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Justin_Crossing | Posted 10/8/2010 1:09:23 AM | message detail

From: Xuxon | #400
Valkyria never really seemed obscure to me, but i picked Disgaea anyway. though i'm not really sure why. i should probably change that.

what's favored in PD/CoD4? i also picked PD for pretty much no reason.


Valkyria IIRC had a very small number of games actually produced.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 10/8/2010 1:31:45 AM | message detail
So what do you guys think about Arkham Asylum being this contest's Charizard?

I'll keep in mind that so many of you crapped on my Charizard pick until he Flare Blitz'd your heads in. Know that Batman is at least 30x more dangerous than Charizard. =)
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/8/2010 1:47:25 AM | message detail
Valkyria never really seemed obscure to me, but i picked Disgaea anyway. though i'm not really sure why. i should probably change that.

Valkyria Chronicles will be pretty weak, based on these polls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3353
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3360
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3476

Valkyria Chronicles got 24.48% on LBP in the first poll and 19.37% on it in the second poll. Valkyria also got 11.29% on MGS4 in the second poll. LBP got 28.20% on MGS4 in the PS3 GotY and in a contest match, it got 21.03% on MGS4.

As for Disgaea:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3469

Disgaea got 23.75% on Melee directly. Considering MGS4's strength is very close to Melee and Valkyria got 11.29% on MGS4, this gives me confidence in Disgaea > Valkyria.
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The Real Truth | Posted 10/8/2010 2:41:05 AM | message detail
Bringing up old results for PS3 games is dangerous. The PS3 is much more popular than it used to be. Valkyria Chronicles has gottne popular due to word of mouth and even came out with a sequel (yeah it's on the PSP, whatever). Disgaea is likely the safer pick. I went with Valkyria because of the PS3 popularity and a better seed. Really, the match should be close either way. I wouldn't expect either game to break 55% or much more than that.
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The Real Truth | Posted 10/8/2010 2:57:04 AM | message detail
After having said all that I actually switched to Disgaea.
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Intanos VI | Posted 10/8/2010 3:26:08 AM | message detail
I'm all done except for Metroid Prime vs Half-Life 2
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/8/2010 5:40:06 AM | message detail
As far as the general wrestling game goes (after just searching "WW"), at least as a genre, it really is comparable to Madden (maybe even a weaker one).

I don't know if the most popular wrestling game (is it?) could land, however.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/8/2010 5:46:13 AM | message detail
I'm all done except for Metroid Prime vs Half-Life 2

Well MP got the same on KH as HL2 got on TP so I guess it all depends on how much Paper Mario held Metroid Prime back.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/8/2010 6:25:27 AM | message detail
I also suppose it depends on how we think Twilight Princess vs. Kingdom Hearts goes (which ironically is basically guaranteed in the bracket)...that should be a win for the Zelda game right? That also basically decides how Brawl vs. Melee goes, eeps.

Right now I'm picking Half-Life 2 out of sheer favoritism. It won Crispy Gamer's Game of the Decade contest when it only had a 3 seed, so surely it can do well here when it has a 2 seed, right?

BTW Metroid Prime is the only 1 seed common to both the Crispy Gamer and GameFAQs versions of the Game of the Decade contest, which is funny seeing how it's likely the weakest on both counts. In their contest Fallout 3 was a 6 seed (which almost beat Half-Life 2 in round 2), Melee was an 8 (but got to the final four and was caught cheating against Half-Life 2), Resident Evil 4 was a 4 (lost to GTAIII in round 2...not going to happen here), and Majora's Mask, Final Fantasy X, and Metal Gear Solid 3 were all absent there (since the contest only had 1 game per series, so Wind Waker, FFXII, and MGS2 were the respective reps...and they all lost in the first round).

Speaking of which, I just realized that Twilight Princess is the lowest-seeded Zelda game in the contest. Huh?
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/8/2010 6:25:52 AM | message detail
MP did a few points worse than HL2 against the winning opponents of their Round 1 matches, which is one reason why I have HL2 in my bracket. Plus, Zelda:TP is stronger than KH, I think. The match will take place in the day.... true, HL2 is not a game that gets votes in the day, but MP isn't much better with that. I think both have a pretty good shot.

GTAIV vs. RSE, anyone? I picked RSE without hesitation, but I just realized GTA4 vs. DPP might be close looking at the stats of early 2009... True, GTA4 may have weakened by now (but maybe not) and RSE has a day match...



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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/8/2010 6:37:32 AM | message detail
Isn't Pokemon RSE usually seen as the weak point of the series? Plus Super Mario Galaxy shouldn't do so well on GTAIV and it might even lose (heck the two faced off last year and look who came out on top, though I can understand why SMG is the consensus pick seeing as how Niko seemed to fall off the map last contest and SMG was basically facing its worst opponent), but we know that Galaxy would do well on Pokemon DPP, and I have a hard time believing in RSE > DPP.

Speaking of which, this darn Pokecraze is just too much here. I'm voting for GSC until it hits Majora's Mask, which it should not defeat quite frankly (I'm fine with GSC beating Wind Waker and MGS3/4 though), and I'm not voting for DPP or RSE at all. Really sad to see DPP get matched up with one of the best handheld experiences I've ever played, but I don't really mind.
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WhiteLens | Posted 10/8/2010 6:38:22 AM | message detail
I just picked R/S/E because of its strong Pokemon-label.

Even if it is possibly the weakest generation, I'd imagine that with it being 1v1, all the Nintendo fans will focus on it.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/8/2010 7:04:13 AM | message detail

From: Haste_2 | #410
MP did a few points worse than HL2 against the winning opponents of their Round 1 matches, which is one reason why I have HL2 in my bracket. Plus, Zelda:TP is stronger than KH, I think. The match will take place in the day.... true, HL2 is not a game that gets votes in the day, but MP isn't much better with that. I think both have a pretty good shot.

GTAIV vs. RSE, anyone? I picked RSE without hesitation, but I just realized GTA4 vs. DPP might be close looking at the stats of early 2009... True, GTA4 may have weakened by now (but maybe not) and RSE has a day match...


That's a good point. As weak as GTA4 is, we may be underestimating it because it's against POKEMON. Nevermind that it'll be against the arguably weakest member of the main series and probably would do on an un-SFF'd Galaxy what DP did on it.

Then again, it's really hard to pick a GTA game over a Pokemon game to begin with. You have one series fond of losing matches it's supposed to win, and another series fond of winning matches it's supposed to lose. Hell, I'm too scared to even consider it even if the stats say it's feasible.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/8/2010 7:45:12 AM | message detail
GTAIV surprisingly didn't really drop all that much from the 2008 Multi-platform poll. In fact, you probably could make a case that it gained. It was close to both Fallout 3 and CoD4; it may could even beat Galaxy if you buy into another Wii dropping.

Trusting GTA games is kinda lame, but last contest only San Andreas really bombed.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2010 7:56:33 AM | message detail
Sorry, from Ulti's Top 100 topic:

Dunno what system you played it on (and I hope you paid for it like I did), but on the PS3 it's square for rewind, X for jump, O to hit a switch and triangle for a bubble.

I don't think I know what puzzle you were stuck at then, unless it was the last one of that world. I played mine cheaply, but I bought my brother's copy full-price to redeem my sins! If you've ran through World 6 yet, I imagine you're intimidated by a few of the puzzles...!


Now, back to business.

From: Xuxon | #393
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2443

that tells me right there FE9 is legit. bracket placement or not, FE7 has sucked and 10 wasn't out then. those votes had to come from somewhere!


Two words: sprite round.
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greatone10 | Posted 10/8/2010 8:18:26 AM | message detail

From: ExThaNemesis | Posted: 10/8/2010 1:31:45 AM | #402
So what do you guys think about Arkham Asylum being this contest's Charizard?

I'll keep in mind that so many of you crapped on my Charizard pick until he Flare Blitz'd your heads in. Know that Batman is at least 30x more dangerous than Charizard. =)


I have it in the Final Four, but it is quite risky. Like many of the new games in the contest, it is just so untested that it is really hard to say where it ends up.
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JaKyL25 | Posted 10/8/2010 8:23:12 AM | message detail
Has anyone yet done a complete breakdown of the games that made the contest by original platform?

That would be interesting IMO.
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voltch | Posted 10/8/2010 8:50:53 AM | message detail
can someone gimme some xstats for KH/KHII?
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FunEntry | Posted 10/8/2010 8:52:46 AM | message detail
just remember: Winners choose Fun Entry!
neonreaper | Posted 10/8/2010 8:53:51 AM | message detail
>_>
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 10/8/2010 10:30:53 AM | message detail

From: Intanos VI | #406
I'm all done except for Metroid Prime vs Half-Life 2


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WiggumFan267 | Posted 10/8/2010 10:32:14 AM | message detail

From: Haste_2 | #410
GTAIV vs. RSE, anyone? I picked RSE without hesitation, but I just realized GTA4 vs. DPP might be close looking at the stats of early 2009... True, GTA4 may have weakened by now (but maybe not) and RSE has a day match...




I'm going GTA4. RSE is the black sheep of the series and I think it might show.


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WiggumFan267 | Posted 10/8/2010 10:34:03 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #411
Speaking of which, this darn Pokecraze is just too much here. I'm voting for GSC until it hits Majora's Mask, which it should not defeat quite frankly (I'm fine with GSC beating Wind Waker and MGS3/4 though)


Hmm... isn't Majora's Mask just about equal to WW in power? Or at least I would assume this. Of GSC beats Wind Waker, it should beat Majora's.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/8/2010 10:34:30 AM | message detail
RSE is going to get stomped by GTAIV, and anyone who knows the Pokemon fanbase at all knows this.

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WiggumFan267 | Posted 10/8/2010 10:36:29 AM | message detail
Also, I've been giving some serious consideration to TP winning it all... okay maybe not SERIOUS

but it wouldn't surprise me if it came out of nowhere as a surprise winner or goes furtehr than you guys think.


You have it all going to the E8 and losing to Brawl right?

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WiggumFan267 | Posted 10/8/2010 10:36:40 AM | message detail
Brawl or Melee, whatever
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/8/2010 10:43:45 AM | message detail
I've been mulling over it, too. TP getting a bit of strength from a lack of OoT wouldn't be too surprising, and it's kinda close to Brawl to begin with if the last contest can be believed.

I'm not going to take it, but I wouldn't be shocked to see TP win against Smash either. Don't think it's likely enough for me to take a risk there, though.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2010 10:52:52 AM | message detail
It's not my kind of risk, though I can see it happening. It's just that we haven't seen it happen yet under two different circumstances (GotD-poll, BGE2). While one-on-one is different from four-ways and ten-way polls, we still don't have much reason to believe SSBB isn't the #1 Wii-game...and if SSBM beats it, that's all the stronger LoZ:TP has to be to compete. It seems more like you'd have to rely on the LoZ-name covering the rest of the gap, and that probably won't work since those two SSB-games are so huge.
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voltch | Posted 10/8/2010 10:58:40 AM | message detail
dudes, DMC3 is gonna murder everything in its path.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 10/8/2010 11:39:49 AM | message detail
Yeah, I was pretty much thinking "LoZ name" here, as an alternative to OoT.


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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/8/2010 11:40:41 AM | message detail
I dunno. Isn't that akin to thinking Ganondorf and Zelda would be stronger without Link...?
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 10/8/2010 12:00:18 PM | message detail
If you thought games = characters!

But I see your point. I think voters are smarter than that anyway though. Or opinionated enough anyway
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Magic8Squall | Posted 10/8/2010 12:02:44 PM | message detail
I dunno, I just get this weird picture of an OoT fan in my mind going, "Man, I love OoT SO MUCH and I need to vote for SOMETHING Zelda to satisfy this insatiable desire to VOTE FOR OCARINA OF TIME GAME OF THE EVER BABY! It should be game of the decade even though it was made in 1998!"

Although we can hope FFVII fanboys get the same urge and do it for FFX!
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/8/2010 12:09:09 PM | message detail
OOT fans aren't going to vote for other Zelda games just because OOT isn't in the contest. If they loved Zelda that much, they would vote for those other Zelda games even with OOT in the contest.
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voltch | Posted 10/8/2010 12:18:22 PM | message detail
yeah, if people voted just based on franchise names, wouldn't most games in a series be closer in strength?

It's cos they are so damn different that there are wide gaps in strength and just having the LoZ name isn't gonna close that gap and make the 3 big LoZ games in this contest any stronger.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 10/8/2010 12:58:14 PM | message detail

From: Magic8Squall | #433
I dunno, I just get this weird picture of an OoT fan in my mind going, "Man, I love OoT SO MUCH and I need to vote for SOMETHING Zelda to satisfy this insatiable desire to VOTE FOR OCARINA OF TIME GAME OF THE EVER BABY! It should be game of the decade even though it was made in 1998!"

Although we can hope FFVII fanboys get the same urge and do it for FFX!


This is absolutely stupid reasoning. OoT is my favourite game ever but I'm definitely not voting for TP the whole way just because OoT isn't there... in fact I'd rather vote for Majora's Mask as a proxy.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 10/8/2010 1:15:35 PM | message detail

From: transience | #392
wrestling isn't Madden. it'll have its fans.

no idea if it's enough, but this topic proves that it has fans.


I can guarantee there are more people on this site who buy Madden games than wrestling games. It's just that there's no single Madden game to rally behind as the greatest. And the type of people who buy Madden games aren't as inclined to fill out a nomination form (not to mention No Mercy had the great benefit of the Guru nominations).

Anyway, as for you pointing out No Mercy having fans even on this board.. FE9 finished well ahead of No Mercy in TimJab's contest this year. I know that's really not the greatest of points to bring up concerning the contest for all of GameFAQs, but it is another plus and I feel most of GameFAQs WILL follow that trend.

They've all played Melee and Brawl and it's no secret that Ike, Marth and Roy are all popular characters in the games and they performed decently in the last character battle. Yes I know characters=/= games but the voters are certainly AWARE of Fire Emblem and I just feel like most voters will go with the RPG Nintendo option purely because they don't give two ****s about wrestling or they think wrestling is a joke. I do admit the match is up in the air. Just saying my gut feeling is Fire Emblem for these reasons. There's no great quantitative argument for picking either game.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/8/2010 1:16:19 PM | message detail
Harr, I was stuck on getting the shadow to, uh... do something for me.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/8/2010 1:16:46 PM | message detail
I picked Disgaea as a favorites pick and it's only one point so who gives a F.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/8/2010 1:19:03 PM | message detail

From: DaruniaTheGoron | #436
This is absolutely stupid reasoning. OoT is my favourite game ever but I'm definitely not voting for TP the whole way just because OoT isn't there... in fact I'd rather vote for Majora's Mask as a proxy.


You do realize that was completely sarcastic, right?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/8/2010 1:22:51 PM | message detail
Uh...

I'm not the only one to go wrestling =/= sports, right?
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voltch | Posted 10/8/2010 1:27:51 PM | message detail
Am i the only thinking pics will be a great help for No Mercy, just nostalgia pics and boom surprise win.
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AppreciateTrees | Posted 10/8/2010 1:40:41 PM | message detail
It should be game of the decade even though it was made in 1998!"

I'm sure many OoT fanboys actually said that to themselves lol
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/8/2010 1:57:44 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #438
You do realize that was completely sarcastic, right?


I think he should have bolded the CAPS LOCK PART for more sarcastic emphasis.

Or maybe we need to get to work on creating that "sarcasm font" the internet so desperately needs.
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LOLContests | Posted 10/8/2010 2:05:59 PM | message detail
This board is the only place where I ever see anyone talking about wrestling anymore, tbqh.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 10/8/2010 2:26:49 PM | message detail
Am i the only thinking pics will be a great help for No Mercy, just nostalgia pics and boom surprise win.

Hell, the box art alone has HHH and The Rock (no Stone Cold since he was out for like, a year, at the time).
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2010 2:28:34 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #441
I'm not the only one to go wrestling =/= sports, right?


I think WWF is going to be more categorized by gamers as a fighter than a sports game in the same way that gamers probably associate UFC-games as fighter-games instead of sports-games...and the difference is, of course, that professional wrestling isn't really a sport. That may be what gets it some hate, but it's hard to immediately associate the game as sports instead of fighting.



This is also going to be a lame argument, but to try showing WWF No Mercy has its fans, I'm trying to dig around in a few different areas to show its reception:


1) http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?search=WWF&numrev=3&site=
http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=&cat=0&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=WCW
http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=&cat=0&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=WWE

From these three searches, it's the third highest-rated wrestling game to date...I can't say anything about the WWF Smackdown or WWE Smackdown games, but I do know I haven't heard of them in any discussion of classic wrestling games because...


2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWF_No_Mercy#Reception

WWF No Mercy is considered by many to be one of the best wrestling games ever made.


3) http://www.gamefaqs.com/n64/914112-wwf-no-mercy
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/199349-wwf-smackdown
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/589727-wwe-smackdown-here-comes-the-pain

WWF No Mercy was better received here than the other two wrestling games that beat it review-wise, plus it was better-received than FE:PoR (though it has two/four times as many reviews/ratings...surely due to some degree by being newer, but nonetheless).


4) http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/259-pro-wrestling-social/56681227

I just made the topic so I don't know how it's going to turn out, but I expect strong support for WWF No Mercy. It'll be fun to see if it turns out right or wrong.


I can't find anything about its sales, though it's not like that's ever a good argument either.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 10/8/2010 2:32:56 PM | message detail
Yeah, I think we can say that wrestling games in this contest should not be compared to, say, Madden. There was a huge cult of wrestling game fans back in No Mercy's day. But ever since THQ decided to make SVR their lone wrestling series (and WWE's decline into PG territory) there has been a huge drop-off in that niche.

Hell, there was a fanbase for the Def Jam series simply because AKI was making them with a fighting/wrestling focus in mind.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2010 2:36:07 PM | message detail

From: SonicRaptor | #448
Hell, there was a fanbase for the Def Jam series simply because AKI was making them with a fighting/wrestling focus in mind.


I bought one of them! It was an okay used purchase.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 10/8/2010 2:37:13 PM | message detail
I think WWF is going to be more categorized by gamers as a fighter than a sports game in the same way that gamers probably associate UFC-games as fighter-games instead of sports-games...and the difference is, of course, that professional wrestling isn't really a sport. That may be what gets it some hate, but it's hard to immediately associate the game as sports instead of fighting.

On the flip side, Wrestling and UFC games release games yearly, like in "2010" version for example, like a sports game. And they always have evolving rosters based on actual leagues, just like a sports game. Wrestling and sports fans are pretty much the same demographic too... you're not going to find many of either on a site like Gamefaqs.
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