GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 905
charmander6000 | Posted 9/8/2010 8:24:11 PM | message detail |
You know what 2004 didn't predict? Mario World > Mario 3 So you'd rather go with SFF ridden matches then? --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2010 8:24:29 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #398 I still consider Bowser strong, too! --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2010 8:25:03 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #401 I'm just saying, if you want to bust out 6 year old stats that took place before at least one site shift, if not two, then it's pretty easy to find things that didn't line up. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/8/2010 8:25:21 PM | message detail |
Why not? It's almost exactly what 2k4 predicted coincidentally. But it's not what happened the next 2 rounds. Unless FFI >> FFIV, and we had some MASSIVE rSFF.....massive enough to make Mario/Samus look like a joke even if you believe Samus was still at 56% on Mario in 2005. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2010 8:26:12 PM | message detail |
Heck, according to 2004, Vice City > MGS2, but that didn't happen, and there was no SFF/LFF involved in that match! --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about PW/Jecht |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/8/2010 8:26:45 PM | message detail |
I'm
just saying, if you want to bust out 6 year old stats that took place
before at least one site shift, if not two, then it's pretty easy to
find things that didn't line up. I'm just saying that FF's round 1 match is more likely indictative of its strength. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/8/2010 8:27:27 PM | message detail |
I also called it a coincident for a reason --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2010 8:28:08 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #406 And I'm saying it's probably not because I'm not picking FFVI to beat Mario World any time soon. --- http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2369/mythbattlers.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/8/2010 8:29:01 PM | message detail |
Well,
yes, but you also asked why not, and the reason is the next 2 rounds.
Plus, we've seen the obvious favorite underperform in round 1 a lot,
and that match got an absurd amount of votes to boot. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2010 8:29:55 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #409 Yeah, that was the Battletoads match that 4chan flooded for a while, right? --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/8/2010 8:31:17 PM | message detail |
Personally I blame the future rounds on console SFF by SMW. SMW was easily second only to LttP. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2010 8:32:44 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #411 ...For FFI? Then why did it get crushed by FFIV, which was an SNES game? --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/8/2010 8:33:18 PM | message detail |
It's
hard to tell how strong Mario 3 and Mario World are compared to newer
games, because of that semifinal match. You can make a case that
they're actually pretty weak though- LTTP got 59% on Mario World, and
looking at earlier rounds, LFF between Mario 3 and Mario World was
really small. Of course, I think adding FFVII and LTTP into the picture instead of weak NES games may change things LFF-wise. In earlier matches, there's almost no LFF between Mario 3 and Mario World because just about everyone has played them. But against FFVII and LTTP most of the people who are voting for the Mario games are big Mario fans as opposed to people who like Mario games a little, so you may see a lot more LFF. I doubt it's enough to bring Mario World much above 45% on LTTP (remember, even Sephiroth only drags Cloud down about 6%), but it's hard to say. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/8/2010 8:34:57 PM | message detail |
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/8/2010 8:35:30 PM | message detail |
...For FFI? Then why did it get crushed by FFIV, which was an SNES game? No FFI was SFF by FFIV who was then console SFF by SMW. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2010 8:37:09 PM | message detail |
I
dunno. I have a hard time accepting FFI is legitimately at 45% on Mario
World because I don't think FFVI would only get 55% or less indirectly
on FFIV and especially FFI. --- Support Otacon (Metal Gear Solid) for Character Battle IX! http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1950/banner4otacon.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/8/2010 8:43:52 PM | message detail |
No FFI was SFF by FFIV who was then console SFF by SMW. FFI + FFIV did a lot worse than FFI alone did though, so it has to be more than that. If people have the preference ordering SMW > FFIV > FFI, then they must have already voted for SMW over FFI, so SFF wouldn't be able to make FFI + FFIV do worse than FFIV alone. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/8/2010 9:04:57 PM | message detail |
Maybe
people voted for FF despite liking SMW better because they thought FF
required the support in round 1. This of course makes FF's round 1
performance over inflated making its real value somewhere between 19%
and 45%. Then again if you take a look at matches like Sephiroth/Tifa in round 1 2k8 that result suggests no SFF took place instead of Tifa overperforming. Then again there are several more examples where second (and possibly 3rd and 4th) place characters looked a lot stronger. Still most overperformance tend to happen when first place wins by a large margin. Let's just give FF's votes to FFIV and MM3's votes to SMW and call it a night. So... FFIV vs. Majora's Mask --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2010 9:13:29 PM | message detail |
I'll take Majora's Mask without thinking twice. --- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
Haste_2 | Posted 9/8/2010 10:24:21 PM | message detail |
Saying
FF1 overperformed significantly on SMW just doesn't make sense, IMO. I
think it's more reasonable to say that Mario World got some rSFF on
SMB3, though I wouldn't bet on that either. Really, maybe FF1 is worth nearly 45% on SMB3 today (it got 40.4% in it in Sp2K4), though. Bring up the Nintendo boost, but it can't prove anything about the popularity of individual games, Nintendo or not. Maybe people voted for FF despite liking SMW better because they thought FF required the support in round 1. Interesting theory, but... someone please say what's in my mind regarding why FF1 was so much stronger in the first round! Actually, I may have stated my opinion once. I refuse to say it again. red sox's comment is a clue, though. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2010 10:29:13 PM | message detail |
From: Haste_2 | #420 The OFPUF?! --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
Haste_2 | Posted 9/8/2010 10:37:22 PM | message detail |
....Hm,
Leonhart brings up a good point about FF6's poor performance in
relation to Mario World, comparing their matches to LttP. Mario World
was worth about 41% on Zelda: LttP despite SMB3's presence. Then again,
we saw Zelda lose against three Mario games together, so the leeching
factor may not be a significant factor... ((I wouldn't call it far
fetched; in addition, SMW was expected to get 41% on Zelda: LttP back
in Sp2K4). If FF1 is worth 37% on LttP, then perhaps nothing is too
unexpected. But if FF6 is worth even 41% on Zelda: LttP, that's still a
significant margin above FF1 if you assume the proportion between Mario
World and Zelda: LttP is correct. Hooray for going by memory of past results, using super rough mental math, and using no calculators........ --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
Haste_2 | Posted 9/8/2010 10:38:58 PM | message detail |
OFPUF?! Yes, that's it!!! Please tell me what it is, though. =p --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/8/2010 10:41:29 PM | message detail |
The Obvious First Place Underperformance Factor! Why it happens is unknown, but I remember seeing it happen a bunch in 2008! --- http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2369/mythbattlers.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png |
voltch | Posted 9/9/2010 2:59:27 AM | message detail |
though
in the end those values will probably all have shifted, not
significantly, but it'll be noticeable by the next contest that
includes them. I wouldn't worry too much about the current strength of these games when we don't even know how long it'll be till the next games contest. also in say 2 maybe 3 years time, if say VI hasn't had an updated rerelease or something, do you think it'll drop from a once near elite position to just uppder midcard? --- *Shakes Fist* |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/9/2010 5:44:04 AM | message detail |
Does anyone know if this will be 1vs1 half day or 4 ways again? I guess I wouldn't mind too much sense games seem to have more transitivity on average than characters. --- *is Dranze* Krahen Prophet did a fatality. |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/9/2010 6:30:43 AM | message detail |
Why it happens is unknown, but I remember seeing it happen a bunch in 2008! During elections people strategically vote so maybe it's the same here. I assume that a large portion of voters know that the top two advance. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/9/2010 3:09:56 PM | message detail |
Let's
say whoever wins this GotD contest gets removed and we have a ToC next
time with FFVII, OoT, and FFX removed from the bracket. Who would be the favorite? --- Support Otacon (Metal Gear Solid) for Character Battle IX! http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1950/banner4otacon.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/9/2010 3:15:32 PM | message detail |
Link to the Past or Pokemon RBY depending how long until we get another contest. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/9/2010 3:17:00 PM | message detail |
RBY
will probably be the favorite, followed by LTTP. I'd expect Brawl and
Melee to get a lot of support right now in such a contest, but not if
they lose to FFX. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/9/2010 3:20:41 PM | message detail |
Yeah if FFX wins now I would wait for another Nintendo/Smash boost before even considering them. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
voltch | Posted 9/9/2010 4:33:41 PM | message detail |
R/B/Y will be the B8 choice, I can see the casual pick being far different though. --- Nyoro~n |
Kotetsu534 | Posted 9/9/2010 4:44:28 PM | message detail |
Unless Brawl/Melee crush (i.e. ~55%+) FFX, it's gotta be RBY, especially if GSC looks like the elite I expect it to be. --- Final Fantasy XIII review: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps3/review/R140434.html You're pretty good, Dr_Football. |
HaRRicH | Posted 9/9/2010 4:59:01 PM | message detail |
Yeah, if GSC's in the top five, it's hard not to take RBY as the top step below FF7. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate EPONA here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177 |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/9/2010 5:12:32 PM | message detail |
What about LttP/SM64? --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
Ngamer64 | Posted 9/9/2010 5:17:47 PM | message detail |
Meant to post that the new season of The Show kicked off today, so be sure to listen to Episode One tonight if you haven't already, stats pals! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/56312459 This week featured yoblazer and Ed, but we're looking for new guests to bring on the rest of the season, so post in that topic if you're interested! *eyes HaR and red sox in particular* --- You should search B8 for Dr Football, cool dude and 2010 Guru champion! thengamer.com/guru | thengamer.com/xstats | board8.wikia.com |
voltch | Posted 9/9/2010 5:18:18 PM | message detail |
unless
in 2 years it somehow becomes cool to dislike pokemon again, but i
don't see that happening just yet, the series has way too much momentum
going right now. you'd need a major site change a la gamespot merger to signifcantly alter the voting base in that kind of time. --- *Shakes Fist* |
charmander6000 | Posted 9/9/2010 5:37:12 PM | message detail |
Pokemon doesn't need to be hated, just not as loved as the next coming of Christ. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
voltch | Posted 9/9/2010 6:04:03 PM | message detail |
C/D: It's waaaay easier to create a strong game than it is to create a strong character. --- Uguu~ |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/9/2010 8:05:58 PM | message detail |
From: voltch | #439 Confirm. Compare the caliber of the games popular on GameFAQs to the characters popular here. OoT and FF7 are really solid games, while Link and Cloud... yeah. And with Black/White hype starting up, I wouldn't count on Pokemon dying yet. I think the next contest or two it will just get bigger before finally falling. Look for Pokemon in some form to score a huge upset (excluding Missingno, who wouldn't really surprise anyone if he gets a good run going anyway) in the next character battle. --- Wylvane Heroic Bigpun is a horrible user. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/9/2010 8:06:56 PM | message detail |
You
end up with a lot of popular sequels to popular series on a somewhat
regular basis, so yeah. We don't end up with many original games/series
ending up getting popular around here. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/9/2010 9:16:23 PM | message detail |
Confirm.
Compare the caliber of the games popular on GameFAQs to the characters
popular here. OoT and FF7 are really solid games, while Link and
Cloud... yeah. Wouldn't this argument lead to a deny? --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/10/2010 10:17:39 AM | message detail |
So I had a dream last night that nominations closed. Oh cruel reality, why must you mock me? --- Support Squirtle (Pokemon R/B/Y) for Character Battle IX! http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8463/banner2squirtle.jpg |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 9/10/2010 2:14:55 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #442 The original argument is that it's easier to create a great game than a great character. I'm agreeing by pointing out that the top two games on GameFAQs are solid games that, while both overrated, are still beloved by many and very influential to gaming. Meanwhile, the top two characters here, both from the top two games, are pretty bland and uninspired as far as characters go. Most video game characters suck, which is why avatars like Mario and Link are so strong. People vote for characters mainly for the games they represent, which further argues how few quality characters there are in video games. --- Wylvane beavis666x2 is a horrible user. |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/10/2010 2:24:41 PM | message detail |
Or
that there is very little relation between the quality of characters
and their popularity. If an avatar is enough to be the strongest
character here, it doesn't seem that hard to make a strong character.
Or at least that's how I see it. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/10/2010 2:25:41 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #445 Yeah, but what percentage of our top 25-ish games are from the last decade? What percentage of our top 25-ish characters are from the last decade? --- "Look at the sunrise, and smile." - Regaro |
red sox 777 | Posted 9/10/2010 2:28:31 PM | message detail |
A lot more for games, but that's only because they're sequels. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 9/10/2010 2:28:47 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #447 Hence why it's easier to have a strong game. --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about PW/Jecht |
LOLContests | Posted 9/10/2010 2:42:29 PM | message detail |
Most characters are less popular than the games that they are from, as a general rule. The only exceptions are characters who are icons (Link,Mario, Mega Man, Sonic), or characters with great character design (Snake, Ryu H., Dante). Snake also has the advantage of having an extremely broad fanbase to work with as well (The most diverse on the site probably.) --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Dr. Football beat me, Yesmar in the 2010 Guru Contest! |
LOLContests | Posted 9/10/2010 2:52:49 PM | message detail |
The
reason games are more popular than characters, as a general rule, is
because you can like a game without caring about its characters, but
it's probably a lot harder to get to like a character if you dislike a
game. First of all the character's got to have a personality, as no one's gonna vote for an avatarish character for a game they don't like. Secondly, if you don't like the game, chances are you're not gonna get invested in it enough to really get to know said character. Hardly any character is going to be liked by everyone who liked the game, so games are, as a general rule, stronger. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Dr. Football beat me, Yesmar in the 2010 Guru Contest! |
