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charmander6000 | Posted 10/6/2010 11:05:53 AM | message detail
Last contest it seems that FFXII was stronger than Portal and I'm surprised the opposite is the consensus or at least it isn't more close.

I'm banking on Valve giving Portal for free and Portal 2 for the upset.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/6/2010 11:08:14 AM | message detail
Although Assassin's Creed has done a little better: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3722
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3684
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4047

Still, if you think highly of AC2, then take Arkham Asylum deep into the contest!
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/6/2010 11:08:36 AM | message detail
And it's like people forget this poll exists: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1128

I mean, I know it's from 2002 and all, but Sunshine's legacy has not exactly grown over time either.


Well Metroid Prime was the only answer in that poll while SMS hate was pretty big back then until people just forgot about it.

Animal Crossing also had its own unique fanbase at the time.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 10/6/2010 11:10:11 AM | message detail
From what I know Super Mario Sunshine got boatloads of critical acclaim when it was released (in fact at Gamerankings it's 2% above SSBM), but then was quick to receive backlash from fans afterwards.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/6/2010 11:10:39 AM | message detail
I don't think people have forgotten about Sunshine. It's not one of those things where its legacy has just blown over. And this thing isn't going to be anywhere close to Galaxy, so I'm not sure why we think it can beat Halo, even if it is Halo.

Also, what the heck just happened to the board?
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pjbasis | Posted 10/6/2010 11:11:42 AM | message detail
PSP game over PS2 game?

Sure everyone with a psp bought crisis core...but still it's a main series FF game! Can't lose to spinoff, even if it's FF7!
charmander6000 | Posted 10/6/2010 11:16:24 AM | message detail
PSP game over PS2 game?

Sure everyone with a psp bought crisis core...but still it's a main series FF game! Can't lose to spinoff, even if it's FF7!


It's Dark Link, sure it really isn't Link, but he has Link in the name.


Though Crisis Core does have fans.
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pjbasis | Posted 10/6/2010 11:19:09 AM | message detail
Yeah it's a little disorienting with that thing up there.

I thought there was a glitch at first.
XxSoulxX | Posted 10/6/2010 11:25:30 AM | message detail
Oh man time to leave this board until like tomorrow. Can't really do anything in this new layout.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/6/2010 11:33:40 AM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #236
Oh, also, was happens to 2009's bracket if HL2 and Portal were equals? Because Portal came away the big winner from the release of the Orange Box despite the two HL2-episodes coming along with it; it won over seventy GotY-awards and beat Bioshock like the Orange Box beat Bioshock in 2007's multi-GotY...and it took until the release of the Orange Box for Gordon to become respectable. If we could just take the people familiar with those games after the release of the Orange Box, I'd take Portal to win that battle...

...and Portal has reason to boost this year, too; Steam straight-up gave it away online for two weeks and apparently gave away millions of copies in just the first few days (maybe even the first day), not to mention Steam's now reaching Macs and Portal 2 releasing in early 2011 for some upcoming hype. I don't think it's unreasonable to see HL2 and Portal be pretty much equal this contest...though the big question becomes how much that's worth in their gauntlets.


Depends where you think TP stands against MGS4 and Fallout 3.

For the record, Portal got ~45% on FO3 in R2 and ~36% against MGS4 in both rounds.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/6/2010 11:34:52 AM | message detail
And considering how close FF12 is to HL2, that comparison would be something worth looking into.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/6/2010 11:35:20 AM | message detail
Well changing the settings worked to make it look better, but now everything is going to look squishy.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 10/6/2010 11:35:53 AM | message detail
I just moved the ads to within the topic/message lists. Everything seems back to normal for me!
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/6/2010 11:38:25 AM | message detail
I hate the add in the message even more, at least on the right I can ignore it.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/6/2010 11:40:41 AM | message detail

From: KanzarisKelshen | #249
amazing music


You're kidding. That entire soundtrack sounds like it came from some terrible Black Mages garage knockoff.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/6/2010 11:41:51 AM | message detail
I have no idea what ad you guys are talking about.

From: LinkMarioSamus | #254
in fact at Gamerankings it's 2% above SSBM


Shut up, LMS.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/6/2010 12:10:50 PM | message detail
lol @ people STILL not having LMS on ignore. When has he ever, EVER added anything useful to the conversation? All he can talk about are list and gamerankings/metacritics.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 10/6/2010 1:12:58 PM | message detail
Crisis Core and Dissidia are certainly wildcards. Conventional wisdom is that they'll be weak due to being handhelds, but both have equally valid arguments for being strong enough to do some damage. Not sure what to think there yet.
HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 1:31:40 PM | message detail
Dissidia's probably a wildcard to some extent, sure, but it's not nearly wild enough for it to beat last year's GotY:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3726

Combine all the Square-options and MW2 still nearly doubles them; heck, DA:O still beats them combined...and it's not like Dissidia dominated those other Square-options, either. Being a PSP-exclusive doesn't help, either, but it's got much bigger problems than that.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/6/2010 2:08:44 PM | message detail
Dissidia is another one of those "How much stock do you put in the name brand?" matches. I don't see how it wins that match.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 10/6/2010 2:17:22 PM | message detail
MW2/Dissidia will be interesting from an Oracle/Spread Betting perspective... but as a match, no chance.

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ZFS | Posted 10/6/2010 2:30:08 PM | message detail
MW2 should wreck Dissidia. That'll be a pretty nice blowout.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/6/2010 2:46:21 PM | message detail
MW2 is insanely hated right now. It's still going to beat Dissidia.

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 2:55:27 PM | message detail
Yeah, not even anti-votes got Uncharted 2 or DA:O that close to it in the final-GotY...and Dissidia was tripled and doubled by them respectively. Those GotY-polls are just nine months old, too, so its age can't come into question. Sure, you can bring up the differences we saw between SSBB/MGS4 from the GotY to BGE2...and you're more than welcome to use that same logic of "Screw recent GotY-polls" if you want to take Dissidia to overcome that quadrupling!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/6/2010 2:57:19 PM | message detail
Speaking of Uncharted 2, how far are you guys taking it? Over Halo/Halo 3/Sunshine/SA2/SFIV? Or what?
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/6/2010 3:00:09 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #274
Speaking of Uncharted 2, how far are you guys taking it? Over Halo/Halo 3/Sunshine/SA2/SFIV? Or what?


Losing to Fallout 3. It impressed me enough in the GOTY polls that I believe it could beat whatever comes out of the big Halo/SMS/SA2/SF4 mess
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/6/2010 3:01:13 PM | message detail
That's what I have right now. I'm pretty confident that it can get past SA2/SFIV, but it's the potential Halo showdown that gives me pause.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/6/2010 3:07:21 PM | message detail
I think you gotta look at how strong UC2 and Halo 3 are in comparison to MW2. Some earlier polls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2994
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3727

Hmm...
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/6/2010 3:08:14 PM | message detail
Well, obviously 2007 is MW1, but I don't see MW1 and 2 being TOO far from each other
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transients | Posted 10/6/2010 3:12:32 PM | message detail
wait, why is MW2 insanely hated? because it's popular and casual?
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SuperAngelo128 | Posted 10/6/2010 3:13:11 PM | message detail

From: transients | #280
wait, why is MW2 insanely hated? because it's popular and casual?


probably cuz they changed a bunch of stuff
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/6/2010 3:13:53 PM | message detail
I wouldn't take anything from the MW/Halo 3 poll. MW probably SFF'd Halo 3 to a large degree. The fanbases of those two games are virtually the same thing. Uncharted 2 stands out more as it's own thing.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/6/2010 3:16:23 PM | message detail
Personally I feel that Uncharted 2 is going to flop so I have it losing to Halo.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/6/2010 3:27:52 PM | message detail
I'm still flipflopping on TF2/Fable and SA2/SF4. I'm leaning on Fable, because its done so well in every poll, plus Fable 3 comes out this month(although the match will be long over before then), and the only time we saw Team Fortress 2 was getting its ass whooped by LFF'd SMG1. But who knows?

And I remember Sonic 1 > SF2, and both SA2/SF4 are weaker than their predecessors, so maybe the same result will happen!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 10/6/2010 3:29:12 PM | message detail
People barely care about SF2 anymore, much less anything that isn't SF2.

Although you could say the same about Sonic!

That's what makes that match so infuriating!
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/6/2010 3:32:42 PM | message detail
I mean you look at this poll

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3938

And you're like, "Oh wow, SA2 is even with SHENMUE". And I think P4 would beat both SA2 AND SF4.

Arrrrrrrgh
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/6/2010 3:34:40 PM | message detail
It's pretty much which game do you think is closer to their 2D counterparts. I went with Sonic.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 10/6/2010 3:41:13 PM | message detail
Fable got quintupled by Halo 2 in '04 (GOTY poll). Somehow I doubt this site cares about it much. TF2 at least made the '09 contest and 'only' got doubled by DPP.

I've gone for SFIV against SA2. It's a match I hate though, and I could see anything happening. SFIV got doubled by GTAIV in '09 (I'd say this is more important than that it was level with Persona 4... we at least have some idea of how strong GTAIV is). I worry about SA2 being in literally one poll since '03, and in it, whilst it had the disadvantage of already being ported to the Gamecube, it didn't leap out to the site much more than PSO and Shenmue. I fully expect to drop a point here.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/6/2010 3:47:13 PM | message detail
Yeah, after looking at those polls I'm thinking there's a high possibility that even if SA2 were at its peak, it's obviously not aged well. Street Fighter IV at least has recent exposure.
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DomaDragoon | Posted 10/6/2010 4:14:36 PM | message detail
wait, why is MW2 insanely hated? because it's popular and casual?

probably cuz they changed a bunch of stuff


I just asked my brother, who has in excess of 200 hours playtime with CoD4 (and has played MW2 for about 20 hours), and he said it's a combination of the kill-streak bonuses being overpowered, you don't take nearly enough damage, and spawncamping/other griefing.

Disclaimer: I have less than one hour combined with those two games, so I have no idea if this is accurate.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 4:17:34 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #275
Speaking of Uncharted 2, how far are you guys taking it? Over Halo/Halo 3/Sunshine/SA2/SFIV? Or what?


Haha, I was tempted by Legend of Dragoon for awhile...but I've got it losing to Halo.


From: TheKoolAidShoto | #278
I think you gotta look at how strong UC2 and Halo 3 are in comparison to MW2. Some earlier polls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2994
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3727


I think CoD4:MW SFF'd Halo 3 there, so I don't view that as entirely accurate. From BGE2, the Halo-games all looked about the same, and none of them looked THAT bad. Halo 3 comparisons to CoD4 through FO3 also suggest Halo 3 indirectly gets ~46.5% on CoD4...which is better than Uncharted 2's 44.92% on MW2 in the final-GotY or 43.72%. Depending on what you think about four-ways, CoD4/MW2, anti-votes, it may be close...but it's also a day-match, which should be Halo's territory to lose since I don't recall Uncharted-anything being good in day-light.


From: transients | #280
wait, why is MW2 insanely hated? because it's popular and casual?


Yes, plus Kotick doesn't do Activision any favors popularity-wise.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3871

If Blizzard wasn't tagged along with Activision, it could have been worse.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/6/2010 4:18:41 PM | message detail
I thought it was because the game screwed over PC people, not that will be too much of a problem on GameFAQs.

Take a look at the user ratings at the bottom

http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/951942-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2/mygames
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/6/2010 4:18:55 PM | message detail
MW2 has been a mess. The game is horribly unbalanced and the servers are ass. Hatred for it has been growing and growing for a while now.

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 4:21:20 PM | message detail
^43.72% from the 2009's overall-GotY.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/6/2010 4:23:19 PM | message detail
My first instinct was to have Uncharted 2 lose to Legend of Dragoon, based on how well it did in the vote-in poll. Looking at those GOTY polls, U2 looks to be somewhere around the level of Halo 3. Pretty much all the vote-in winners did well in the last contest, while Drake did pretty badly, so......
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 4:23:44 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #292
I thought it was because the game screwed over PC people, not that will be too much of a problem on GameFAQs.


Also true -- the PC community got uber-pissed for them ditching the typical server-system. I don't think the PC-community who previously liked the CoD-series on this site is a big community, but you better believe people who didn't like Activision already clung onto this to be mad about anyway.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/6/2010 4:24:35 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #295
My first instinct was to have Uncharted 2 lose to Legend of Dragoon, based on how well it did in the vote-in poll. Looking at those GOTY polls, U2 looks to be somewhere around the level of Halo 3. Pretty much all the vote-in winners did well in the last contest, while Drake did pretty badly, so......


Haha, in fact, Drake lost to a vote-in character last year...could it be two in a row?
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 10/6/2010 4:25:36 PM | message detail
I'm hesitant to fall back on Uncharted 2 because Drake sucked it up in the CB. We've already seen time and time again that character =/= games(although I find it odd in this case, since Nathan Drake is one of my favorite video game protagonists and a big reason why I love UC2). At the very least, it gets to Halo.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/6/2010 4:27:38 PM | message detail
People don't really connect with Drake relative to other games, it was one of the reason why I went with The Boss.
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red sox 777 | Posted 10/6/2010 4:29:19 PM | message detail
I didn't really know what Legend of Dragoon was before that vote-in, but it did win it, so it's got to have some strength.
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