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Might as well nominate the first boss of OoT.

Or the first dungeon...!

Great Deku Tree, here we come!

My personal opinion is that RBY/LTTP/SM64 beat either Smash game without too much difficulty.

I would be pretty surprised if LttP or Mario 64 beat Brawl period, much less easily. You want to talk about the game other than Melee that was really underwhelming?

Link to the Past.
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"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

I wouldn't call Loz:LttP underwhelming in the same way SSBM was. Older games in general was, but LoZ:LttP wasn't really one of them. After SM64 beat CT with Yoshi's Island in the poll, beating SM64 was a pretty nice feat. I won't act like CT's what it used to be, but it's a plenty viable threat and SM64 beat it twice. It also embarrassed FF3/6 despite SM and LoZ:LA in the poll, made it to the championship to outlast FFX when they were each facing their superiors, and got ~34.5% against FF7 with SMB3 and SMW in the poll.

It probably wasn't what it was in 2004, but LoZ:LttP did pretty well for itself and didn't really do anything to definitively lose its #3-spot. Not that it's my #3-pick, but still.....
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

Ehhh, that final match with FFVII/OoT/LTTP/FFX can't be taken too seriously because it's obvious that tons of fans abandoned the two games to vote for FFVII or OoT.
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"Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!"
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I agree. Still doesn't hurt.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

But the thing about the Games Contest is that we really have no idea what all those matches are worth. All that LFF made a lot of these matches merely speculation.

Which is why we need a legit one posthaste.
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."

The haters mean jack ****ing ****. Squall has a ton of haters too, yet he's one of the strongest characters here.

I don't think the "haters" do mean anything in general in regards to Brawl. They are a very small number. However, in a match that I could consider otherwise 50/50 I see no reason to not take them into account. I don't think Brawl would lose to any non-Smash Brothers game that's less popular than it.

And Squall definitely does have haters. He only looks good now because of Kingdom Hearts. He was fine in 2002, but not really that impressive. And Tidus himself also definitely has haters. He's not nearly as popular otherwise as he logically should be.
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"Ahem! There is *sand* on my *boot*!"--Kefka
Dr. Football beat me, Yesmar in the 2010 Guru Contest!

Well, I think the amount of hate Brawl gets is overrated anyway. I would imagine the majority of this site's Smash fans are casual players, so I doubt they really care too much about the things a lot of people on this board care about.
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"Stay with me until the end. Please."
"Not until the end. Always."

Brawl is very hard to pin down, since it was only up against modern games until it ran into OOT, and there was lots of LFF everywhere.

As for LTTP, it put up 34.5% on FFVII with 2 other Nintendo games in the poll, the same as FFX put up on OOT with Brawl and MGS4 in the poll. That was a first rate performance given how powerful Triple LFF is, though it was admittedly less great once OOT beat FFVII. Fine- that just makes RBY the favorite over LTTP to me. Earlier in the contest, LTTP beat FFVI 55-45 despite 2 other SNES Nintendo games in the poll- again, it put up good numbers in the face of Triple LFF.

If there were a bad match, it would be the round 4 match with SM64, but since we didn't know how strong SM64 was, other than that it was stronger than Chrono Trigger, I don't think this is actually bad for LTTP.
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Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest.

I dunno, the fact that LTTP hasn't managed to put more distance between CT than it seemingly should have is kinda offputting.

But really, it's hard to say anything until we get a legit Games Contest, and we may not see one for another 2-4 years.
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"Stay with me until the end. Please."
"Not until the end. Always."

The hate for Brawl seems only to be at its highest on this board, probably because of a few people with loud opinions.

Even then yoblazer's Brawl vs. Melee topics have ended with Brawl winning everytime
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Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Not to mention, in 2-4 years, the strengths of the games should have changed to some degree from where they are now that this discussion is somewhat moot.

But I enjoy debating for debate's sake, so whatever.
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I dunno, the fact that LTTP hasn't managed to put more distance between CT than it seemingly should have is kinda offputting.

Not for me. <wry grin> But for what it's worth, I think it's more reasonable to believe that CT is really around the 46-47% area on LTTP/SM64 than the 48-49% you get by taking the CT/SM64 matches at face value. It's hard to see how Yoshi's Island being in the poll could fail to hurt SM64, and the clincher is that SM64 improved on FFVII when CT/GE were replaced with LTTP/FFVI.

The LTTP/FFVI match suggests that LTTP would likely break 60% on FFVI in a 1v1, which is plenty of distance I think.
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Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest.

and the clincher is that SM64 improved on FFVII when CT/GE were replaced with LTTP/FFVI.

Well, I'd expect GE to LFF Mario 64 pretty good, and there's never really been a conclusive FFVII/CT overlap. Plus, FFVI would overlap with FFVII more than CT would anyway, I think, and it's possible that GE could LFF Mario 64 as much, if not more, than LTTP did.
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"That's crazy. I could never do something like that."
"It's not a question of can or can't. There are some things in life you just do."

The hate for Brawl seems only to be at its highest on this board, probably because of a few people with loud opinions.

Even then yoblazer's Brawl vs. Melee topics have ended with Brawl winning everytime

This board is actually the only place online or in real life I frequent where Brawl beats Melee. That probably doesn't mean much, but at least to me, Board 8 feels like one of the most pro-Brawl places there is.

Of course Melee support is still louder here, because most Brawl supporters also like Melee, and it's usually pretty close. But the hardcore (probably not the right word, as there are plenty of SSBM players who are not that good/don't take it that seriously who hold the same views) SSBM community thinks of Brawl as basically the worst game ever.
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Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest.

Leon do you have the bracket for the returner's bracket for the 2007 contest? It's the one where Raiden won.

Likewise HaRRicH do you have the bracket for the games contest rally tournament?

Finally does anyone have the 2005 and 2006 brackets?

I'm thinking of writing articles for each year.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Well, I'd expect GE to LFF Mario 64 pretty good, and there's never really been a conclusive FFVII/CT overlap. Plus, FFVI would overlap with FFVII more than CT would anyway, I think, and it's possible that GE could LFF Mario 64 as much, if not more, than LTTP did.

Yeah, that's why taking CT's 48-49% showings against SM64 is too optimistic (for CT). It probably really was true that GE hurt SM64 than FFVII hurt CT.

Speaking of Goldeneye, I think that's a very underrated game. It could make waves next contest against the right presumed lower top 10 game.
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Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest.

Leon do you have the bracket for the returner's bracket for the 2007 contest? It's the one where Raiden won.

Yeah, right here.

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=197283

Slow started the 2006 contest, so he might still have it somewhere, but good luck getting it from him!

Also, 2005 actually didn't have a bracket. I actually just did a "Gauntlet" style tournament to determine the winners. I didn't actually expect the thing to be very popular at all!

Fun Fact: I did a Games version that year, too, though we never ended up using it, for obvious reasons.

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=92628

29 of the games in this bracket eventually made the 2009 field anyway, so yeah.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Speaking of Goldeneye, I think that's a very underrated game. It could make waves next contest against the right presumed lower top 10 game.

Well, we've been discussing MGS/GoldenEye for years now, so...
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"Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?"
"I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!"

Thanks Leon.

GoldenEye is a decent game, but I don't think it'll defeat MGS, it'll be a close match though.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

I think Goldeneye would have a chance against CT, MGS, FFX, SMW, and SMB3. Maybe even Melee and Brawl if they're at the low end of their possible range, although it's really hard to imagine the SFF not favoring the Smash game in that situation. Not sure how many of those I'd actually take the upset on- actually I think I'm going to stop picking upset specials as much as I can control myself, and only take upsets when I actually feel they'll happen, as I've come to realize picking upset specials because they are upsets is probably a bad strategy for winning.
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Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest.

Ehhhhh, I'm not sure I'd give GoldenEye that much credit. I really don't think Mario World and Mario 3 are that far behind Mario 64, if at all. They just didn't get a chance to prove it against LttP, since, well, they have to deal with each other.
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"The great GF...Bahamut."
"...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..."

Yeah as much as I want to give it credit you still have to remember that SMRPG got 47% on the game.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Speaking of Goldeneye, there hasn't been much discussion about a lot of games that aren't quite strong enough to win the whole contest, and it isn't like the weaker games are easier to predict. Anybody want to try to rank these games?

Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy X
Goldeneye
Kingdom Hearts
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metal Gear Solid
Pokemon GSC
Resident Evil 4
Super Mario Bros.
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Congrats to Dr_Football - Guru Champion 2010

Hey char, here are the results I have saved from when I did the game-NRT in 2008:


#1:
ROUND 1:
/PW:AA - 25
\Geometry Wars - 8
/MMX - 19
\GH2 - 14
/SMW2:YI - 16
\ED - 10
/RE4 - 14
\SotC -15

ROUND 2:
/PW:AA - 6
\MMX - 17
/SMW2:YI - 14
\SotC - 9

ROUND 3:
/MMX - 19
\SMW2:YI - 10


#2:
ROUND 1:
/FF8 - 24
\Halo 2 - 10
/LoZ:MM - 19
\Punch-Out!! - 14
/LoZ:TP - 9
\Barkley - 23
/SMG - 18
\GoW2 - 14

ROUND 2:
/FF8 - 14
\LoZ:MM - 12
/Barkley - 17
\SMG - 12

ROUND 3:
/FF8 - 21.03
\Barkley - 21.07


#3:
ROUND 1:
/ToS - 8
\SMKart - 12
/BioShock - 7
\MM2 - 11
/Pokemon D/P - 9
\Wii Sports - 10
/GH3 - 13
\C:PoR - 6

ROUND 2:
/SMK - 8
\MM2 - 17
/Wii Sports - 13
\GH3 - 12

ROUND 3:
/MM2 - 21
\Wii Sports - 13


#4:
ROUND 1:
/S3&K - 17
\Civ 4 - 4
/KD - 11
\Disgaea - 8
/FE:PoR - 9
\F-Zero GX - 11
/SMB - 18
\ICO - 4

ROUND 2:
/S3&K - 22
\KD - 5
/F-Zero GX - 8
\SMB - 19

ROUND 3:
/S3&K - 14
\SMB - 11


#5:
ROUND 1:
/Pokemon R/B/Y - 17
\Persona 3 - 1
/FF9 - 10.05
\DMC3 - 10.07
/No Mercy - 9
\ES4: Oblivion - 13
/Okami - 14
\KH2 - 8

ROUND 2:
/Pokemon R/B/Y - 18
\DMC3 - 6
/ES4: Oblivion - 8
\Okami - 16

ROUND 3:
/Pokemon R/B/Y - 16
\Okami - 9


#6:
ROUND 1:
/MGS3 - 21
\Cave Story - 5
/C:DoS - 10
\BK - 17
/HL2 - 16
\Psychonauts - 7
/MK64 - 20
\Conker's BFD - 4

ROUND 2:
/MGS3 - 18
\BK - 7
/HL2 - 10
\MK64 - 16

ROUND 3:
/MGS3 - 14
\MK64 - 10


#7:
]ROUND 1:
/Portal - 25
\Halo 3 - 4
/WoW - 21
\TotA - 8
/SSBB - 6
\Paper Mario - 22
/SF64 - 25
\Lost Odyssey - 4

ROUND 2:
/Portal - 11
\WoW - 10
/Paper Mario - 8
\SF64 - 15

ROUND 3:
/Portal - 9
\SF64 - 23


#8:
ROUND 1:
/DKC2 - 19
\Castlevania 3 - 1
/Diablo 2 - 16
\GTA:SA - 4
/KSS - 16
\CoD4 - 7
/CC - 15
\SSB - 7

ROUND 2:
/DKC2 - 20
\Diablo 2 - 10
/KSS - 20
\CC - 9

ROUND 3:
/DKC2 - 21
\KSS - 12


THE SECOND PHASE

4-Mega Man X
6-Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden
5-Mega Man 2
1-Sonic 3 & Knuckles
1-Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
1-Metal Gear Solid 3
2-Star Fox 64
1-Donkey Kong Country 2

MMX - 1
Barkley - 4
MM2 - 0
S3&K - 3
Pokemon R/B/Y - 12
MGS3 - 4
SF64 - 4
DKC2 - 5


6-Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden
1-Sonic 3 & Knuckles
1-Metal Gear Solid 3
2-Star Fox 64
1-Donkey Kong Country 2

Barkley - 7.07
S3&K - 5
MGS3 - 7.05
SF64 - 11
DKC2 - 8


6-Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden
1-Donkey Kong Country 2

Barkley - 11
DKC2 - 25



1st - RBY
2nd - SF64
3rd - DKC2
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

Chrono Trigger
Metal Gear Solid
Goldeneye
Final Fantasy X
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Pokemon GSC
Super Mario Bros.
Kingdom Hearts
Resident Evil 4
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Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest.

Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid
Super Mario Bros.
Chrono Trigger
GoldenEye
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal
Resident Evil 4
Twilight Princess
Kingdom Hearts

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NOMINATE MANNY CALAVERA (GRIM FANDANGO) FOR THE NRT!
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55623751

How did the second phase work?
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Looks lik highest votes win that day and was removed, lowest got eliminated. Re-vote the next day.

I do remember the anti-Barkley push on the last day.
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Thank god for that.

I was wondering what the 7.07/7.05 meant.

I'm guessing it was the tie breaker.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid
Chrono Trigger
Kingdom Hearts
Pokemon GS
Zelda: Twilight Princess
Resident Evil 4
GoldenEye
Super Mario Bros.

We could talk about how I finished Twilight Princess over a month ago for the 2nd time and I didn't feel that it was Best Game Ever material at all (still a great game IMO though), but that's probably unnecessary.

The second phase consisted of the winner of each division. I had the top winner place and the lowest two drop out for three nomination-slots. So, the first day had RBY win so it was first place while the two Mega Man games were removed. Next day, SF64 won so it took second place while S3&K and MGS3 were eliminated (by the way, tie-breakers were first to seven and win by two or more; the decimal points denote when tie-breakers were applied)...and the final day was one-on-one between DKC2 and Barkley for the final nomination-spot. Barkley's absurd push was the most notable trend of the contest, though it's worth noting that it was hard to have a better path or format in the second phase to support it and my lack of star-power to pick up Leonhart's contest didn't allow the vote totals to get in its way much either.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

Also, a lot of people were upset Nintendo went 3/3 for nomination-slots.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

From: charmander6000 | #422
Yeah as much as I want to give it credit you still have to remember that SMRPG got 47% on the game.

LOL 4-WAYS
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There's only one difference between heroes and madmen: It's whether they win or lose.

Hey, Ulti's laughing about stuff in all caps again.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

You're right, remove DKC2 and SMRPG does even better on GE.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Which brings up a worthwhile question: is that match really embarrassing for GE, or just a great match for SMRPG? It blew SF2 away in a time when that match was debated and SF2 was probably more worthwhile, then it went up against CT and may have been SFF'd. It did well enough in the Top 100 List with #26 in 2005, though nothing special there...but that list is pretty much defunct for our purposes, too. Also, the trend of many older games standing the test of time was that they were either Nintendo or Square...SMRPG fits both categories, plus I think it had a VC-release soon before its match.

So, SMRPG got 47% on GE despite DKC2. We couldn't tell how legit this was because of the next round (which was one of the wonkiest matches for judging SFF around), but SMRPG still impressed in some ways. It safely beat MK64 (which got 30% on FF7 the round before despite SF64) and got 42% on GE despite MK64 and FF7 being in the poll. We don't know how GE and MK64 affected each other in this, how much FF7 really affects SMRPG, or how much worse MK64 really should affect SMRPG than DKC2...but for what we got in a crazy four-way match, SMRPG still looked pretty fine.


Would it really be unreasonable to consider SMRPG as an outsider of GE's tier rather than holding it against GE? The only time it hasn't impressed was against CT, which might have been its worst possible opponent...and that was in 2004. LFF was a factor against SMRPG in both of its matches this year...we may just be underestimating what SMRPG's become.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

I'm still surprised that people don't take Super Mario RPG that seriously. It's like people forgot that it's a great game.
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Yeah, SMRPG has always been behind SFF or LFF, so who knows how strong it really is.
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Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast.

Just realized I forgot to rank these games from earlier:

Metal Gear Solid
Twilight Princess
Final Fantasy X
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal (assuming HG/SS helped much)
Chrono Trigger
GoldenEye (if its remake is well-received, I'll bump this up too)
Resident Evil 4
Super Mario Bros.
Kingdom Hearts
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

Whoa, not sure I'd give CT that much grief. I wouldn't take all the games above it to beat Mario 64.
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"So cold. I am always by your side."
"There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!"

I wouldn't take any of them over SM64, though they'd all do respectable and probably make it close; it's not like I think MGS would get 55% on KH, and MGS would put up great numbers on SM64. I think CT would be a little under FFX, but I've thought MGS > FFX for awhile and believe LoZ:TP gets under-rated. I bet GSC is the oddball that caught your attention, but HG/SS likely did more than CTDS to help their original games and now it's GSC instead of just GS. When that's coupled with CT becoming another year older, I'll take my chances there.

I dunno though, it's a tough pack to pick anyway.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

Of course HG/SS helped more. CTDS did nothing.

I don't think adding Crystal to Gold and Silver makes an appreciable difference either.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Maybe not, but it's still a multi-million-selling game that completes that generation. Couple that with HG/SS and consider MGS would be the favorite over CT, and you have an upset I'd probably take.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

consider MGS would be the favorite over CT

Why?
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

FFX/MGS is a popular match people are often torn between with good reason, nobody besides red sox is taking CT > FFX, and the MGS-series is still going on while CT's stagnant. Heck, MGS4 wasn't far from FFX, and general consensus is MGS1 > MGS4 strength-wise. Not that a MGS/CT-match wouldn't be close or people wouldn't pick CT, but MGS would be the more favored game in a match between them.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

I'm an FFX fanatic, and I wouldn't be comfortable taking FFX > CT.

And I think Board 8 would still probably favor CT > MGS as a whole.
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"Stay with me until the end. Please."
"Not until the end. Always."

FFX/MGS is a popular match people are often torn between with good reason, nobody besides red sox is taking CT > FFX, and the MGS-series is still going on while CT's stagnant.

Wait, what? I thought CT > FFX was the favorite pick, and I was the only one taking MGS > FFX!

If it's the other way around, then, things sure have changed in the past year!
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Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast.

...damn, we have a lot of misunderstandings going on!

MGS VS FFX
FFX VS CT
CT VS MGS


I've got MGS > FFX > CT.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

CT = MGS > FFX for me.

Wouldn't expect any of the games to exceed 52% on any of the others though.
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Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast.

Out of bias, I'd go FFX > CT > MGS

But I wouldn't be confident in it.

I'm still not wholly sold on MGS being that far up there yet.
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"It's not a question of can or can't. There are some things in life you just do."