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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2010 12:28:41 PM | message detail
I nominate Squall every year despite knowing he's a lock to get in and get a high seed.

I don't blame people for nominating their favorite character, even if it is Link or Cloud.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 12:30:12 PM | message detail
I think it's also possible that people didn't use up all their nominations, meaning there might have been more unique nominators. Speaking of which, I still have 7 nominations left for this contest.......Either way, yeah, really impressive total for Link there when people ought to know he's the 6-time contest champ.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 9/18/2010 12:31:14 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #252
I think it's also possible that people didn't use up all their nominations, meaning there might have been more unique nominators. Speaking of which, I still have 7 nominations left for this contest.......Either way, yeah, really impressive total for Link there when people ought to know he's the 6-time contest champ.


Rock Band 2, seriously.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2010 12:32:04 PM | message detail
Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily an indication of less people nominating, but of people nominating less. I had a hard time thinking of 15 games I wanted to nominate.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/18/2010 12:32:47 PM | message detail
Low nominations is a good thing for this contest. Casual people are much more likely to forget about older games and nominate stuff that's come out in the past two years.

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Haste_2 | Posted 9/18/2010 12:39:33 PM | message detail
Exactly. I have some concern about Pokemon GSC not making it, despite the high amount of nominations from Board 8.

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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/18/2010 2:45:30 PM | message detail
1853 nominations... whoa. If there were 50,000 nominations, with 10 noms for each user on average, that means more than 1 in 3 nominated Link. That also means at least 1 in 3 are either blind Link fanboys, or they just don't get the concept of trying to nominate characters that aren't a shoo-in.

The 1853 nominations for Link was for the last Character Battle and that had around 90000 nominations. This was reported by Bacon right here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/11-sballin/52710410
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/18/2010 2:59:07 PM | message detail
With nominations closing soon I've taken the updated tally topic and created a bracket, I just merely went down the list so any match-ups are purely coincidental. Taking a quick look it seems the board should have organized itself on which Castlevania and Fire Emblem game to support. Also Umineko's chances at reaching the bracket is pretty low, especially if we're going to have a vote-in.

Division 1

1) WWF No Mercy
16) Animal Crossing

8) Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
9) Silent Hill 2

5) Bioshock
12) Grand Theft Auto III

4) Super Smash Bros. Brawl
13) Left 4 Dead 2

6) Kingdom Hearts II
11) TimeSplitters 2

3) Marvel vs. Capcom 2
14) Final Fantasy IV

7) Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
10) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

2) Batman: Arkham Asylum
15) Final Fantasy X-2

Division 2

1) Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
16) RollerCoaster Tycoon 2

8) Fallout 3
9) Street Fighter IV

5) Valkyria Chronicles
12) Punch-Out!!

4) The World Ends With You
13) The Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition

6) Conker’s Bad Fur Day
11) Mario Kart DS

3) Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3
14) Viewtiful Joe

7) Wii Sports
10) Baldur’s Gate II: Shadows of Amn

2) Final Fantasy IX
15) Psychonauts

Division 3

1) Super Mario Galaxy
16) Super Mario Shunshine

8) Deus Ex
9) Mass Effect

5) Mother 3
12) BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger

4) Diablo II: Lord of Destruction
13) Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen

6) Kingdom Hearts
11) Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII

3) Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations
14) Cave Story

7) Perfect Dark
10) Metroid: Zero Mission

2) Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
15) Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards

Division 4

1) Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4
16) The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

8) Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
9) Link’s Crossbow Training

5) F-Zero GX
12) Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia

4) Mario Party 2
13) Plants vs. Zombies

6) Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
11) Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow

3) Mega Man 9
14) Dissidia: Final Fantasy

7) Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
10) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

2) The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask
15) ICO
charmander6000 | Posted 9/18/2010 2:59:18 PM | message detail
Division 5

1) Final Fantasy X
16) The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons

8) Elite Beat Agents
9) Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow

5) Eternal Darkness: Sanity’s Requiem
12) Dead Rising

4) Paper Mario
13) Pikmin 2

6) Skies of Arcadia: Legends
11) Beyond Good & Evil

3) Devil May Cry 3: Dante’s Awakening
14) Dynasty Warriors 4

7) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
10) Suikoden V

2) Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
15) Golden Sun: The Lost Age

Division 6

1) Super Smash Bros. Melee
16) Spyro: Year of the Dragon

8) Half-Life 2
9) Ogre Battle 64

5) Suikoden III
12) Banjo-Tooie

4) Civilization IV
13) Star Wars: Battlefront II

6) Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
11) God of War

3) Shadow of the Colossus
14) Borderlands

7) Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald
10) Katamari Damacy

2) Okami
15) LittleBigPlanet

Division 7

1) Resident Evil 4
16) SoulCalibur II

8) God Hand
9) Rock Band 2

5) Umineko no Naku Koro ni
12) World of Warcraft

4) Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
13) Tales of Vesperia

6) Fire Emblem
11) Mario & Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story

3) Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
14) Assassin’s Creed II

7) Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
10) Braid

2) Metroid Prime
15) New Super Mario Bros. Wii

Division 8

1) Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
16) Advance Wars

8) Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
9) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

5) Chrono Cross
12) Demon’s Souls

4) Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum
13) Mario Kart Wii

6) Golden Sun
11) Warcraft III

3) Tales of Symphonia
14) Dynasty Warriors 5

7) Team Fortress 2
10) The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

2) Portal
15) Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 7:58:16 PM | message detail
What kind of percentages would you expect for Samus vs. Crono? That would be a nice "normal" Noble Nine matchup, with no SFF or other oddities likely. Unfortunately there's no debate as to the winner, even from me who insists that Crono has some chance against Mario.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2010 7:58:58 PM | message detail
Hmmm...

Probably 57/43 or so, I guess.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:12:22 PM | message detail
57% sounds about right after Other M. I'd go with 55% (what Samus got in 2008 with Vincent and Pikachu) in the case that Other M does nothing for her.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:14:55 PM | message detail
I could see Samus breaking 60%. It feels like every year should be *the year* Crono finally falls off a cliff, but he just manages to do enough to stay on the edge.

My little brother (whose first Metroid was Prime in Prime Trilogy) seems to really like Other M, so there's actually a possibility that Samus could see a boost. Assuming Other M neither helps nor hurts her though, 57/43 sounds about right for a 24-hour match.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:18:36 PM | message detail
Never mind I am bad at reading columns. Crono is not Pikachu and Samus is not Vincent. This is useful I'm sure.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:25:56 PM | message detail
Well, I don't think there really is a cliff so much as a slope. This year is not so different from last year, or the next year, that Crono's going to weaken much faster in any of them. CT probably made appreciable falls from 2004 to 2005, 2005 to 2006, and 2006 to 2007. If there was a collapse year for CT, it was probably 2007, and CTDS is what has stabilized it and probably brought it up a bit since then.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2010 8:27:57 PM | message detail
I still don't think CTDS had much of an effect at all, although we don't really have much to work with in 2010 from CT characters since they all sucked and lost in round 1.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:29:35 PM | message detail
And speaking of gradual declines, look for OOT to start down that path fairly soon. CT came out in 1995, and started falling in 2005. FFVII came out in 1997, and looks like it started falling in earnest in perhaps 2008 (the first year we noticed its day vote had weakened). OOT came out in 1998, though it's probably cushioned by a few years by having a younger audience that played it than the 2 Square RPGs.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2010 8:30:36 PM | message detail
Ocarina of Time is actually going to get a remake that'll sell well though, so that should cancel a lot of that out.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:31:44 PM | message detail
I still don't think CTDS had much of an effect at all, although we don't really have much to work with in 2010 from CT characters since they all sucked and lost in round 1.

Well, at the least, Crono and Frog looked a bit better in 2008 than 2007, whereas they'd looked substantially worse in each of the previous 3 years.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2010 8:32:51 PM | message detail
Crono and Frog looked about the same. Crono managing to beat Vincent feels like it was more on Vincent than on Crono actually improving (As you just said, this was the year we started noticing somewhat of a decline in FFVII's day vote).
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:43:56 PM | message detail
Did Frog really look better in 2008 than 2007? You replaced Midna with Ganondorf and Frog managed just over a 5% increase on Samus. Frog's first-round match with Ganondorf looked good at the time, but since that match Ganondorf's record is:

38% on Samus (w/ Frog/Nightmare)
33% on Samus (w/Vincent/Gordon)
58.5% on Mewtwo
64% on a Ken who almost lost to Wesker
Pigdorfed to a 43% on a Sonic who barely outdid Luigi< against Link

In hindsight, 2008 was not a good year at all for Frog. His lone positive is beating KOS-MOS.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:48:58 PM | message detail
It's not just Crono/Vincent- in retrospect, losing to Vincent was actually probably Crono's most impressive match in 2007, and it was in the sprite round (if it does anything for CT) and where he got a massive surge at the start in a very hyped up match. Not even holding 53% against Zero was just awful, really awful. In 2008, Crono put up respectable performances against Ryu, Samus, and Vincent.

Also, Frog improved substantially against Samus in 2008, if you compare the round 2 matches, albeit by replacing Midna with Ganondorf. He went from 27.52% to 33.14%, which taken at face value projects him to get 58.5% on his former self. Of course Ganondorf obviously leeched Samus worse than Midna, but looking at how Vincent did, it didn't look like anything huge. Plus 2008 was the year of the Deboost, but Frog still looks more respectable there than in 2007. He got 42.08% against Scorpion in 2007- that's really bad.

I agree that any boost in 2008 was small and possibly it was just holding steady, but even that is a lot better than freefall. The jury's still out on what happened after CTDS actually came out......2010 = 2008 seems reasonable for now. Who wins- 2008 Ganon or 2010 Bowser?
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/18/2010 8:50:47 PM | message detail
Catching up with the Gamespot topic (lol Gamespot) made me think of this match.

Magus vs Kerrigan. Who would you pick now that SC2 is out and Kerrigan is the soon-to-be Gamespot Villain Contest champ?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2010 8:51:35 PM | message detail
Magus.

I'm not picking Kerrigan to win anything here until she actually does it.

Well, unless she's facing Neku or something.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:52:25 PM | message detail
You can't really hold Ganon's horrid 2010 against Frog in 2008. Link fell off a lot in 2010, but looked fine in 2008.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:52:27 PM | message detail
How big was Kerrigan in Starcraft II? From what I've heard she gets name bombed a lot, but doesn't appear until near the end.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 9/18/2010 8:53:24 PM | message detail
I'm kinda scared about this Youtube guy if Kerrigan gets a match. rallying 6k votes in 15 minutes is no joke.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:55:54 PM | message detail
I'm kinda scared about this Youtube guy if Kerrigan gets a match. rallying 6k votes in 15 minutes is no joke.

Makes you wonder why this hasn't happened more often on GameFAQs.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:56:19 PM | message detail
It'll be just like Magus to lose a 6k lead in the final 15 minutes. Frog put up 62.76% on Kerrigan back in 2007 though. Assuming 60-40 for Magus/Kerrigan now thanks to SC2 and because Magus sucks, that's......10k votes at night, 15k in the day.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2010 8:56:26 PM | message detail
Nobody cares about GameFAQs.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/18/2010 8:57:07 PM | message detail
Didn't you overreact and take a guy who got doubled by a Ganon-leeched Samus over Tifa last character battle, Albion?
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NoDicePwn | Posted 9/18/2010 8:59:00 PM | message detail
I obviously thought Tifa was the favorite, but you gotta take off the wall upset picks sometimes if you want to win the contest (like HARRICH did with RAAM beating Sephiroth). In the offchance that Valve got involved, I woulda been golden.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2010 8:59:31 PM | message detail

From: NoDicePwn | #283
In the offchance that Valve got involved, I woulda been golden.


Keep telling yourself that, darling.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/18/2010 9:00:11 PM | message detail

From: NoDicePwn | #278
I'm kinda scared about this Youtube guy if Kerrigan gets a match. rallying 6k votes in 15 minutes is no joke.


Of course, would he care enough to rally for a GameFAQs contest? It's not like 4chan ever put much effort to our contests compared to Gamespot. Also, would Kerrigan face anybody that could easily withstand that? I think Link would have no trouble laughing off 6k votes for freaking Kerrigan, and I'm sure all the elites and most of the near-elites could as well, barring Kerrigan getting a major boost from SC2.

Though even a small rally could push Kerrigan over, say, Magus. Still don't think rallying would really propel Kerrigan too high, though it's not unprecedented either (Mario vs Cloud, L-Block).
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NoDicePwn | Posted 9/18/2010 9:01:54 PM | message detail
I don't think rallying could get Kerrigan anywhere against established characters, but it could be the dealbreaker against high fodder/low midcard characters, and that may be who she faces next contest since she'd probably get a moderately good seed coming off of Starcraft 2.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 9:02:41 PM | message detail
I obviously thought Tifa was the favorite, but you gotta take off the wall upset picks sometimes if you want to win the contest (like HARRICH did with RAAM beating Sephiroth). In the offchance that Valve got involved, I woulda been golden.

I think you don't, actually. creativename and Yoblazer's way is better- just consistently make good picks. Upset specials are almost by definition bad picks because you don't actually think they are likely to happen. Of course just picking what you think will happen only works if you're a really good predictor, but then, you'll probably only win the contest if you're a really good predictor anyway, or you get really lucky, which you can't control.

Or at least, that's what I'm telling myself after years of trying to catch upset specials and not succeeding at it.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2010 9:04:13 PM | message detail
It's all about "calculated risk." Expecting Valve to rally Gordon to victory isn't a calculated risk.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 9:06:56 PM | message detail
I suppose that makes FFVII > Starcraft in the final really really stupid (though if I was a little smarter, I would have gone with Starcraft > FFVII). Hey, no #2 game had ever placed in a 4-way contest before!
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NoDicePwn | Posted 9/18/2010 9:07:43 PM | message detail
I do agree it was a pretty bad choice though, since the chance of it happening was low... and at this point, I pretty much expect no companies themselves will ever get involved in our contest, for whatever reason. Its got to be one of my worst picks over the years, but you live and learn.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/18/2010 9:10:54 PM | message detail
Picking Gordon to win wasn't really that bad an idea. No different than hoping L-Block would catch lightning in a bottle.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/18/2010 9:11:10 PM | message detail
Instead of lol GameSpot we really should be going lol GameFAQs since nobody cares about our contests.

>_>

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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2010 9:12:12 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #291
Picking Gordon to win wasn't really that bad an idea. No different than hoping L-Block would catch lightning in a bottle.


Those were both "bad" picks from a "calculated risk" perspective. Never bet on rallying.

Besides, you didn't even need to pick L-Block to win a single match to win prize money!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/18/2010 9:13:04 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #292
Instead of lol GameSpot we really should be going lol GameFAQs since nobody cares about our contests.

>_>

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Compare our daily votes and site traffic to theirs.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/18/2010 9:16:37 PM | message detail

From: NoDicePwn | #286
I don't think rallying could get Kerrigan anywhere against established characters, but it could be the dealbreaker against high fodder/low midcard characters, and that may be who she faces next contest since she'd probably get a moderately good seed coming off of Starcraft 2.


Eh, I think Kerrigan could beat high fodder even without rallying at this point. I wouldn't be surprised to see her become another Nathan Drake after SC2.

And you guys do remember that Palmer won a contest, right?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/18/2010 9:17:12 PM | message detail

From: Not_Wylvane | #295
And you guys do remember that Palmer won a contest, right?


No, he didn't.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/18/2010 9:17:25 PM | message detail
Compare our daily votes and site traffic to theirs.

But apparently nobody cares about GameFAQs.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 9:18:07 PM | message detail
Those were both "bad" picks from a "calculated risk" perspective. Never bet on rallying.

Besides, you didn't even need to pick L-Block to win a single match to win prize money!


Don't know about that. Picking L-Block to win + Any sort of competent bracket, which anyone on B8 would make + L-Block winning = Victory

What is the probability of L-Block winning? 1/100? 1/200? 1/1000?

What is the probability of winning the contest normally? There's 200ish Gurus to start with who you figure will have competent brackets, and we have a lot more non-B8 winners than B8 winners, so........it's hard to place your odds above 1/400, even assuming you are a better predictor than most Gurus (we see some really absurd picks from a lot of people). With 40,000 brackets, there's also 400 brackets in the top 1%, which is a mark a lot of people reach a lot in this topic. So if top 1% is typical, that'd also suggest something around a 1/400 chance of winning.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/18/2010 9:19:49 PM | message detail
More people care enough to vote in ours.
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NoDicePwn | Posted 9/18/2010 9:19:59 PM | message detail
Compare our daily votes and site traffic to theirs.

You've got a point on Daily votes, but...

Gamespot: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gamespot.com
Rank: 252

Gamefaqs: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gamefaqs.com
Rank: 573


If Gamespot had the vote somewhere that was much easier to see like Gamefaqs does, I'm pretty sure their votes would kill ours. But you gotta go through several links to reach all the matches and its not very user friendly at all.
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