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HaRRicH | Posted 9/2/2010 9:14:49 AM | message detail
How do you guys feel about Pokemon GSC's chances at winning it all? Some quick arguing points:

1) GS got 46.67% on MGS in BGE2, and we've often argued about whether or not MGS could actually beat FFX...
2) ...GS did slightly better against RBY with LoZ:MM in the poll than SSBM did against RBY with LoZ:OoT in the poll...
3) ...Pokemon just beat Super Mario and wasn't far from doubling SSB in the recent Nintendo-poll...
4) ...this contest could reasonably list it as GSC instead of GS, adding one more game to that generational entry...
5) ...and the biggy: Heart Gold and Soul Silver came out this year and seem to be selling well and liked.

It could be a legitimate #2 game, and if whoever your #1 disappoints, GSC's going to be knocking on its door. Gotta be careful with PokeFEAR, but it doesn't seem so unreasonable like this.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:16:42 AM | message detail
I don't even know.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/2/2010 9:17:00 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #249
I would have taken TP over MGS4 after the last contest. After seeing Link, Ganon, and Zelda all flop while Snake was golden again, I'll go with MGS4.


Come on, what.

From: transience | #250
one would think MGS4 would be stronger given how the PS3 has grown in the last year plus, but I dunno, I think it's weaker now.


Same here. Of all the games in that last, most recent division, MGS4 kinda stuck out as the hardcore player's favorite and the best bet to propel something ahead of TP and Brawl, which were seen as disappointments for many. 1v1 and 1.5 years removed, I'd easily take RE4 over MGS4.
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xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:18:11 AM | message detail
I don't think GSC can be counted out at all.

I have a hard time having it break past Melee/Brawl/FFX, and I'm not even sure it'd beat my next tier of TP/RE4/MGS4, however, I'm fully aware that it could end up just beating all of them. If you made me try and place it, I'd probably place it with TP/RE4/MGS4 somewhere, but in reality I think I'd rather see where it ends up in a bracket and look at it on a match-by-match basis.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:19:45 AM | message detail
I would rank GSC as the 4th strongest game, but give it the 3rd highest chance of winning, behind Melee and Brawl. I don't think FFX can beat both Melee and Brawl (especially Melee), while there's a very real chance of a Pokemon boost since the last contest. I already have mad respect for MGS and RBY, so.......let's say:

Melee: 30%
Brawl: 30%
GSC: 20%
FFX: 10%
Others: 10%
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:21:22 AM | message detail
Come on, what.

I don't understand. Link did look horrible, and Snake did look wonderful, relative to their old selves.
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transience | Posted 9/2/2010 9:22:04 AM | message detail
a lot of things have to go wrong for GSC to win. I don't trust Smash at all right now so I could see it losing, but FFX should be there to pick up the pieces if Smash fails. GSC's a longshot. shame we can't get RBY in this.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:24:11 AM | message detail
Obviously when Smash dominates and Brawl beats FFX 58/42, the people will rally behind GSC to save us from our Smash overlords.

....I can't tell if I'm joking.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/2/2010 9:24:13 AM | message detail
I wouldn't pick GSC unless we get 4ways and it's got a good path all the way through. That said, it can definitely do some damage. It did way better against RBY than I was expecting, to the tune of 42% in that match with MGS and Majora. After that, I've gotta consider 42% on RBY to be GSC's floor, and that's enough to beat a hell of a lot of games.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:25:30 AM | message detail
If it's four-ways, anyone who takes not-FFX barring a really strange bracket that somehow ensures FFX/KH/KH2/Nintendo-title is really bad at this.
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The Real Truth | Posted 9/2/2010 9:25:51 AM | message detail
Hey don't forget there's also a chance we'll go with 12 hour matches which could change a lot of the outcomes dramatically.
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Achromatic | Posted 9/2/2010 9:26:27 AM | message detail

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #260
If it's four-ways, anyone who takes not-FFX barring a really strange bracket that somehow ensures FFX/KH/KH2/Nintendo-title is really bad at this.


Because the obvious winner wins every time-oh wait
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/2/2010 9:27:11 AM | message detail
We dun said the same thing about FFVII last year. Nintendo fans know how to get the job done. A strong Nintendo entrant will always be a threat.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:28:15 AM | message detail
Because the obvious winner wins every time-oh wait

It's more because it'll take something really strange for there to not be at least two Nintendo titles in the finals, along with presumably FFX/non-Square title in a four-way format.

I mean, if you think FFX doesn't win in FFX/MGS4/Brawl/Melee be my guest.
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voltch | Posted 9/2/2010 9:35:59 AM | message detail
yeah, if it's 4 way, nintendo games are TOO strong for their own good.

if we got say Brawl/Melee/MGS4/FFX in the final, i would back either of the smash games.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/2/2010 9:39:36 AM | message detail
I can't imagine GSC winning. It'll be a tough out, but RBY is where all the strength is.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:39:40 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3507

I'm going to go ahead and say that this poll means Brawl is ever-so-slightly ahead of FFX, because I don't think the Zelda-Smash SFF is that severe. Combine that with the fact that Brawl 'hype' is dying down even more while FFX is the biggest Square support (can the same be said for Brawl? Or does that go to TP?) and shows less signs of age. I preliminary lean FFX > Brawl but perhaps TP > FFX... thinking about RE4 signs don't look as good I think and will be outshined by FF, Zelda, Melee/Brawl, and MGS4
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/2/2010 9:40:08 AM | message detail
Nice to see Bacon announce a contest so we can show those jokers at Gamespot how it's done. The 4chan stuff has been an embarrassment.
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voltch | Posted 9/2/2010 9:41:19 AM | message detail
no way TP beats a smash game one on one.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:41:21 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #268
Nice to see Bacon announce a contest so we can show those jokers at Gamespot how it's done. The 4chan stuff has been an embarrassment.


*nods*

I'd love to see how Gamespot could screw up a GAMES contest with joke noms.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:42:03 AM | message detail
Battletoads wins, duh.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/2/2010 9:43:24 AM | message detail
Battletoads seriously would win.
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xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:43:52 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3505

If TP wanted to challenge Brawl, it should have done so here. I'd put TP as probably 4th in this contest, barring maybe GSC wherever I end up putting that, but Brawl is too much for it unless things changed.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:44:03 AM | message detail
I hate to say it, but I think I'd approve of Battletoads winning.

...sorry guys, I'm with 4chan on this one.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:44:45 AM | message detail

From: voltch | #269
no way TP beats a smash game one on one.


I'd almost agree with you due to this:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3505

But, I think voters will have a different mindset. TP is the lone Zelda voting force. That could translate in a big way.

This is also why I think FFX could lose to TP 1 v 1. FF7 fans wont necessarily flock to FFX, but OoT/LttP fans pretty much JUST have TP... I mean there's WW too but TP is clearly stronger and more liked.

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transience | Posted 9/2/2010 9:46:04 AM | message detail
yeah, TP should be a non-factor for the top tier. it could beat FFX but it can't ever touch Brawl. it would take something really weird like a rSFF beatdown by Melee or some crap.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/2/2010 9:46:04 AM | message detail
What worries me is casual Nintendo fans always overly support something that doesn't deserve it if the big guns are out. Remember Mario in 2005? (Or was it 2006)

If you remove Ocarina, some other game (likely the #1 overall seed) is going to go berserk this contest.
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voltch | Posted 9/2/2010 9:46:11 AM | message detail
windwaker's around.

it may be weaker, but it's still a pretty strong game in it's own right, it could topple a more recent game like uh Mass Effect or Bioshock with so much ease imo
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:46:44 AM | message detail
And that translates to it beating Smash because I think that Brawl is dying down enough for TP to overtake it.

I'd call it an uspet, based on past results, sure. But I think given the scenario, it can pull it off, what with new Zelda game hype, too.

The more I think about it, the more I think TP takes it home.


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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/2/2010 9:47:25 AM | message detail
Where are you getting this Brawl dying down stuff?
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voltch | Posted 9/2/2010 9:48:17 AM | message detail
you could argue TP is dying down since people are intesrest in the new zelda game though.
also TP wasn't unanimously well received, that'll work against it, a melee game though has insane strength, while brawl has such natural power that even a split fanbase barely dents it.
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LOLContests | Posted 9/2/2010 9:48:48 AM | message detail
I would be fairly shocked if Wind Waker lost to Mass Effect or Bioshock. It probably comes close to 40% on SSBM before SFF.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:48:55 AM | message detail
Not only the fact that it's been one year since the last contest but

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3998



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WiggumFan267 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:49:43 AM | message detail
And I was just saying that while WW is still strong, TP is going to have a ton more Zelda fan support who don't have OoT to vote for. The OoT support goes much much more to TP than to Brawl.

At least, that's my theory
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/2/2010 9:50:10 AM | message detail
Wind Waker over midcard shooters is not an upset. Might as well go the full mile and call Wind Waker > Left 4 Dead 2 an upset at that point. Half-Life 2 maybe could pull that off.
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voltch | Posted 9/2/2010 9:51:30 AM | message detail
I won't deny that it's a sound theory on paper wigs, it makes a lot of sense, however, time and time again, we've seen credible logics, just not work out when the contest gets underway.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:52:21 AM | message detail
Sure! And like I said I consider TP > Brawl/Melee to be an upset pick.


Actually at this point, I'd call TP > Brawl an upset... dunno about Melee...
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/2/2010 9:52:25 AM | message detail
And I was just saying that while WW is still strong, TP is going to have a ton more Zelda fan support who don't have OoT to vote for. The OoT support goes much much more to TP than to Brawl.

Not really. The voters here aren't just going to vote for another game in the series just because OoT isn't in the contest.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/2/2010 9:52:39 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3473

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/2/2010 9:53:19 AM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #288
And I was just saying that while WW is still strong, TP is going to have a ton more Zelda fan support who don't have OoT to vote for. The OoT support goes much much more to TP than to Brawl.

Not really. The voters here aren't just going to vote for another game in the series just because OoT isn't in the contest.


You would think this makes sense, but this very thing has happened more than once before.
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voltch | Posted 9/2/2010 9:54:16 AM | message detail
hopefully we get the one vs one scenario, but in that case, games like MGS4, which relied on LFF last year might be in a bind.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/2/2010 9:54:25 AM | message detail
You would think this makes sense, but this very thing has happened more than once before.

When?
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transience | Posted 9/2/2010 9:54:38 AM | message detail
you guys are trying to make this more interesting than it is. TP has shown to not be that strong anymore and it's getting weaker.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/2/2010 9:55:12 AM | message detail
Not only will LoZ:TP and LoZ:WW be repping the contest, but we'll also be seeing LoZ:MM. If this is a 128-entry contest, we may even see one of two of the smaller LoZ-titles like the handheld-games.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:55:18 AM | message detail
Wait, why is no one talking about Majora's Mask? This is terribly confusing to me.
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xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:55:28 AM | message detail
...Could be a silly question, but is Wind Waker even guaranteed the second strongest Zelda here? I'm not sure it beats Majora's Mask. Though both were stuck with a much stronger Nintendo game the entire time (MM got RBY and WW got SSBM) so all of their results are kind of warped.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 9/2/2010 9:55:31 AM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #294
Not only will LoZ:TP and LoZ:WW be repping the contest, but we'll also be seeing LoZ:MM. If this is a 128-entry contest, we may even see one of two of the smaller LoZ-titles like the handheld-games.


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voltch | Posted 9/2/2010 9:55:43 AM | message detail
yeah, contest has such weird logic, like villains contest, female bracket, whenever it's clearly defined and limited like this one, you get some wonky stuff.

the results themselves aren't overly surprising, but the percentages are fairly wtf.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 9/2/2010 9:56:52 AM | message detail
you guys are trying to make this more interesting than it is. TP has shown to not be that strong anymore and it's getting weaker.

That's the way I'm looking at it. I think some of you are thinking that the voters here are robots or something. They do like games other then OoT, you know? Just because OoT isn't in the contest doesn't mean they're going to give their undying support to Twilight Princess.

Wait, why is no one talking about Majora's Mask? This is terribly confusing to me.

Because it's a weak Zelda game.
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voltch | Posted 9/2/2010 9:58:53 AM | message detail
MM is a non-factor for most people, since we expect it'll job in like round 2 or 3 against one of the top tier games.
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