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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 4:31:14 PM | message detail
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 4:32:02 PM | message detail
I would crack up if Legend of Dragoon somehow reached FO3. If somebody wants an upset special nobody else is taking, there you go.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/6/2010 4:32:09 PM | message detail
Man, if LoD beats UC2...I ****ing quit :/
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SuperAngelo128 | Posted 10/6/2010 4:32:37 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #302
I would crack up if Legend of Dragoon somehow reached FO3. If somebody wants an upset special nobody else is taking, there you go.


I will try this
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/6/2010 4:32:53 PM | message detail
Speaking of Uncharted 2, how far are you guys taking it? Over Halo/Halo 3/Sunshine/SA2/SFIV? Or what?

I have it losing to that Dragoon game, and I'm confident enough to stick with this upset.
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transients | Posted 10/6/2010 4:36:19 PM | message detail
all those complaints about MW2 haven't stopped it from being the biggest multiplayer game around, regularly topping Xbox Live's most played games until Reach came out the other day. I do agree that COD4 is stronger but I like COD4 a lot, so MW2 has plenty of wiggle room. I would be absolutely floored if it lost its round 1 match and expect it to be closer than MW2 than Dissidia will be to it.
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transients | Posted 10/6/2010 4:36:28 PM | message detail
er, closer to KH2.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/6/2010 4:36:33 PM | message detail
People don't really connect with Drake relative to other games, it was one of the reason why I went with The Boss.

I really don't agree with this. Whenever someone talks about Uncharted, they almost always talk about their love for Drake and his sarcastic quips during the game.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 4:38:49 PM | message detail
Halo-hate never stopped Halo from being so huge, either. Besides, didn't you suggest people were anti-voting MW2 for Uncharted 2 and DA:O in the final-GotY?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/6/2010 4:41:20 PM | message detail
The real tough match for me is Legend of Dragoon Vs. Sonic Adventure 2. I really don't think LoD can advance 2 rounds, but then again, Sonic Adventure 2 doesn't deserve to advance past the first round! I went with Sonic, but I'm really considering on changing this.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/6/2010 4:42:37 PM | message detail
I haven't observed this hate for MW2 so much as disappointment. It's more like Brawl than Halo in that area- many SSB fans seemed a little disappointed with Brawl, and many CoD fans with MW2, but the vocal group that hates Brawl is very small. The group that hates Halo is very large and consists almost entirely of non-Halo/Xbox fans. Especially Nintendo fans. Halo was the enemy.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/6/2010 4:44:43 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #309
Halo-hate never stopped Halo from being so huge, either.


Considering how well Halo 1 did last contest, this is not an argument you want to make in favor of MW2.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/6/2010 4:46:02 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #311
I haven't observed this hate for MW2 so much as disappointment. It's more like Brawl than Halo in that area- many SSB fans seemed a little disappointed with Brawl, and many CoD fans with MW2, but the vocal group that hates Brawl is very small.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/wii/928518-super-smash-bros-brawl
http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/951942-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2

Look at those scores. You can't compare them at all.

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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/6/2010 4:46:28 PM | message detail

From: MegatokyoEd | #308
I really don't agree with this. Whenever someone talks about Uncharted, they almost always talk about their love for Drake and his sarcastic quips during the game.


That's why I find it so weird that Drake can be so AWFUL in the Character Battle and yet his game remains pretty popular. One of reasons Uncharted 2 is good is because Nathan Drake is such a fun, relatable protagonist throughout the entire game. Unlike Halo(where Chief is mostly a silent, faceless avatar), I just can't see somebody loving UC2 and NOT enjoying Nathan.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/6/2010 4:48:19 PM | message detail
Hmm, fair point about the review scores. But it's still not comparable to Halo either. Halo hate had nothing to do with the quality of the game.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 4:48:34 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #310
The real tough match for me is Legend of Dragoon Vs. Sonic Adventure 2.


I don't see picking the right winner of SA2B/SF4 being more than just a one-point issue. If you have LoD beating Uncharted 2, I don't see why you would have any issues taking it to whatever wins the Halo four-pack.


From: red sox 777 | #311
I haven't observed this hate for MW2 so much as disappointment.


I can't say much anecdotal evidence from how fans have received it...but I don't think Halo-hate's been the same since CoD4 came out. 4chan did rally against MC at GameSpot's contest, but now that it's not the #1 series and Activision's become such an easy target, I think a lot of outsiders (like what you mentioned with Halo) are hopping trains.
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transients | Posted 10/6/2010 4:49:00 PM | message detail
are you really using the PC score of MW2 to support your argument? there's a damn good reason for that score being so low.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/951944-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2 -- that's more like it. not that it's a great score, but all shooters get downvoted here. MW2 won GOTY here, it's not overhated.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 10/6/2010 4:49:25 PM | message detail
Yes look at the review scores.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/951944-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2

oh
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This is the kind of **** that allowed the Bhopal incident to happen. 5,000 dead Indians. Want that on your damn conscience, Square apologists?
The Mana Sword | Posted 10/6/2010 4:49:54 PM | message detail
CURSE YOU TRANSIENCE
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This is the kind of **** that allowed the Bhopal incident to happen. 5,000 dead Indians. Want that on your damn conscience, Square apologists?
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/6/2010 4:49:55 PM | message detail
So did Super Mario Galaxy.

I'm not saying it's losing to Dissidia, but if had any sort of debatable match I would pick against it in a heartbeat.

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charmander6000 | Posted 10/6/2010 4:50:39 PM | message detail
You also have to realize that there are voters that will vote without knowing at least one of the characters. Nathan Drake looks like some generic guy while Uncharted 2 has some name value (for the time being, it'll probably crash soon if Uncharted 3 doesn't come out)
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 4:51:11 PM | message detail
To be fair, KP used the PC-version of MW2. Not like the PS3/360-versions are on-par with SSBB, but that's clearly worse for MW2.


From: KamikazePotato | #312
Considering how well Halo 1 did last contest, this is not an argument you want to make in favor of MW2.


I was meaning in world success...not so much contest-strength.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/6/2010 4:51:55 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #321
You also have to realize that there are voters that will vote without knowing at least one of the characters. Nathan Drake looks like some generic guy while Uncharted 2 has some name value (for the time being, it'll probably crash soon if Uncharted 3 doesn't come out)


Oh don't worry, Uncharted 3 is coming Fall 2011 ^_^
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/6/2010 4:52:16 PM | message detail
I'm not saying it's losing to Dissidia, but if had any sort of debatable match I would pick against it in a heartbeat.

I agree I was kind of sad that both CoD games had such easy paths.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/6/2010 4:56:03 PM | message detail
I was actually thinking about LoD getting to Halo and losing, but other people's confidence in UC2 (some people taking it to and beyond Fallout for whatever reason) is making me leary on pulling the trigger on that one.
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transients | Posted 10/6/2010 4:57:10 PM | message detail
I will be floored if LOD comes close to winning that one.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 4:58:01 PM | message detail
I would have enjoyed seeing either CoD-game in MP's division. Switch it with L4D, and you just made a crazy division nuttier while giving two games previously doomed a chance to advance in a much more debatable match.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/6/2010 4:59:30 PM | message detail
The way I look at it, Legend of Dragoon defeated Mario Kart DS without any sort of help. I would pretty easily take Mario Kart DS over Uncharted 2, so I definitely see Legend of Dragoon being strong enough to take out Uncharted 2 (and SA2/SF4).
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DomaDragoon | Posted 10/6/2010 5:01:14 PM | message detail
while Uncharted 2 has some name value (for the time being, it'll probably crash soon if Uncharted 3 doesn't come out)

Or the game of the year edition that comes out on Tuesday.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 5:01:20 PM | message detail
You can force an argument for a string of fun LoD-upsets, but I don't think it's worth it. LoD's still resting uneasy with me though; I don't trust SW:B2 and MKDS still being near GoW's strength...but if it is, then LoD may cost most of us three-seven points. Either way, I don't think Uncharted 2's going to just put LoD away without question.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 5:01:48 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #328
The way I look at it, Legend of Dragoon defeated Mario Kart DS without any sort of help. I would pretty easily take Mario Kart DS over Uncharted 2, so I definitely see Legend of Dragoon being strong enough to take out Uncharted 2 (and SA2/SF4).


I think there were two other Nintendo games there, bud!
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/6/2010 5:02:59 PM | message detail
The way I look at it, Legend of Dragoon defeated Mario Kart DS without any sort of help.

Fire Emblem? Pikmin?

lol 12-ways? I really doubt 50% of voters have even heard of the game, it was another RPG during the RPG wave. I'd more quickly compare it to Chrono Cross or Xenogears, but those games were stuck behind FF games.
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transients | Posted 10/6/2010 5:03:00 PM | message detail
yeah I don't think MKDS is worth much of anything. it isn't 2005 anymore.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/6/2010 5:04:40 PM | message detail
Beating a handheld Mario Kart game means something? really?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/6/2010 5:05:59 PM | message detail
Oh crap, I looked up that poll earlier and could have sworn there wasn't any other Nintendo representation there. My bad.

Still taking the upset though.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/6/2010 5:10:39 PM | message detail
Chrono Cross or Xenogears would beat Uncharted 2, and probably easily. CC got 6% in the Game of the Decade poll with FFX there, and Xenogears once beat Pokemon GSC (a very different GSC, I know). If Legend of Dragoon is close to those games, it won't have a problem.

It isn't, but winning a 12-way poll is still pretty good. The vote-ins were surprisingly accurate last contest, and the 13-seeds beat up the 4-seeds pretty badly in the contest.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/6/2010 5:11:10 PM | message detail
lol 12-ways? I really doubt 50% of voters have even heard of the game, it was another RPG during the RPG wave. I'd more quickly compare it to Chrono Cross or Xenogears, but those games were stuck behind FF games.

I would accept that argument if it wasn't for the fact that it completely demolished 3 of those RPGs by itself (SMT, SO3, Suikoden V). Even with all those other Sony jRPGs in the poll, it still beat a mainstream Mario Kart game. You can argue about the other Nintendo reps in the poll, but you can't ignore the other jRPGs there as well.

Either way, I would take Ninja Gaiden to be somewhat close to Uncharted 2, and LoD is much stronger than that game.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/6/2010 5:13:55 PM | message detail
Curious, does anyone else have Battlefront 2 beating Bioshock?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/6/2010 5:14:27 PM | message detail
Ninja Gaiden somewhat close?

Is there any reason to think that at all?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/6/2010 6:05:37 PM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #286
I mean you look at this poll

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3938

And you're like, "Oh wow, SA2 is even with SHENMUE". And I think P4 would beat both SA2 AND SF4.

Arrrrrrrgh


See, the problem with that poll is that it isn't asking, "Which of these games is your favorite?" It's asking, "What game do you want ported to the 360/PS3?" There's a difference. A lot of people already own SA2 on the 'Cube, but Shenmue's been dead for years along with the Dreamcast. It's like that "Which character would you most want to see in Brawl?" poll where Sonic almost beat Cloud. Don't read too much into that one.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/6/2010 6:07:35 PM | message detail
Ryu Hayabusa not being a complete and utter joke like Drake, perhaps? Having many games in the franchise already spanning across many consoles (unlike the PS3 only Uncharted).

Both are from genres this site does not love (3D action games), so any little bit can help. I think people would vote for the Ninja over the archeologist.
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transients | Posted 10/6/2010 6:09:11 PM | message detail
character action characters are way stronger than their games. FPS/TPS characters are way weaker than their games.

comparing Drake to Hayabusa is the worst idea.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/6/2010 6:10:49 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #336
Chrono Cross or Xenogears would beat Uncharted 2, and probably easily.


Whoa there.

Whoa there.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/6/2010 6:11:47 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #341
Ryu Hayabusa not being a complete and utter joke like Drake, perhaps? Having many games in the franchise already spanning across many consoles (unlike the PS3 only Uncharted).

Both are from genres this site does not love (3D action games), so any little bit can help. I think people would vote for the Ninja over the archeologist.


You cannot find a poll where Ninja Gaiden does well.

It can't be done.
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AppreciateTrees | Posted 10/6/2010 6:12:04 PM | message detail
Does Halo have any chance at all against Mario Sunshine?
pjbasis | Posted 10/6/2010 6:13:07 PM | message detail
Nope.

People seem to keep forgetting.

It's Super Mario Sunshine Vs. Halo.
MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/6/2010 6:27:20 PM | message detail
And people seem to be forgetting it's Super Mario Sunshine. Galaxy didn't even do that great in the last contest and Sunshine will be a million times worse.
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transients | Posted 10/6/2010 6:27:40 PM | message detail
Sunshine's got this.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/6/2010 6:28:37 PM | message detail
You cannot find a poll where Ninja Gaiden does well.

It can't be done.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2986

This is about as close as you're going to get between the two. 2000 votes separate them, and that may change due to new releases for both. They're pretty close to each other in strength. I'm reconsidering taking NG over Uncharted, but I'm convinced now that LoD will beat Uncharted 2.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3684

Doesn't that scream contest strength to you! Losing to Dragon Age and Borderlands does not give me any sort of confidence in UC2's supposed strength.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/6/2010 6:28:43 PM | message detail
See when people stack up Sunshine vs. Halo, even with Halo's considerable history, Sunshine still makes me cringe more. Bottom 10 Game in the bracket right there.

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