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red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2010 8:59:40 PM | message detail
I don't care as much for this contest, but if we have a full games contest or a full character battle, I would greatly prefer the 24-hour matches to start no later than the final 8 (and for games, final 16 since there is just so much potential for matches between elite games in such a contest).
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 9:15:03 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'd rather switch back to 24 hours for the Elite Eight or even the Sweet Sixteen because even just doing 24 hours for the Sweet Sixteen on only takes two weeks.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/3/2010 9:27:17 PM | message detail
I imagine we could persuade SB into full-day matches for the Elite Eight -- that's only four days more and gives each division-winner more time to shine. Maybe not this contest though...I'm sure it's all scheduled already.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/3/2010 10:08:05 PM | message detail
128 games, 1v1 contest with 12 hour matches - No later than October 10th
128 games, 4-way contest with 24 hour matches - No later than October 10th
64 games, 1v1 contest with 24 hour matches - No later than October 10th
64 games, 1v1 contest with 12 hour matches - No later than November 10th
32 games, 1v1 contest with 24 hour matches - No later than November 10th


More like 256 games, 4-way contest!!! *hides*

Man, I don't know why I feel like acting so silly all the time lately.

By the way... did anyone here ever bring up the idea of a "game of the decade" contest before SBAllen announced it?

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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:08:52 PM | message detail

From: Haste_2 | #154
By the way... did anyone here ever bring up the idea of a "game of the decade" contest before SBAllen announced it?


I know I did after we had that "Game of the Decade" poll after all the GOTY polls last year, and maybe even before then. tranny has mentioned it before, too.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/3/2010 10:11:46 PM | message detail
Can't recall, but I'm sure someone must have.

Anyone get the feeling that voters might be hesitant to vote a more recent game (mainly looking at Brawl here, but who knows) as Game of the Decade? I'm starting to think that the more established games from nearly a decade ago may have the edge, and that they'll show it unless Bacon decides to include chronological brackets again. That would be the worst idea ever, by the way.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:12:49 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'm hoping Bacon doesn't try to do themed divisions of any kind. Just do it straight up by nominations for once.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/3/2010 10:14:54 PM | message detail
Can you imagine if we had ANIMAL MASCOT DIVISION next to SPACE MARINE DIVISION in the CBs? Actually, that might be funny for a year (or a minute!).
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2010 10:22:07 PM | message detail
Themed divisions would suck so much. Do you guys realize the last non-gimmick 1v1 contest we had was over 7 years ago?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:29:27 PM | message detail
I'm assuming you mean by non-gimmick, you mean just a straight up contest, nothing silly like setting up SFF matches (a la 2004) or removing characters.

Then yeah, every contest since the first two has had some sort of weird theme/gimmick to it.
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LOLContests | Posted 9/3/2010 10:29:38 PM | message detail
2002, 2003, and the two mini-contests are actually the only non-gimmick contests we've ever had.

Possible not even Sp2005 if there really were company caps like some people thought, and Ceej changed his rules to make Ansem a Square character.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2010 10:30:07 PM | message detail
Anyone get the feeling that voters might be hesitant to vote a more recent game (mainly looking at Brawl here, but who knows) as Game of the Decade? I'm starting to think that the more established games from nearly a decade ago may have the edge, and that they'll show it unless Bacon decides to include chronological brackets again. That would be the worst idea ever, by the way.

Probably not. 2001 still feels modern to most people on Gamefaqs- the thing is the vast vast majority of the site started gaming before 2000. Actually, 2000 games from the old generation may be somewhat hurt- I'd feel somewhat strange about crowning an N64 game the Game of this Decade.
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LOLContests | Posted 9/3/2010 10:30:08 PM | message detail
2004 had the Company Caps as a gimmick.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:30:27 PM | message detail
Well, the mini-contests were sort of a gimmick in and of themselves, though the Series Contest less so.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/3/2010 10:30:53 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #159
Themed divisions would suck so much. Do you guys realize the last non-gimmick 1v1 contest we had was over 7 years ago?


We probably aren't doing 4ways with this one, but if you also consider the 12-hour format a gimmick, that's one we'd better be hoping for, because 24 hour matches will feel like an eternity now. We've got a real good thing going with the last format and I hope it sticks. That said, chronological divisions would be the absolute worst theme for this contest. We've had two games contests and have still never seen what a game from the early 90s would do against a game from the mid-to-late 00s. According to all of our contest data, Pac-Man would get absolutely demolished by a game like CoD4, but if those two games ACTUALLY MET in the first round, we darn well know a ton of people would side with the Pac upset. That's the largest appeal of a games contest, and we've still never seen it. Now obviously, we can't get Pac-Man vs. CoD in this one, but we can still get games two generations and a decade apart. In the first round. 1v1. And we better.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:30:57 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #163
2004 had the Company Caps as a gimmick.


Oh right, I forgot about that, too.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:31:54 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #165
According to all of our contest data, Pac-Man would get absolutely demolished by a game like CoD4, but if those two games ACTUALLY MET in the first round, we darn well know a ton of people would side with the Pac upset.


Yeah, the same people who thought Pac-Man could beat Metroid back in the first Games Contest.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2010 10:33:34 PM | message detail
Well, if you want to go the other way, replace Pac-Man with something like Zelda 1. There'll be a huge range of modern games that some will take to beat Zelda 1 and others will take to lose to it.

And Chrono Trigger vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee would be such an amazing match. I have to see this.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/3/2010 10:33:47 PM | message detail
Technically, 2002 and 2003 had 64-entrant 1v1 24-hour matches as a gimmick. THE THINGS YOU APPEAL CONSIDER GIMMICKS.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:34:20 PM | message detail
Or we could go with Bacon's example of why mixing old games with new games is a bad idea: Mario 1 vs. Halo!

seriously could he have picked a worse possible example
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ZFS | Posted 9/3/2010 10:35:08 PM | message detail
Yeah, people can side with Pac-Man all they like, but COD4 would wreck that match hard.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2010 10:36:59 PM | message detail
Well, Mario 1 would crush Halo, so that wouldn't be an interesting match but for a different reason than Bacon had. Pac-Man vs. Halo would actually be really interesting- no one hates Pac-Man, and tons of people hate Halo.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2010 10:37:19 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #165
We probably aren't doing 4ways with this one, but if you also consider the 12-hour format a gimmick, that's one we'd better be hoping for, because 24 hour matches will feel like an eternity now. We've got a real good thing going with the last format and I hope it sticks. That said, chronological divisions would be the absolute worst theme for this contest. We've had two games contests and have still never seen what a game from the early 90s would do against a game from the mid-to-late 00s. According to all of our contest data, Pac-Man would get absolutely demolished by a game like CoD4, but if those two games ACTUALLY MET in the first round, we darn well know a ton of people would side with the Pac upset. That's the largest appeal of a games contest, and we've still never seen it. Now obviously, we can't get Pac-Man vs. CoD in this one, but we can still get games two generations and a decade apart. In the first round. 1v1. And we better.


Actually this is a great point. I don't consider Winter 2010 a gimmick contest at all, and it's my favorite format for what we do on this site.

But before that little gem of an idea (no sarcasm), you have to go back to Summer 2003. Jeez.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2010 10:38:17 PM | message detail
I liked the idea of 4-ways when it was unveiled in 2007. But it turned out to be a pretty bad format, and should not have returned for a second (and third) contest.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:38:29 PM | message detail
I'd be surprised if Halo lost to Pac-Man. Sure, it's not strong, but Pac-Man's a fodder game, I'd imagine. Halo won't lose to everything.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2010 10:38:59 PM | message detail
I can sort of understand a second character contest with it, because the first one worked out well. But ruining games 2009 with that crap was so bad.
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LOLContests | Posted 9/3/2010 10:38:59 PM | message detail
COD4 would beat Pac-Man down, but it wouldn't be horrible, IMO. Probably not any more than a tripling at the worst.

Halo would also beat it fairly safely, even with anti-votes, although it would be hilarious to see during the dead hours.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2010 10:39:19 PM | message detail
Pac-Man would destroy Halo.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2010 10:39:46 PM | message detail
Pac-Man just seems like the perfect game to take advantage of Halo's weaknesses. Universally known, universally liked a little bit, very few fans who love it a lot.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:41:22 PM | message detail
I dunno. The game did horribly in both Games Contest appearances (though you can make SFF/LFF excuses).

I mean, would you guys really pick Pac-Man to beat KotOR or Okami?

I wouldn't.
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LOLContests | Posted 9/3/2010 10:44:40 PM | message detail
And do you guys think that MC scores 60% on DK in 2005 before anti-votes? Because that's a pretty comparable situation.

But I mean, this is lol Halo here. Who knows? Any excuse for Pac-Man to impress is fine by me.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/3/2010 10:45:29 PM | message detail
Pac-Man the character would probably beat Master Chief, too.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:45:44 PM | message detail
It's not that I think that much of Halo. I'd pick a boatload of games to beat it in the upcoming Games Contest (heck, any of the games in the series). I just think Pac-Man is weak. I don't think it'd get the respect the character does.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 9/3/2010 10:45:55 PM | message detail
I think I'd take.... Pac > Halo in a night match, Halo > Pac in a day match, and... guess I'd side slightly to Pac over a full 24 hours.

But I don't think the CoD franchise is hated enough to pull the trigger on the Pac upset there.

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red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2010 10:46:20 PM | message detail
I mean, would you guys really pick Pac-Man to beat KotOR or Okami?

I would not. I suppose it's intuition vs. transitivity then.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:46:37 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #182
Pac-Man the character would probably beat Master Chief, too.


Eh.

You people are just looking for any excuse to sell MC short.

I mean, it's understandable, but MC's not fodder yet.
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ZFS | Posted 9/3/2010 10:48:29 PM | message detail
Halo beats Pac-Man pretty easy. People just have a weird thing with Halo where they pick to win, it doesn't, and suddenly they will never be wronged again and it now loses to Pong or something.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/3/2010 10:51:16 PM | message detail
Chief is a sinking ship, and while Pac-Man might be a weaker character than Hayabusa, he's the perfect character to upset Chief.

Anyway, I'm not sure if I'd ever take Pac-Man the game over Okami or KotOR, but the very fact that I have to consider it at all should tell you something. In terms of observed strength, isn't that analogous to asking whether anyone would take Tails over Tifa or something?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:52:58 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #188
Anyway, I'm not sure if I'd ever take Pac-Man the game over Okami or KotOR, but the very fact that I have to consider it at all should tell you something.


Yeah, it does tell me something.

I'm just not sure what yet.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/3/2010 10:55:37 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #183
I just think Pac-Man is weak. I don't think it'd get the respect the character does.


What respect? He gets ragdolled by every Mario character he comes across. Heck, even Mewtwo took him to school. But pit him against Ocelot, and he can shock the lot of us. Pac-Man the game vs. Halo or CoD or Uncharted is essentially the same thing, except that the game might have been hit with even more old school/Nintendo SFF than the character. Unlikely upset? Of course. Close to impossible? I don't think so.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:57:15 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #190
What respect? He gets ragdolled by every Mario character he comes across.


Of course he does. Those are characters who are respected and well-known as well. Pac-Man gets respect for being one of the original video game "icons," as it were. Stick him against another icon, and he's sure to fold. I don't think people view games the same way though. I mean, it got doubled by the original Metroid, of all things.
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ZFS | Posted 9/3/2010 10:57:45 PM | message detail
Impossible is the exact word I'd use against Call of Duty. That would be ugly, make no mistake about that. Halo is something else, though. That's a little more plausible.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 10:59:12 PM | message detail
I agree about CoD4. If CoD4 can rock Galaxy and D/P, Pac-Man's got no chance, I think.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 9/3/2010 11:02:40 PM | message detail
I think that, over time, you're gonna see Halo improve, as more and more people get away from the "lol console shooter" and "lol xbox" and "lol casual gaming" (according to my definition, Halo is casual gaming for sure) mindsets, because the series is still coming out with new (and what looks like better) games, and Halo is eventually gonna be seen much like Goldeneye is, which is a game with a single-player campaign that... exists... and multiplayer that provided so many people good times.

Master Chief is a completely different story, especially because the later games are getting away from him as a character.

Anyone who is picking Pac-Man to beat Halo is being ridiculous, because at this point, Pac-Man isn't gaining any more fans (unless a new Pac-Man: CE game comes out), because the games he's been in over the last... Well, since Ms. Pac-Man, really... have been mostly crap, with a few exceptions that never really gathered large fanbases (Pac-Man Vs. and Pac-Man: CE).
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2010 11:03:08 PM | message detail
Yeah, no chance against COD4. Halo is quite another story, and I really wouldn't be surprised if the original Metroid beat it too. It's a Nintendo game from one of Nintendo's mid-level series, against THE ENEMY.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 11:10:26 PM | message detail
And it's not even that I'm pro-Halo or pro-Chief. I'm one of the few around here who nailed both Subby > Chief and Hayabusa > Chief.

I just think people are grasping because it's Halo. Again, not that I blame them. I'm that way with certain things myself, but Pac-Man has just looked so bad in both of its appearances, and Halo at least looked decent against Diablo 2 and KotOR.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 9/3/2010 11:13:13 PM | message detail
Ooh, Leon's post reminded me of something.

Odds that an MK game gets in? Which one? How does it do?

I'd say we're gonna get Deception if we get any of them (though if there were any justice, it'd be Shaolin Monks), and I think MK is starting to trend back up.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 11:15:56 PM | message detail
I dunno. I'd be kinda surprised if a 3-D MK got in. They're just not as popular as the 2-D games were, but who knows.

Kinda hoping we get Sonic Adventure 2 in just so we can see how 3-D Sonic looks.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/3/2010 11:18:23 PM | message detail
The point I'm trying to make here is that yes, Pac-Man would be a huge underdog against a Halo or CoD game. But he would still get support because games are different than characters and because these games are so much different from each other and untested against each other.

Going by the game contest stats, what is Pac-Man to CoD? It's probably like fodder to a respectable midcarder - like The Boss to Luigi or something. Would anyone even dream about taking Boss over Luigi? No, it's ridiculous. Would people take Pac-Man over CoD? Yes, despite all the numbers, because many people would see the slim possibility there, and THAT is why chronological restrictions are such a bad idea.

Stop dissecting the example and look at the principle. >_>
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LeonhartFour | Posted 9/3/2010 11:19:51 PM | message detail
Well, if people would provide better examples...!
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