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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/12/2010 9:11:06 PM | message detail
Leon, you can't even bring yourself to finish OoT. Of course you'll look elsewhere.
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:11:19 PM | message detail
Morrigan got 69% on Spyro and 34% on Mario. That's not one outlier performance.

Spyro's performance in 2007 would suggest pre-Halo 3 Master Chief would easily double Morrigan and that's if for whatever reason you believe she didn't drop harder than Spyro.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2010 9:11:23 PM | message detail
Did Mass Effect seriously lose the board vote against this pack of jabronskis? This board is really out of touch sometimes.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:11:53 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #101
Leon, you can't even bring yourself to finish OoT. Of course you'll look elsewhere.


Okay, tell me why those characters are going to be non-fodder, sans Epona.

I'll listen.
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EcchiFanboy | Posted 8/12/2010 9:12:14 PM | message detail

From: TheOceIot | #099
No Medal of Honor? Crap poll.


Yeah, I was pretty surprised that there was no Medal of Honor or Rock Band. Those are two of their staple series.

From: red sox 777 | #100
Hey, Rufus Shinra is a much better pick than Barret! We've had enough FFVII party members already; if we're going to get more FFVII characters in, we should start on the NPCs. And I've supported Rufus Shinra since his namesake won the Guru contest and didn't choose him.


Rufus Shinra or Reno would be a good option if we HAD to pick something from FF7. I think its time to finally let it rest though
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2010 9:12:23 PM | message detail
I don't think Morrigan's dropped much at all.

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vcharon | Posted 8/12/2010 9:13:20 PM | message detail
I've beaten OoT 3 or 4 times. Dark Link and (cough) Epona are the only possible non-fodders from the game. That's just the facts. Zelda is not a character driven series and everyone in that game is forgettable sans Navi who you want to forget.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/12/2010 9:13:20 PM | message detail
I have no idea if they'll be non-fodder or not, but they're from the biggest game from the series that's been Brokebacking Final Fantasy on this site for the last four years. One of them deserves one shot for one year.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:13:33 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #106
I don't think Morrigan's dropped much at all.


I don't know why anyone thinks this, to be honest. I don't think MvC3 will be worth what MvC2 was.

And 2002 was a fluke contest in a lot of ways. Expecting a lot of the one-timers to do that well again is expecting...well, too much.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:14:02 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #108
I have no idea if they'll be non-fodder or not, but they're from the biggest game from the series that's been Brokebacking Final Fantasy on this site for the last four years. One of them deserves one shot for one year.


Cool, we'll nominate an FFVII NPC and we'll nominate an OoT NPC or dungeon.

Let's do it.
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:14:35 PM | message detail
I don't think Morrigan's dropped much at all.

Then you would be wrong.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:14:43 PM | message detail
I mean, you were just talking about how we should never support someone like Rufus Shinra, but yet we want Malon, Talon, or Saria in a contest?
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/12/2010 9:16:09 PM | message detail
Did Mass Effect seriously lose the board vote against this pack of jabronskis? This board is really out of touch sometimes.

Mass Effect only went up 0.23% on the second update, so I can't be sure on that one. It had 30.88% at the board vote, then jumped to 31.11%, and went back down to 30.90% on the third update. Going to have to wait a while to determine if Mass Effect won or lost the board vote.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/12/2010 9:16:32 PM | message detail
I never even mentioned those characters, you did. One of Epona or Dark Link would have been preferable with me. And yes, Epona deserves her shot a lot more than Rufus, FFVII entrant number ten.
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red sox 777 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:17:00 PM | message detail
Well, Leon, how about these characters?

Nabooru
Darunia
Rauru
Ruto
Impa
Mido
Kaepora Gaebora
Navi
Happy Mask Salesman
Gerudo 3rd in command who changes her clothes to match Link's.

*tries to avoid the angry horde*

Anyway, Saria, Malon, and the Great Deku Tree would not be fodder. They're from OOT, the strongest game on the site, they have major roles, and they're likable. We've never seen a fodder FFVII character with any importance (and we don't even know for sure that Zolom is fodder), and these days it looks like random pokemon #257 (no, I have no idea which pokemon that is) would not be fodder. So any OOT character with storyline importance should avoid being fodder.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:17:46 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #114
I never even mentioned those characters, you did.


red sox did, actually. Not to mention the Great Deku Tree.

But there's a pretty obvious reason why we're pushing FFVII #9 and not Zelda character #6. Virtually nobody in Zelda matters apart from the big three.

And I'm nominating Epona, so don't give me any crap about this.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2010 9:17:53 PM | message detail
80% of Morrigan's strength comes from her design. She should be fine.

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EcchiFanboy | Posted 8/12/2010 9:18:27 PM | message detail
Malon wouldn't be fodder if she got the teenage pic. Thats some serious TJF there. The rest of the characters, though.. meh. Epona would be solid.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2010 9:18:49 PM | message detail
I might support Navi, just to see how she would do.

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charmander6000 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:19:49 PM | message detail
80% of Morrigan's strength comes from her design. She should be fine.

Too bad her normal strength is like 2%.

See I can make up numbers too.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:20:21 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #117
80% of Morrigan's strength comes from her design. She should be fine.


Do we really think TJF is a major factor anymore? She'd have a hard time outdoing Ivy Valentine, I think.
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red sox 777 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:20:53 PM | message detail
But there's a pretty obvious reason why we're pushing FFVII #9 and not Zelda character #6. Virtually nobody in Zelda matters apart from the big three.

Well, that's actually the primary reason I want to get OOT characters in- that's what we've thought for years, but there's never been a chance to test it, as Zelda side-characters other than Ganon and Zelda (and Tingle, ugh) have never made the contest.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2010 9:21:12 PM | message detail
Design is incredibly important for unknown characters. You think Morrigan did that well back then because of Darkstalkers?

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vcharon | Posted 8/12/2010 9:21:35 PM | message detail
Midna.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:21:52 PM | message detail
Midna, too.

Granted, I'm not a Zelda fanatic, but why would Malon, Talon, or Saria be stronger than Midna?
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/12/2010 9:22:15 PM | message detail
Aren't most video game characters strengths from their character design? Ryu isn't exactly known for his engrossing back story or witty one-liners(unless you find "HADOUKEN!" the height of comedy)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:22:56 PM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #126
Ryu isn't exactly known for his engrossing back story


Hey, he's awesome in the anime!
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:23:02 PM | message detail
Seriously guys...

Street Fighter > Mortal Kombat > Soul Calibur > Tekken > King of Fighters > Darkstalkers
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vcharon | Posted 8/12/2010 9:23:25 PM | message detail
Ryu is the main character of the most popular fighter on the site. It has nothing to do with his design, but rather his role.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:23:38 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #123
Design is incredibly important for unknown characters. You think Morrigan did that well back then because of Darkstalkers?


You think Morrigan's going to be non-fodder because of TJF alone?

We remember the Female Bracket, right?
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:24:06 PM | message detail
Design is incredibly important for unknown characters. You think Morrigan did that well back then because of Darkstalkers?

You think Servbot did that well with Mega Man Legends?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2010 9:24:50 PM | message detail
The Female Bracket shouldn't be used for anything. A lot of characters under/overperformed in it for absolutely no reason.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:25:09 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #132
The Female Bracket shouldn't be used for anything. A lot of characters under/overperformed in it for absolutely no reason.


Replace "Female Bracket" with "SC2K2."
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2010 9:25:28 PM | message detail
Servbot did that well because it was the first match ever, and people felt like being silly. By Round 2 everything was pretty standard, at least by 2002 measures.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:26:09 PM | message detail
Not to mention, we've got through at least two site shifts since 2002.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2010 9:26:59 PM | message detail
And who's to say they weren't in Morrigan's favor?

I thinks she'll be weaker, but you guys going "god who cares about Darkstalkers" are missing the point of why she did well in the first place.

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charmander6000 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:27:36 PM | message detail
Servbot did that well because it was the first match ever, and people felt like being silly. By Round 2 everything was pretty standard, at least by 2002 measures.

Why would people only feel like being silly for only one match? It doesn't make sense.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:27:44 PM | message detail
I know why she did well in the first place.

But if that's all we're relying on for Morrigan to be strong, I think we're wasting our time.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2010 9:28:31 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #137
Servbot did that well because it was the first match ever, and people felt like being silly. By Round 2 everything was pretty standard, at least by 2002 measures.

Why would people only feel like being silly for only one match? It doesn't make sense.


...you seriously don't understand why people would vote abnormally on the first contest match in history?

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charmander6000 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:28:36 PM | message detail
I thinks she'll be weaker, but you guys going "god who cares about Darkstalkers" are missing the point of why she did well in the first place.

Give me an example of TJF outside the first contest.
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red sox 777 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:28:55 PM | message detail
I'm not sure if they would be, but if they are, it'd be because OOT >>> TP.

Let's compare with Final Fantasy: TP is probably the 3rd strongest Zelda game, while FFVI is probably the 3rd strongest FF game. How many characters from FFVII would beat the strongest FFVI character? Cloud, Sephiroth, Vincent, Tifa, Aeris, Zack, Cid.....that's 7 at least, and there's probably more. You could say that FFVIII is the 3rd strongest FF game, but then, Squall is way more important to FFVIII than Midna is to TP. How many OOT characters could beat the 4th most important character in TP? Quite possibly a lot.

I would take Great Deku Tree over Midna with a fair amount of confidence. Not sure who I'd take in Saria/Malon vs. Midna.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:29:54 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #141
I'm not sure if they would be, but if they are, it'd be because OOT >>> TP.

Let's compare with Final Fantasy: TP is probably the 3rd strongest Zelda game, while FFVI is probably the 3rd strongest FF game. How many characters from FFVII would beat the strongest FFVI character? Cloud, Sephiroth, Vincent, Tifa, Aeris, Zack, Cid.....that's 7 at least, and there's probably more. You could say that FFVIII is the 3rd strongest FF game, but then, Squall is way more important to FFVIII than Midna is to TP. How many OOT characters could beat the 4th most important character in TP? Quite possibly a lot.

I would take Great Deku Tree over Midna with a fair amount of confidence. Not sure who I'd take in Saria/Malon vs. Midna.


Eh, I don't like this logic. I used it to pick FF > Zelda in the Series Contest.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2010 9:30:28 PM | message detail
Every match a female character has ever had.

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charmander6000 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:30:38 PM | message detail
...you seriously don't understand why people would vote abnormally on the first contest match in history?

No, I'm wondering why people don't vote abnornally for more than just the first match like for example TJF.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:31:29 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #143
Every match a female character has ever had.


If this is the case, why don't we just nominate a character with an appealing physique and a game people care about?
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:31:41 PM | message detail
Every match a female character has ever had.

Yes because they can't be strong because they are popular.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2010 9:32:29 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #145
If this is the case, why don't we just nominate a character with an appealing physique and a game people care about?


The character well has run pretty dry all-around.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 8/12/2010 9:33:33 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #147
The character well has run pretty dry all-around.


Could've nominated Chunners.

But seriously, you're really overestimating Morrigan's chances.

And if she gets stuck in the vote-ins, she'll bomb, and we won't even see her in the contest, so that'll be a wasted slot.
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red sox 777 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:34:22 PM | message detail
2002 is just really really different from now. The first 3 rounds of 2002 are even dramatically different from the latter rounds, just look at how the votals exploded during the contest.
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/12/2010 9:34:29 PM | message detail
So her looks prevents her from being as strong as Tanner, she's still going to be bad fodder.
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