now, but stuff like MC/Felix was ridiculous. Halo 3 doesn't really get that; it's new and on a system GameFAQs has embraced. Halo 1 still drudges up old memories of annoying fanboy wars.

I mean, among the hardcore Halo fanbase I hear 1 is preferred, but...how big is the hardcore Halo fanbase on GameFAQs? Eh.


Aside from the fact that almost everyone that plays Halo prefers the first, you have to consider that people will probably be taking "game of the decade" seriously, and Halo was way more influential and important than Halo 3 was.
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LOLContests | Posted 10/11/2010 9:17:34 PM | message detail
The only reason I had OoT winning was because of FFX's presence in the match, tbqh. That and I had SMB3 making it through instead of LttP.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/11/2010 9:19:05 PM | message detail
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/11/2010 9:19:19 PM | message detail
also give me more matches to do mock pics for

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transience | Posted 10/11/2010 9:21:13 PM | message detail
I would have picked OOT over FF7 but I thought LTTP would hurt OOT more than FFX would hurt FF7. again, previous polls suggested this.

in hindsight, it makes sense everyone would abandon the lesser games and vote for the lesser of two evils. I woulda won money had I realized that too. oh well.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/11/2010 9:22:17 PM | message detail
To the people who think FFVII always wins, OOT was the change, but not to us, who had witnessed Link/Zelda win every contest save for L-Block's since 2005. Although whether or not the stats topic is desperate for Nintendo to lose doesn't really apply to SMS/Halo, yeah.

Also, any anti-votes Halo 1 gets Halo 3 will also get. The people who would still anti-vote Halo (and there are still a lot of them) will anti-vote the whole series. The Xbox 360 fanbase is way bigger than the Xbox fanbase was, but that gain went to other games besides Halo. Halo was THE game on the Xbox, Halo 3 is just one of many games on the 360.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/11/2010 9:22:52 PM | message detail
XD, the poll on the homepage hasn't closed yet. It's still possible to vote in the poll that should have closed about 21 minutes ago. If Bacon doesn't notice this until later today when he logs on (which will be at least 12 hours from now), we could a 2 day poll for the first time in several years. I bet this poll still wouldn't break 100000 votes with an extra day of voting.

This poll is still maintaining 100+ votes per update, even after it should have technically closed.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/11/2010 9:25:42 PM | message detail
There was not a person cheering for OOT in this topic the day of the bonus match except for MWC, and nobody was actually surprised when OOT won on either day.

Or maybe it was the fact that FFVII won before and the board was stubborn. While the site went pro-Nintendo since then it also became more anti-Nintendo by 2k9 so most people thought we were back to the status-quo.

I'm not saying FFVII was a bad pick, I made it too, but I think a lot of us thought the match was basically even and picked FFVII hoping for a change from Nintendo winning every contest

I find this funny since FFVII was the Link of the games contest until then. If we wanted change we would have gone with OoT.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/11/2010 9:26:21 PM | message detail
Jumping in on this conversation, I've mostly seen you guys argue for your favorites in close matches and that happens to be a lot of Square/Metal Gear games. The only Nintendo series/characters that are outright ignored/downplayed is the Pokemon franchise, and it always bites you guys in the ass. Don't know why it is so hated here, but whatever.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/11/2010 9:28:38 PM | message detail
I'm not saying FFVII was a bad pick, I made it too, but I think a lot of us thought the match was basically even and picked FFVII hoping for a change from Nintendo winning every contest

Who thought this match was even going into it? I remember most people thinking the finals would be a waste of time because FFVII was going to win easily unless it was significantly anchored by other FF games.
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AppreciateTrees | Posted 10/11/2010 9:34:27 PM | message detail
Wait a majority of this board picked FFVII over OoT?? Wow. Just wow, I would have loved to be here for that.
LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2010 9:35:00 PM | message detail
I remember we thought that the early matches favored OoT, but the later matches seemed to favor FFVII.

I don't deny that I fanboy pick a lot of matches, but I like Nintendo! So that's really got nothing to do with it.

I'm not wild about Pokemon either, but I'm still picking it over MGS3/MGS4, as much as it pains me to do so.

Seriously, it's painful.
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AppreciateTrees | Posted 10/11/2010 9:35:53 PM | message detail
like a Pokemon over a FFX or something of that nature.

That's not too inconceivable..
ZFS | Posted 10/11/2010 9:36:23 PM | message detail
Any reason the stats topic, or anyone in general, might be anti-Nintendo when it comes contest time is because this site adores the company to an unhealthy degree. It's not unusual for people to want something to lose that has been wins time and time again, that's a natural reaction for anyone who isn't a superfreak. Nothin' wrong with that.

Of course, when it comes to picking a Nintendo game to lose in this contest -- like Mario Sunshine to Halo -- there's no bias there. That's just something that makes sense.

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ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/11/2010 9:36:38 PM | message detail
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ZFS | Posted 10/11/2010 9:38:06 PM | message detail
I'm not wild about Pokemon either, but I'm still picking it over MGS3/MGS4, as much as it pains me to do so.

there's a reason for this pain -- it goes against everything good in this world to pick such a thing

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Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/11/2010 9:38:45 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #048
There was not a person cheering for OOT in this topic the day of the bonus match except for MWC, and nobody was actually surprised when OOT won on either day. I'm not saying FFVII was a bad pick, I made it too, but I think a lot of us thought the match was basically even and picked FFVII hoping for a change from Nintendo winning every contest.


Speak for yourself, I was loving OoT beating down FF7.

I'm one of the biggest Nintendo fanboys in this topic, and maybe even this board. I predicted FF7 would beat OoT because it won before, not because I wanted Nintendo to lose or whatever stupid-ass bull**** people are saying.

You guys are really looking too much into this ****. People vote for their favorite games. People predict which games they think will win. Yeah, there are site shifts, but you guys keep talking about this anti-Nintendo backlash, and I don't see it having a huge effect on contests. Yeah, it hurts a few titles like Galaxy, but TP and Brawl are still juggernauts, and most of the Nintendo characters are still looking strong.

I just think this argument is getting kinda ridiculous.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/11/2010 9:44:46 PM | message detail
Sorry, I didn't remember that you were supporting OOT. But this topic was pretty much FFVII fanboy central on that day, and for good reason. And of course there were many people who legitimately thought FFVII was stronger, but I just don't think that was the case to the extent that the Guru spread would be 80-20.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2010 9:47:11 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #068
Sorry, I didn't remember that you were supporting OOT. But this topic was pretty much FFVII fanboy central on that day, and for good reason. And of course there were many people who legitimately thought FFVII was stronger, but I just don't think that was the case to the extent that the Guru spread would be 80-20.


Board 8 usually has one favorite and sticks with it, even in close matches. Squall was still an overwhelming favorite against Auron despite every indication that the match would be close. Pretty much 80/20 there, too.

96.5% picked Link to win the last contest though.
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transience | Posted 10/11/2010 9:47:29 PM | message detail
it's not fanboy central, it's bracket central. if people pick OOT and FF7 wins, the same thing will happen.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/11/2010 9:48:10 PM | message detail
OoT beating down FF7 was awesome.

Pretty sure yoblazer was also in this camp.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2010 9:48:23 PM | message detail
And I guarantee you OoT would get at least 80% support on the board if we had another Games Contest, if not more, even if FFX wins this contest.
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LOLContests | Posted 10/11/2010 9:49:19 PM | message detail
GameFAQS is hardly some aberration of Nintendo love, with the exceptions of Zelda and Smash Brothers. If it hadn't been for rallying, Mario and Link would have probably been the finalists in Gamespot's contest.

Link, Mario and Samus are gaming icons and they would be in the "Noble Nine" on any console oriented gaming web site. Deal with it. The Near Elites are almost all Square characters, and the best the any other Nintendo characters can put up on average is 30 on BL. Good, but hardly some dominating numbers. I'm not sure what more the people complaining about Nintendo want. For the Near Elites AND Upper Midcarders to be all Square?

It's like Nintendo had two great years (and what did they have in 2006 besides Yoshi/Dante and Luigi/Zero) and everyone went haywire for some reason. Their track record since then has been mixed. They've lost close and debated matches, and they've won close and debated matches as well. Of course they always tend to do well. They're Nintendo! They have a ton of characters to draw from. They would do well on any gaming web site.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2010 9:50:22 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #073
(and what did they have in 2006 besides Yoshi/Dante and Luigi/Zero)


Samus winning the contest?

Peach/Jill, too.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/11/2010 9:53:44 PM | message detail
OOT's win is much more recent now than FFVII's win was in 2009, and there hasn't been a major site shift that we know of since 2009, so it makes sense that it would have 80% support. IIRC, Yoblazer switched his vote to FFVII for the bonus poll.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2010 9:54:37 PM | message detail
Heck, wasn't Link still the board favorite to win in 2004 despite Cloud just winning in 2003? I'm pretty sure he was.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2010 9:54:48 PM | message detail
And FFVII just beating OoT, to boot.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/11/2010 9:55:35 PM | message detail
It was dead even in the BOP or Guru, I don't remember which, and very close in the other.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/11/2010 9:56:26 PM | message detail
But that would just prove my point! Back then, it really was FFVII that always won, as it had just won 2 contests in a row.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/11/2010 9:57:20 PM | message detail
But OoT had never won anything over FFVII! It didn't even win that 2005 Top 10 Games mini-contest.
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ZFS | Posted 10/11/2010 9:57:26 PM | message detail
I'm not sure what more the people complaining about Nintendo want. For the Near Elites AND Upper Midcarders to be all Square?

Well, no, I don't think Square dominating the contests is any better. I wasn't trying to say that Nintendo is bad, Square is good, just that any time one company's games / characters dominate a field or win continuously people will naturally start to dislike it. The best thing that has happened to these contests is probably Western games having a bigger presence, they're the one thing that's added a bit of diversity to these contests as of late, though we're still not at a level where something non-Nintendo / Square will win one of these yet. Someday, though.

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AppreciateTrees | Posted 10/11/2010 10:09:24 PM | message detail
Can you all please start arguing about the Brawl/Melee match? It seems like discussion of this match has really been ignored a lot on this board. I mean, I guess maybe that's because it's hard to make a strong argument for either, but it's still a huge match, one that will be a deal breaker for many brackets. Start talking it out.
PoncedeLeonhart | Posted 10/11/2010 10:09:58 PM | message detail

From: AppreciateTrees | #082
Can you all please start arguing about the Brawl/Melee match?


No.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 10/11/2010 10:31:37 PM | message detail
blah blah blah brawl blah

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/11/2010 10:33:46 PM | message detail
You know, I have been wondering of 1vs1 in games being dramatically different from 4 ways will bite us. Can anyone find anything radically different in the last Character battle? I know most of us kinda didn't expect such a large drop from FF7 or Pokemon to do so well.


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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/11/2010 10:34:02 PM | message detail
This is an interesting topic:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/10-ask-the-mods/56723419

Apparently, one mod thinks that the current poll right now hasn't closed yet because thinks Bacon might have changed the poll closing time to 12:00 AM PST (it has been 12:00 AM EST for like the past 4 years or so). But I highly doubt that and think the site is having technical difficulties that are preventing the server from changing the poll at the normal poll closing time.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 10/11/2010 10:54:17 PM | message detail
This whole time, I thought Valkyria Chronicles was a PS1 Square RPG. Time to pick Disgaea then.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/12/2010 4:36:30 AM | message detail
Fourways will still be helpful. I mean, you're an idiot if you just use the x-stats or take stuff at face value, but they can still be useful for comparison purposes. They're perfectly helpful if you exercise even a little caution.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/12/2010 5:11:22 AM | message detail
You know, I have been wondering of 1vs1 in games being dramatically different from 4 ways will bite us. Can anyone find anything radically different in the last Character battle? I know most of us kinda didn't expect such a large drop from FF7 or Pokemon to do so well.

There isn't, the main problem with four-ways is that there is increase in variation. While in 1v1 there is some fanbase overlap in 4-ways there is a higher chance that the average voter will be a fan of at least two of the options.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/12/2010 6:27:22 AM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #071
Samus are gaming icons and they would be in the "Noble Nine" on any console oriented gaming web site.


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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/12/2010 6:57:20 AM | message detail
Calling Samus a gaming icon was incredibly stupid, yes. I suppose Super Metroid and Prime are fairly influential but even then no Metroid game aside from Other M puts much of an emphasis on Samus herself. Then the Metroid series has not exactly been full of commercial blockbusters and...yeah.

Even I myself like Samus more for her character design and the whole concept over her games (as opposed to Mario and Link where icon status forms a fair amount of my good opinion of them). It doesn't help that the Metroid series only has 2 games that could be considered "classics", as opposed to the Zelda franchise's 5 and Mario's...uh, 7.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/12/2010 7:31:48 AM | message detail
Samus would have decent strength on any non-PC gaming website. In a version of our noble nine? Maybe not, but she'll be elite material.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/12/2010 7:37:14 AM | message detail
Decent strength due to...what? Character design, Smash appearances, the two "classic" games she has to her name, some of the best handheld games ever...yeah, I guess you're right. But she may be a low midcarder on some other site. By now however the Metroid series has better than decent exposure, especially considering how much exposure she has on the Wii (appearance in SSBB, EVERY 3D Metroid has a retail release on the system, yadda yadda...).
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/12/2010 7:44:22 AM | message detail
Well most polls I've seen on other sites in the past had Samus performing pretty well.

In GameSpot while we can't measure her performance she was comparable to Sonic and Master Chief and I consider those two characters to have decent strength.
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LOLContests | Posted 10/12/2010 7:47:22 AM | message detail
Samus looked pretty damn strong on Gamespot
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/12/2010 7:49:32 AM | message detail
There isn't, the main problem with four-ways is that there is increase in variation. While in 1v1 there is some fanbase overlap in 4-ways there is a higher chance that the average voter will be a fan of at least two of the options.

I suppose. It certainly didn't feel like Smash characters were as strong as they were prior to 2010. Sonic also kinda felt like he didn't go anywhere.

In fact, Nintendo (or proxy Nintendo characters) actually did look better as a whole. Even Link, who I thought could get no better, looked like he gained since 2005's ToC.

I can expect to see even more surprises this contest considering we haven't had a 1 vs 1 BGE since 2004.
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LOLContests | Posted 10/12/2010 7:54:21 AM | message detail
Link definitely looked weaker in 2008 and 2010 than he did in previous years, at least in my opinion.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/12/2010 7:56:32 AM | message detail
Link looked awful in 2010. 4 straight disappointing performances to start the contest, 2 SFF matches against Sonic and Mario where he looked good/okay (he actually scored less on Mario in 2010 than 2008, and that was his first time bringing down the SFF hammer on Sonic), and then a disappointing match against the weakest Cloud since 2002.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/12/2010 8:01:51 AM | message detail
He scored less on Mario? Looks like he scored more to me.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2920

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3854

I forgot about that Thrall match. Man was that weird.

Well, even more support for 1 vs 1's having some strange mystical factor of voting.
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