GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 902
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/9/2010 9:51:28 PM | message detail |
RBY probably would beat Mario 64. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
HaRRicH | Posted 8/9/2010 9:59:33 PM | message detail |
I wanted to say that, but I went conservative with RBY for that post. Whatever! --- Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177 |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/9/2010 10:02:42 PM | message detail |
Probably? RBY would crush Mario 64 with ease. Don't let these series confuse you. Even assuming no SFF here (hahahahaha), Super Mario Bros gave a great performance against Final Fantasy, and SM64 wouldn't (and hadn't) come close to FF7. Hell, SM64 couldn't even beat LttP. In a regular series match, Mario would probably get 55-60% on Pokemon. In a regular games match, Pokemon's strongest game would get 55-60% on Mario's strongest game. --- Wylvane _Panuru_ is a horrible user. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/9/2010 10:16:47 PM | message detail |
From: Not_Wylvane | #453 You're pushing it. RBY got 63.7% on Majora's Mask with two other N64 games in the poll. In a 1v1, it probably doesn't break 60% by much, and there's no way it gets anywhere near that percentage on a much stronger game like SM64. Pokemon the games are still untested in 1v1, and while I'll acknowledge that RBY can certainly be the third strongest game around here, giving it such easy wins against competition like SM64 and LttP puts it too close to the OoT/FFVII tier for anyone's liking. As we saw last year, nothing is close to that tier. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
LOLContests | Posted 8/9/2010 10:58:42 PM | message detail |
In a regular games match, Pokemon's strongest game would get 55-60% on Mario's strongest game. In that case, it gets at least 55-60% on LttP too, because LttP was essentially equal to SM64 last contest. --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Dr. Football beat me, Yesmar in the 2010 Guru Contest! |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/9/2010 11:10:32 PM | message detail |
Anybody
want to fancy a guess at what exactly happened to Pokemon between 2006
and 2009? Even if the Pokemon series is comparatively weaker because
it's carried by one game (at most, two), it should still have destroyed
Metroid last year. We were already well into the "Nintendo shift" in
2006, and no single release that I can think of could have helped
Pokemon climb to such heights in the last three years. Is it really
just a site-wide surge of acceptance? Like, nerdy liberation or
something? --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
transience | Posted 8/9/2010 11:12:25 PM | message detail |
pretty
expected poll result today. woulda expected Smash to be a little
higher, but no big deal, really. its time has come and gone. it's
Pokemon's time now and has been for the last 2-3 years. --- xyzzy |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/9/2010 11:12:51 PM | message detail |
I
don't think the full swing to Pokemania was complete in 2006, I guess.
That's all I can guess, unless Metroid were to somehow beat it again. I
don't think anyone would pick that here though. The Series Contest was just weird in general though. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
Big Bob | Posted 8/9/2010 11:13:27 PM | message detail |
Everybody's forgetting the real story of today... HOW IS FIRE EMBLEM LOSING TO GOLDEN SUN ARGH --- Good job, Dr. Football |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/9/2010 11:14:49 PM | message detail |
But
what caused it? You'd think the last 2-3 years were Smash time given
Brawl's level of hype. I know Diamond/Pearl sold a lot, but they stunk
up the joint in the contest. Outside of a relatively sudden site-wide
surge of Pokemon acceptance (I believe this was Turtle's theory), it
doesn't make sense. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/9/2010 11:16:55 PM | message detail |
By
the way, I love how "it's Pokemon's time now" roughly translates to it
not getting doubled by Zelda in a poll where the handheld series has
the SFF advantage. HE ALWAYS WINS --- Yoblazer: http://i33.tinypic.com/ml36gl_th.gif Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/9/2010 11:18:46 PM | message detail |
From: Big Bob | #459 LOOKS LIKE WE ALL MADE A MISTAKE ADDING FIRE EMBLEM IN PLACE OF GOLDEN SUN HUH From: PartOfYourWorld | #460 Don't ask me how Pokefreaks think! The Series Contest is inconclusive because we'll never get another one, and the only Pokemon we saw in the contest in 2006 was Nidoran F. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/10/2010 12:05:09 AM | message detail |
Hmm,
looks like Pokemon might not blow this lead after all. It's up to a 330
vote lead over Super Mario. Not sure what to expect for the rest of
this poll. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as Dr_Football, Guru Champ! |
transience | Posted 8/10/2010 12:37:19 AM | message detail |
I
just figure there was a shift towards Pokemon as the 10 year old kids
who grew up with RBY hit GameFAQs age. it really isn't complicated or
hard to comprehend, I don't think. the sudden boost is a bit jarring
but overall it makes sense. --- xyzzy |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2010 12:39:45 AM | message detail |
And while we're on the subject of seemingly delayed sudden boosts, what about Captain Falcon? How does he go from this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2527 To this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2872 To this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3283 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3258 To this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3815 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3836 --- http://img.imgcake.com/ultigardenpngba.png |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/10/2010 1:00:10 AM | message detail |
I
dunno. He definitely got stronger (maybe just showing up a couple years
helped out), but he also really lucked out with his placement last
year. Facing Rikku when KH is plummeting and then Cloud when everyone
hates him more than usual - a Nintendo character can't ask for more. And man, speaking of Kingdom Hearts, I can't imagine all the upset picks people will take against those guys next contest, especially since we still won't so much as smell a KHIII waft. If Jill is in MvC3 and gets Sora in a night match, I swear I'm pulling that trigger. >_> --- Yoblazer: http://i29.tinypic.com/dqhyf5.jpg Watch and you'll see... some day I'll be... part of your world! |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/10/2010 4:02:13 AM | message detail |
I
think the Pokemon Comic where the people hated it in high school but
loved it in college is a good display of what's going on between
2006-2009. --- *is Dranze* Krahen Prophet did a fatality. |
HaRRicH | Posted 8/10/2010 6:16:50 AM | message detail |
From: transience | #464 Pretty much this. And Pokemon's gonna end up beating Super Mario somewhat easily without Mario Kart (which I thought it would originally need to pull this upset). SMB's not going to overcome Pokemon with the day-vote or anything. Well-done, PokeFAQs. All that's left for me to be interested in is how Pokemon/SSB do with the ASV, if LoZ gets the doubling on SMB, and why Earthbound's still doing as "well" as it is. --- Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177 |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/10/2010 7:09:23 AM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #462 Seriously, most moronic switch after SSB -> Soulfailibur. Hey, let's replace an untested game with one that already bombed in the last games contest! --- Wylvane maplejet is a horrible user. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 8/10/2010 8:13:13 AM | message detail |
All
of the Add/Remove junk was terrible except for Super Street FIghter
2->Mortal Kombat 2. It's no wonder Bacon never listens to us about
things. --- DFF |
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/10/2010 8:27:58 AM | message detail |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3998®ion=EUR http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3998®ion=ASI http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3998®ion=NAM Mario's lucky he drew Charizard in a day match! --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png Dan Gilbert owns. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2010 10:46:12 AM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #466 Well, I understand that, but he got 25% on Crono in one of the Crono's weakest years, and then 30% on Cloud? I mean, anti-voting or not, that's a ridiculous swing. Plus, in 2007, he loses to Wario. Nobody would actually pick that to happen again, right? Even in the exact same fourpack? But he got more than doubled by Fox in 2007, and he gets nearly 39% on Pikachu in 2008? I mean, there's more to that than just lucky bracket placement. --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about PW/Jecht |
charmander6000 | Posted 8/10/2010 11:04:15 AM | message detail |
Captain
Falcon gets most of his strength from the SSB series and at the time
Fox pretty much was top dog in that game so it isn't that surprising
that he got SFF worse than Wario that year. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2010 11:05:09 AM | message detail |
Regardless,
it's pretty clear that Falcon's increased in strength post-Nintendo
boost unless we really think Crono triples him again. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
charmander6000 | Posted 8/10/2010 11:06:22 AM | message detail |
Speaking of which does anyone think Banjo is heading the same road due to having nothing, but SFF matches? I think he could be okay fodder rather than terrible fodder. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2010 11:07:30 AM | message detail |
We don't really think Olimar LFF'd him much at all, do we? --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
charmander6000 | Posted 8/10/2010 11:08:15 AM | message detail |
Maybe slightly, but Mega Man was in that poll too. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2010 11:08:37 AM | message detail |
...Why does Mega Man SFF Banjo? --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
HaRRicH | Posted 8/10/2010 11:10:40 AM | message detail |
CF
certainly has grown over the years. The SSB-series growing in influence
here is bound to have helped him out, though it's odd since he wasn't
that good in SSBB (isn't he bottom tier?) and the cast was bigger and
more loaded than ever before. He's an odd one. Side-note, but Captain Falcon needs an action game. He's a bounty hunter and super-fast with a cool move-set and fun personality in the SSB-series, and it's not like they're doing anything with the F-Zero series right now anyway. He could be a fun opposite to Samus's slower-paced moodier exploring. Let Retro Studios have a shot at it! Also, thirty-person online mode for the next F-Zero game please. --- Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177 |
charmander6000 | Posted 8/10/2010 11:11:04 AM | message detail |
They're both pseudo-Nintendo. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2010 11:11:45 AM | message detail |
Falcon hasn't been a high tier character in any SSB game though, has he? Though not as bad as he is in Brawl, for sure. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2010 11:13:13 AM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #480 They're pseudo-Nintendo in different eras. I just don't see any reason to believe Mega Man SFF'd Banjo. Banjo-Kazooie just wasn't that popular of a game. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
charmander6000 | Posted 8/10/2010 11:14:26 AM | message detail |
Falcon hasn't been a high tier character in any SSB game though, has he? He was up there in Melee, he was used about as much as Peach. Then again who cares about tiers? Captain Falcon was a huge fan-favourite in Melee --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2010 11:15:30 AM | message detail |
Yeah,
I was just trying to say that tiers don't really matter when it comes
to Falcon. He's just a huge meme with "FALCON PAWNCHHHHHH" --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
charmander6000 | Posted 8/10/2010 11:17:08 AM | message detail |
They're
pseudo-Nintendo in different eras. I just don't see any reason to
believe Mega Man SFF'd Banjo. Banjo-Kazooie just wasn't that popular of
a game. There hasn't been much distinction between old and new Nintendo. Also Banjo-Kazooie was huge, it was usually ranked at the tier below OoT, SM64 and GE. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/10/2010 11:17:27 AM | message detail |
Brawl's bigger here hype-wise than Melee was, so I guess that's part of it. However, I'm going to attribute 100% of Falcon's boost to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irdivdQySos&feature=related --- Wylvane KJ456 is a horrible user. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2010 11:20:22 AM | message detail |
I
just think making some sort of SFF connection between Mega Man and
Banjo is tentative at best. That just feels like you're really
reaching. It's like saying Snake would SFF Ratchet, at least to me. --- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
HaRRicH | Posted 8/10/2010 11:20:31 AM | message detail |
BK
lost to Perfect Dark in the battle of Rare-games being pushed aside for
LoZ:MM and RBY, and we've seen Joanna Dark lose hard twice. BK:N&B
did poorly in the 2008's 360-GotY. Olimar might have hurt him against
Mega Man, but certainly not much. He never had a chance against
Fox/Wario/CF or Pikachu, but that's not just because of SFF... ...I'd like to see him get a better match-up 'cuz I loved the original game, but he doesn't have a chance against nearly anybody from Nintendo and his chances don't improve much even if it's not Nintendo. Looking at how he did against Olimar and how Olimar did in the vote-ins, Banjo would have a good match with Diddy Kong...and in a battle of Rare-characters for Nintendo-love, I'm going with the little monkey. That's still pretty dang bad. --- Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177 |
charmander6000 | Posted 8/10/2010 11:27:13 AM | message detail |
Perfect
Dark, like all fps is more about the gameplay than the character. I
just don't believe that Banjo would be that much weaker compare to say
Conker. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
HaRRicH | Posted 8/10/2010 11:32:39 AM | message detail |
Conker
was the N64's swan-song and separated himself from Nintendo's typical
tastes a lot, not to mention he got the 360-port. BK came out in 1998,
pretty much the biggest year of gaming to date (including LoZ:OoT and
RBY) and was seen as a SM64-clone in many ways. I thought BK sold well,
but I don't really know off-hand if that's accurate..... --- Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2010 11:33:31 AM | message detail |
Conker
would do pretty badly nowadays. If Banjo made the contest pre-site
shift, I could see him being Conker level, but not anymore. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
charmander6000 | Posted 8/10/2010 11:35:09 AM | message detail |
Conker's game also came out in 2001 and suffers from FFIX syndrome. --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/10/2010 12:21:13 PM | message detail |
Made a topic for it so Gamespot Contest discussion won't interfere with our carbonated beverage trend analysis. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55887514 XD. Anyways, the Soda poll was from a few months ago. I won't expect to see another one for a while. Not until next year at the earliest. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as Dr_Football, Guru Champ! |
LOLContests | Posted 8/10/2010 1:08:35 PM | message detail |
C.
Falcon's boost in the past several years is puzzling, but I wouldn't be
surprised if he still lost to Wario. The latter put up comparable
numbers to Yuna against Zack, albeit it he did stand out a fair bit in
their match. Speaking of stuff that's shifted. What the hell happened to GTA? The games always did great in GOTY polling, and Vice City looked really impressive in Sp2004. Vercetti wasn't great or anything, but he remained fairly consistent from 2003-2005. Then to top everything off, San Andreas almost makes the Top 10 of The List. Then, just over six months later, GTA suddenly loses to Warcraft (in a match I still don't fully understand), and Vercetti looks like crap in 2007. What happened in that short time frame between The List and the Series Contest? I could see the series falling off in 2007 or so, but the time between San Andreas and the Series Contest wasn't any longer than the time between Vice City and San Andreas. Sure there was a backlash against GTA, but that had been around for years prior to 2006. Why did it suddenly strike then? --- "Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka Dr. Football beat me, Yesmar in the 2010 Guru Contest! |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/10/2010 1:10:34 PM | message detail |
Popularity
faded. GTA doesn't have a stable fanbase: this may sound weird, but its
fanbase was as casual as they come, same as Halo. They don't HAVE
devoted fans, at least not in large numbers. --- Placeholder anti-capslock sig. |
red sox 777 | Posted 8/10/2010 1:32:17 PM | message detail |
Yeah,
the gap between 26% on Crono and 30% on Cloud is huge. I'm inclined to
say Falcon was pretty close to his current strength by 2007 though, and
that the Crono/Falcon match looks like a big fluke more than anything
else. I can't think of any reason why that would be besides the
anecdotal evidence of observing a lot of CT avatars on Smashboards. --- Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2010 1:33:26 PM | message detail |
GTA suffered hard from the Nintendo site shift, for whatever the reason. --- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?" "I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/10/2010 1:34:41 PM | message detail |
People forgot the Falcon fad. --- *is Dranze* Krahen Prophet did a fatality. |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/10/2010 1:35:42 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #497 Good. Terrible series. --- ·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.· http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9846/ultifinished.png |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/10/2010 1:35:53 PM | message detail |
Unlike EarthBound. --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone has one and no one thinks theirs stink." -Lunar 2 |
