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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 908
MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/26/2010 7:20:01 PM | message detail |
GS has done better against RBY than SSBM did .. With OoT in the poll of course. --- *is Dranze* Dr. Football swept me. |
HaRRicH | Posted 9/26/2010 7:32:02 PM | message detail |
From: MarioSuperstar | #101 Fair point, but LoZ:MM was in GS's match against RBY too. I'm not saying LoZ:OoT = LoZ:MM or SFF-matches are completely reasonable to measure by, but it's what we got and we saw RBY beat SSBM handily in that poll anyway. Is it really some push that GS could do well on SSBM anyway? --- Epona: shaped like a horse to eat some oats. http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/26/2010 7:34:10 PM | message detail |
Fair
point, but LoZ:MM was in GS's match against RBY too. I'm not saying
LoZ:OoT = LoZ:MM or SFF-matches are completely reasonable to measure
by, but it's what we got and we saw RBY beat SSBM handily in that poll
anyway. Is it really some push that GS could do well on SSBM anyway? If OoT is in the same poll then no. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2010 8:01:34 PM | message detail |
GS
could do well on SSBM- it's probably closer in strength to SSBM than
RBY is, actually. I don't know that I'd trust the comparisons in the
matches with RBY, but it should be noted that most people did expect GS
to collapse from the weight of Triple SFF, whereas most people did not
expect SSBM to collapse from Triple SFF. Most Oracle pickers had SSBM
ahead of RBY, I believe. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 8:25:50 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #092 Hey look, it's FF > Zelda logic all over again! --- Support Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers) for Character Battle IX! http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9302/banner5morrigan2.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 8:28:20 PM | message detail |
And
seriously, please stop using how Nintendo games performed against OoT.
There's really no way of quantifying the value of Nintendo games when
they face OoT. (GoldenEye > Mario 64, right guys) --- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?" "I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2010 8:31:28 PM | message detail |
Eh,
that logic isn't that bad. The real problem with FF > Zelda is that
we assumed that a diverse fanbase helps, and that FFVII > OOT. OOT > FFVII LTTP > FFX FFVI > Zelda 1 FFVIII > WW FFIX = MM FFIV = LA Zelda > FF doesn't seem so strange like that, does it? The diversity argument (that many people like some FF games but not others) is really what fell flat on its face. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 8:34:48 PM | message detail |
Yeah, but the point is people don't take all that effort to think through it when they vote. "Let's see. Do I like FFVII better than OoT? Okay. Do I like LTTP more than FFX? Okay, do I like FFVI more than Zelda 1?" Not to mention, FF/Mario kind of throws a wrench into that anyway because FFVII kicks the crap out of any Mario game, and while 3/World/64 could possibly beat any other FF game, none of the other games would come that close to beating FFVI, FFVIII, and maybe FFIX. Well, except Mario RPG, I guess. And Mario 1, depending on how much confidence you want to place in it. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 9/26/2010 8:36:09 PM | message detail |
so, anyone wana tell me where the bracket is >>? --- My God, did that predict good! Dr_Football-l-l it no goin' and you tell me do things, I done runnin'... |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 8:36:21 PM | message detail |
Plus, what Mega Man games beat SMK or MK64? Maybe none of them. I just don't think you can weigh series' strength that way. --- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?" "I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 9/26/2010 8:36:45 PM | message detail |
If we don't get the bracket tomorrow, I will kidnap the next poster. YOU HEAR THAT BACON! THEIR LIFE IS IN YOUR HANDS! --- I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 8:36:58 PM | message detail |
HEELPP MEEEE MARIOOOOOOO --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2010 8:42:44 PM | message detail |
Hmm..... FFVII >>> SM64 SMW > FFX SMB3 > FFVI SMB > FFVIII SMRPG > FFIX MK64 > FFIV Maybe I can begin to understand how Mario got close to FF in that match. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 8:44:31 PM | message detail |
Mario Kart 64 doesn't count! Mario 3 + Mario 3 + Mario 1 =~ FFX + FFVI + FFVIII Not taking Mario 1 to be that high because I don't think FFVIII is that far from FFVI, and I don't think Mario 1 is that close to the others. --- http://img.imgcake.com/ultigardenpngba.png |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2010 8:44:36 PM | message detail |
Of
course, back in 2006, we had no idea SMW and SM64 were so beastly, so
of course if we used this method back then, it would have told us of an
easy FF win. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2010 8:48:12 PM | message detail |
Mario Kart 64 doesn't count! While some voters would have discounted it, I'm sure a lot of voters also decided to include the Kart, RPG, Party, Tennis, etc. games when making their vote. So I guess it counts partially. Mario 3 + Mario 3 + Mario 1 =~ FFX + FFVI + FFVIII Not taking Mario 1 to be that high because I don't think FFVIII is that far from FFVI, and I don't think Mario 1 is that close to the others. I'd put Mario 1 above 45% on Mario 3 based on Zelda 1 (as good a read as we have on that game), and yes I messed that up. SMW > SMB3 > FFX > FFVIII > SMB > FFVI, so Mario still wins all 3 matchups. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 8:49:03 PM | message detail |
Or rather Mario 64, not Mario 1 there. ...And are we saying Prime and Super Metroid would've beaten RBY and the rest of the Pokemon series back in 2006? --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 8:49:58 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #116 I think the overall difference is negligible and the huge gap caused by FFVII kinda shifts the balance a good bit in FF's favor anyway. --- Support Otacon (Metal Gear Solid) for Character Battle IX! http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1950/banner4otacon.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2010 8:52:13 PM | message detail |
...And are we saying Prime and Super Metroid would've beaten RBY and the rest of the Pokemon series back in 2006? Who knows? GSC got 42% on Xenogears in 2004. RBY was our #3 game in 2009. 2006 is a little closer to 2004 than 2009. I mean, I agree that we shouldn't take the adding up all the games method too seriously, but it's usually not that bad. Series unity/respect is really important too, since people consider the series as a whole. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 8:54:37 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #119 In terms of time, but the demographic of the site is a lot closer to 2009 than it was to 2004. Also, which SF games beat Oblivion and Morrowind, especially by enough to cause a 65/35? And I'm thinking the combined strength of GTA should be enough to combat WoW, especially here! --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2010 8:54:41 PM | message detail |
I
think the overall difference is negligible and the huge gap caused by
FFVII kinda shifts the balance a good bit in FF's favor anyway. Well, Mario continues winning the comparisons as you go further down, mainly because FF runs out of games while Mario still has hundreds of spinoff games to burn through. But FF did win after all, so that's fine. If the advantage FF has over Mario comes only from FFVII, then it doesn't seem so strange to me that Mario can break 44%. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 8:55:58 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #121 Well, those hundreds of spinoffs should give Mario enough strength to beat Zelda, even! --- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX! http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/26/2010 8:57:52 PM | message detail |
Who knows? GSC got 42% on Xenogears in 2004. RBY was our #3 game in 2009. 2006 is a little closer to 2004 than 2009. What? Pokemon in 2006 was much closer to 2009 compare to 2004. Pokemon was very much hated in 2004. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2010 8:58:22 PM | message detail |
In terms of time, but the demographic of the site is a lot closer to 2009 than it was to 2004. Not sure about that. Western games have gained a lot of ground here since 2006. As far as Nintendo vs. Square goes, 2006 is closer to 2009 than 2004, but that doesn't say too much about Pokemon. Also, which SF games beat Oblivion and Morrowind, especially by enough to cause a 65/35? SF2 would beat either of those easily......probably considerably worse in 2006 than now. And I'm thinking the combined strength of GTA should be enough to combat WoW, especially here! WoW + Warcraft 1-3 --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2010 8:59:49 PM | message detail |
What? Pokemon in 2006 was much closer to 2009 compare to 2004. Pokemon was very much hated in 2004. And not in 2006? All we saw of Pokemon in 2006 was the Series Contest and Nidoran F- impossible to say where it was. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/26/2010 9:00:21 PM | message detail |
Not
sure about that. Western games have gained a lot of ground here since
2006. As far as Nintendo vs. Square goes, 2006 is closer to 2009 than
2004, but that doesn't say too much about Pokemon. Except that it was obvious that Pokemon hate was dead by 2006. It's not like Super Metroid or Metroid Prime are powerhouses either. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 9/26/2010 9:01:14 PM | message detail |
Glad to see Gamefaqs knows what the best game this month is. --- Albion Hero |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/26/2010 9:01:50 PM | message detail |
And not in 2006? All we saw of Pokemon in 2006 was the Series Contest and Nidoran F- impossible to say where it was. You don't need contests matches to know that Pokemon was no longer hated. You can just feel it from the site/the real world. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 9/26/2010 9:02:17 PM | message detail |
Or nm... apparently Fallout got the board vote over Kirby o.O --- Albion Hero |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 9:02:40 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #124 I was speaking in terms of Nintendo, especially Pokemon, of which it is definitely true. Pokemon doesn't touch Metroid in 2004. WoW + Warcraft 1-3 Which I don't think would beat the added weight of GTAIII-San Andreas, because Warcraft 1-3 would probably be pretty weak while GTAIII-SA are at least low midcarders. SF2 would beat either of those easily......probably considerably worse in 2006 than now. Ehhhh, SFII got beat pretty handily by Sonic 1 (44.48%). Morrowind got 38.20% on MGS2, which I'd take over Sonic 1. Oblivion got 43.99% on MGS3, which I definitely take over Sonic 1 without even thinking twice. --- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/26/2010 9:02:54 PM | message detail |
Glad to see Gamefaqs knows what the best game this month is. Don't look now, but Kirby's Epic Yarn is barely ahead of Fallout: New Vegas here. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as Dr_Football, Guru Champ! |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2010 9:03:11 PM | message detail |
Except that it was obvious that Pokemon hate was dead by 2006. How so? You mean in real life? I dunno about that- would say that it's been a gradual process there too. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 9:03:52 PM | message detail |
Kirby's Epic Yarn got dis --- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/26/2010 9:03:56 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #114 Mario 7 = FF24? --- Wylvane maplejet is a horrible user. |
NoDicePwn | Posted 9/26/2010 9:04:37 PM | message detail |
Don't look now, but Kirby's Epic Yarn is barely ahead of Fallout: New Vegas here. Yeah, when I voted with about 100 total votes, New Vegas had like 25% and Kirby had like 18%. I thought this board loved Kirby. --- Albion Hero |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 9:04:42 PM | message detail |
Whoops, I realize that should've been Mario 3 + Mario World + Mario 64 Hurray proofreading --- Please sign up to support the 2010 Nomination Rally Tournament winners! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55967577 |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/26/2010 9:05:04 PM | message detail |
Overall, it will be a close match regardless. --- *is Dranze* Dr. Football swept me. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 9:05:14 PM | message detail |
From: NoDicePwn | #135 This isn't a contest match. There isn't exactly a Board 8 rush. --- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2010 9:05:20 PM | message detail |
Ehhhh,
SFII got beat pretty handily by Sonic 1 (44.48%). Morrowind got 38.20%
on MGS2, which I'd take over Sonic 1. Oblivion got 43.99% on MGS3,
which I definitely take over Sonic 1 without even thinking twice. Well, that's also the year Street Fighter 4 almost lost to Persona 4. Persona 4.....unbelievable. And would anyone really take Metroid to even get close to Pokemon now? If not, there's been a big shift on this site regarding Pokemon since 2006. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 9:06:50 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #139 And that's the point. And would anyone really take Metroid to even get close to Pokemon now? If not, there's been a big shift on this site regarding Pokemon since 2006. I always flipflop on this one, because we all want to take Pokemon > Metroid without even thinking twice because of how good Pokemon has done from 2007 on. I just find it strange that Pokemon would've gained so much ground in that amount of time. Although I guess it's more like Pokemon hasn't fallen as much as the rest of Nintendo has. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/26/2010 9:06:58 PM | message detail |
How so? You mean in real life? I dunno about that- would say that it's been a gradual process there too. Not to be mean... Have you been living under a rock or do you stick under the stats for too long? 2006 was vastly different than 2004 for pokemon, there's no discussion to that. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/26/2010 9:07:27 PM | message detail |
Did you guys just spent the last fifty posts or so arguing series =/= games? Are you guys that desperate for the bracket? --- Wylvane Heroic Bigpun is a horrible user. |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/26/2010 9:07:40 PM | message detail |
Sometime
during the second and third minute of this poll, Kirby's Epic Yarn took
the lead over Fallout: New Vegas very briefly. Fallout is back in the
lead again at the end of the board vote and I expect that to hold for
the rest of the poll. Kirby should collapse overnight. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as Dr_Football, Guru Champ! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 9:07:40 PM | message detail |
And SFII wasn't even that strong in 2004, as it is. SFA and SFIII aren't going to add much of anything to it. --- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?" "I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 9:08:31 PM | message detail |
From: Not_Wylvane | #142 I'm not sure what's wrong with discussing this, even if we'll never have another Series Contest! Not like there's anything relevant to talk about! --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/26/2010 9:08:39 PM | message detail |
STREET FIGHTER II LOST? --- Wylvane whatisurnameplz is a horrible user. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/26/2010 9:08:57 PM | message detail |
Epic job, Epic Yarn! --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/26/2010 9:09:24 PM | message detail |
We can always talk about the Gamespot Contest! Boy, those Pac-Man Ghosts sure ranked high in the x-stats! --- Wylvane CombuskenEngine is a horrible user. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/26/2010 9:09:57 PM | message detail |
From: Not_Wylvane | #148 From: LeonhartFour | #145 --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about PW/Jecht |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/26/2010 9:10:03 PM | message detail |
2006 was vastly different than 2004 for pokemon, there's no discussion to that. And 2009 was vastly different from 2006! As for SF2, I thought it did fine in 2004. Using the series = sum of games method, it also has a big advantage over Elder Scrolls in that after TES runs out of games, SF still has loads of games/versions left. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
