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I'd be game again for Jigglypuff now that Missingno dominated and there were four Nintendo characters in that poll -- three being Pokemon. I still don't think Jigglypuff would be good, but I'm not all-out opposed to it like I was right after that poll.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

I'd probably guess Jigglypuff to be around Mudkip's level personally.
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Wylvane
captainmurphy72 is a horrible user.

I doubt she'd be far from it anyway, one way or another. Funny how a RBY-glitch is insurmountably more popular than a RBY-character who was an original SSB-character.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

I've made a new bracket based on the latest NRT tally. For the newcomers it seems like 3 nominations will be enough when the topic closes on Saturday, worst case scenario maybe a couple of characters will be cut. For the returners however they'll probably want 4 nominations to make it for sure, but they could still make it with 3 if luck is on their side.

For the newcomers the 14-16 seeds have only 2 nominations while in the returners only Abe and Celes have 2 nominations.

NEWCOMERS

Division 1

1) Sazh Katzroy (Final Fantasy XIII)
16) Jay Solano (Operation Shadow)

8) Bill Rizer (Contra)
9) Gray Fox (Metal Gear Solid)

5) Johnny Cage (Mortal Kombat)
12) Mike Haggar (Final Fight)

4) Jigglypuff (Pokemon RBY)
13) Mordin Solus (Mass Effect 2)

6) Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII)
11) Vega (Street Fighter II)

3) Hal “Otacon” Emmerich (Metal Gear Solid)
14) Cactaur (Final Fantasy)

7) Aigis (Persona 3)
10) Sweet Tooth (Twisted Metal)

2) Dracula (Castlevania)
15) Cammy (Super Street Fighter II)

Division 2

1) Zell Dincht (Final Fantasy VIII)
16) Garland (Final Fantasy)

8) Pablo Sanchez (Backyard Sports)
9) Psycho Mantis (Metal Gear Solid)

5) Battler Ushiromiya (Umineko no Naku koro ni)
12) Great Deku Tree (LoZ: Ocarina of Time)

4) Bahamut (Final Fantasy)
13) Rita Mordio (Tales of Vesperia)

6) Brock (Pokemon RBY)
11) G-Man (Half-Life 2)

3) Archer (Fate/Stay Night)
14) Ayla (Chrono Trigger)

7) John Marston (Red Dead Redemption)
10) Robo (Chrono Trigger)

2) Beatrice (Umineko no Naku koro ni)
15) Cranky Kong (Donkey Kong)

Division 3

1) Goomba (Super Mario Bros.)
16) Hazama (Blazblue)

8) Bayonetta (Bayonetta)
9) Jack Frost (Shin Megami Tensei)

5) Mog (Final Fantasy VI)
12) Lyndis (Fire Emblem)

4) Gilgamesh (Final Fantasy V)
13) Mr. Game & Watch (Game & Watch)

6) K. K. Slider (Animal Crossing)
11) Bridget (Guilty Gear XX)

3) Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII)
14) Boko (Final Fantasy V)

7) Dan Hibiki (Street Fighter Alpha)
10) Snow Villiers (Final Fantasy XIII)

2) Dark Link (Zelda II: The Adventures of Link)
15) Chibi-Robo (Chibi-Robo)

Division 4

1) Epona (LoZ: Ocarina of Time)
16) Garrus (Mass Effect)

8) Yuffie Kisaragi (Final Fantasy VII)
9) Oerba Yun Fang (Final Fantasy XIII)

5) Slime (Dragon Quest)
12) Klonoa (Klonoa)

4) Blastoise (Pokemon RBY)
13) Red XIII (Final Fantasy VII)

6) Fighter (Final Fantasy)
11) Dick Gumshoe (Phoenix Wright)

3) Laguna Loire (Final Fantasy VIII)
14) Bass (Mega Man 7)

7) Frogger (Frogger)
10) Sheep Man (Mega Man 10)

2) Squirtle (Pokemon PBY)
15) Chick Quizmo (Paper Mario)


Other characters with 2 nominations
Jimmy Hopkins (Bully)
Kadabra (Pokemon RBY)
King Harkinian (Link: The Faces of Evil)
Kyle Hyde (Hotel Dusk: Room 215)
Mai Shiranui (Fatal Fury 2)
Misty (Pokemon RBY)
Morrigan (Dragon Age: Origins)
Quote (Cave Story)
Raven (Tales of Vesperia)
Reptile (Mortal Kombat)
Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy)
Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear)
The Black Whirlwind (Jade Empire)
The Kid (I Wanna Be The Guy)
ToeJam (ToeJam and Earl)
Waluigi (Mario Tennis)

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Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

RETURNERS

Division 1

1) M. Bison (Street Fighter)
8) Celes Chere (Final Fantasy VI)

4) Dr. Robotnik (Sonic the Hedgehog)
5) Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)

3) Ultros (Final Fantasy VI)
6) Bub (Bust-a-Move)

2) Sarah Kerrigan (Starcraft)
7) Ghaleon (Lunar)

Division 2

1) Diablo (Diablo)
8) Sly Cooper (Sly Cooper)

4) Felix (Golden Sun)
5) Tommy Vercetti (GTA: Vice City)

3) Earthworm Jim (Earthworm Jim)
6) Ada Wong (Resident Evil 2)

2) Toad (Super Mario Bros.)
7) Servbot (Mega Man Legends)

Division 3

1) Master Hand (Super Smash Bros.)
8) Abe (Oddworld)

4) Vyse (Skies of Arcadia)
5) Rayman (Rayman)

3) Bomberman (Bomberman)
6) Aya Brea (Parasite Eve)

2) Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers)
7) Midgar Zolom (Final Fantasy VII)

Division 4

1) Chun-Li (Street Fighter)
8) Tanner (Driver)

4) Viewtiful Joe (Viewtiful Joe)
5) Terry Bogard (King of Fighters)

3) Dr. Wily (Mega Man)
6) Agent J (Elite Beat Agents)

2) Little Mac (Punch-Out!!)
7) Pyramid Head (Silent Hill)


Other characters with 2 nominations
Conker (Conker's Bad Fur Day)
Ivy Valentine (Soul Calibur)
Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
King of All Cosmos (Katamari Damacy)
Kuja (Final Fantasy IX)
Luca Blight (Suikoden II)
Manny Calavera (Grim Fandango)
Ms. Pac-Man (Ms. Pac-Man)
Sam Fisher (Splinter Cell)
Sheena Fujibayashi (Tales of Symphonia)
Tingle (The Legend of Zelda)
Tom Nook (Animal Crossing)
Zelos Wilder (Tales of Symphonia)

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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Epona's screwed in that bracket...she'd have to beat Blastoise THEN Squirtle. One of those two will likely win the NRT this year. If she can get out of the division though, I think she's got a fine shot -- especially if she outlasts Dark Link.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

Er...hold on though, the Round Robin usually consists of the division finalists instead of just the division winners, right? I know there are more than four in the RR.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

You have to make it to the final eight to qualify for the Round Robin.
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"So cold. I am always by your side."
"There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!"

I broke ties by going in alphabetical order, but we were just one spot away from having this 8-pack.

6) Battler Ushiromiya (Umineko no Naku koro ni)
11) G-Man (Half-Life 2)

3) Archer (Fate/Stay Night)
14) Ayla (Chrono Trigger)

7) John Marston (Red Dead Redemption)
10) Robo (Chrono Trigger)

2) Beatrice (Umineko no Naku koro ni)
15) Cranky Kong (Donkey Kong)


G-Man will probably be the favourite there (I'd support John though), but I feel he would have a bandwagon should he reach the round robin and could even win a nomination spot.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

I'd be surprised if Robo didn't win that.
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"That's crazy. I could never do something like that."
"It's not a question of can or can't. There are some things in life you just do."

Chrono Trigger has been on a "downward spiral". Even though the board still likes the game I don't feel that people want another CT character.

Though given that 8-pack Robo could win that, though he'll probably play the role as punching bag during the RR.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Let's discuss who will likely be the strongest newcomer of the NRT. I think a good starting point would be looking at this match:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3740

It gives us a base to compare Dark Link/Epona and Blastoise/Squirtle. I got nothing for the Blastoise/Squirtle-argument other than I bet either of them would beat Mewtwo at this point. Dark Link's probably stronger than Epona, but I wouldn't trust Dark Link in any match with another major LoZ-character (including Epona) and don't think he'll be a contest-wrecker or near-elite. I don't know how I feel about him against other major Nintendo-characters outside of the LoZ-fanbase, but he feels like shallow support with the range for solid damage.

Then again, I thought Zack would lose to Yuna, but that's not that close to the same situation either. Whatever, time'll tell.

From there, Sazh will probably do well if Lighting could impress before FF13 was released in America (though I really don't know anything about him other than he's black). You could argue for Zell based on getting second place in the old FF8-poll and the success of Squall/FF8 after all these years, but that doesn't feel honest. Barret likely won't be any stronger than Cid, though I don't know if that necessarily takes him out of contention for the strongest newcomer. Dracula is the real wildcard, assuming he's even eligible...but I'd be cautious of taking him over Alucard anyway, which wouldn't make his position in this argument favorable. Goomba has an outside shot if he's joke-supported, but I doubt Toad would beat most of the characters mentioned so far and I don't trust putting Goomba higher than him.


So...out of the characters I know well enough, my bet's the winner of Blastoise/Squirtle, with Dark Link having an outside shot.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

And hell yeah for G-Man if he could get that. Robo'd be a threat and I think the board would push for Beatrice in a ****ty eight-pack like that, but G-Man would be fun to see get some contest recognition. I'd take him over Alyx Vance, at least, though that means very little.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

The only reading we have on Barret is the old one from 2002.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=845

Yes, I know, 'lol multi-character polls' and all that, but Cid/Aeris stayed fairly constant in relation to each other since 2002, and Cid has being a Cid, I think Barret not only would be weaker than Cid, but he'd be weaker by a huge gap. I think it'd be down to the Nintendo foursome for the strongest NRT newcomer, although I'd love to see Dracula wreck some brackets.
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Dan Gilbert owns.

Dark Link has the potential for being the strongest newcomer, but should he flop looking over the most nominated characters we have...

Barret/Red XIII - Not sure who would be stronger, but both will likely be weaker than Cid, not that it would be bad.
Sazh - I'm not that confident that he'll be the strongest, but I bet he'll have decent strength.
Squirtle - Yes I'm that confident that Squirtle is stronger than Blastoise. However I'm not sure whether or not he'll be stronger than Mewtwo. At worst Squirtle may only be as strong as Jigglypuff.
Epona - I'm not really feeling the love here. She'll easily be above the fodderline, but I wouldn't be confident on taking her over a lot of things.
Goomba - I think joke voters are gone in 1v1, in terms of his own strength Goomba may break the fodderline.
Dracula - If he's allowed he'll have decent strength, but again I don't feel that he'll be that strong to be the strongest newcomer.
Bahamut/Chocobo - Personally I feel he's being overlooked, he won't be the strongest, but he'll have decent strength.

There's probably only a few more that may be more than a low midcarder, but I can't think of any right now.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Robo would probably destroy that 8-pack in a contest. And he'd probably be around the fodder line, so.......that is a really really weak 8-pack.
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Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest.

Somebody needs to check to make sure Dracula's eligible.

In case you're curious, here's last year's NRT bracket:

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=328271

Fun Fact: Epona and Dark Link both lost round 1 last year, including Dark Link getting DOUBLED by Locke Cole.

So yeah, I really don't expect Dark Link to get NRT support. He's too polarizing.

Chocobo did really well last year though, so that should be good news for Goomba.
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"I can set you free, mate."
"My freedom was forfeit long ago!"

Dark Link will suffer from anti-votes from people not wanting to see another Link and should he get stuck with someone decent he may not even reach the RR.

Of course this wouldn't be the first time the board's opinion has changed over the span of a short time. I remember in 2004 that people were claiming that Diddy Kong was weak and that a meaningful rally would never happen.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

I remember in 2004 that people were claiming that Diddy Kong was weak and that a meaningful rally would never happen.

For what it's worth, they were right on both counts! He got NRT support in 2007, but he was by far the least supported NRT character we've ever had.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Is this the first character-NRT since LoZ:OoT became the top game here? I think so, and I bet that's changed some perceptions about trying to get more LoZ-characters. On top of that, Ulti and I have each gotten some pretty solid attention for the two; just looking at their seeding that contest and this contest shows it, not to mention Doc Louis being a four-seed and winning a match before a beatdown by Red as opposed to...no nominations this year. I expect both of them to do considerably better this year.


I do think Dark Link's too polarizing to really win in the NRT, but I think the same really goes for any other LoZ-character we haven't already seen (plus Tingle, somehow...twice). People just often view the rest as way too weak or jokes when we've only seen...what, five characters from the series? We've seen eight just from FF7, including the Midgar Zolom. Considering LoZ > FF/LoZ:OoT > FF7/Link > Cloud and LoZ:OoT is being remade -- nevermind what LoZ:SS might have -- we could stand to at least try some other characters. LoZ:OoT is probably the best source for new characters. I think Epona has more face-time since 1998 than Zelda or Ganon has in the entire series, and Dark Link would have some strength too. Maybe there's another surprise too, though I doubt it...

...it's time we try some of them though, even if I don't want any part in helping Dark Link in a contest.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

Could we get a list/link of winners in each NRT and how many nominations each of them garnered, por favor?
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

Is this the first character-NRT since LoZ:OoT became the top game here?

Nope, the one where Epona and Dark Link lost in round 1 was.
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"Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!"
"Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!"

How did Diddy Kong ever win a spot anyway?

Donkey Kong was never anything special and it was going to be clear that the guy will be weaker than him. Was it with the rise of Nintendo we were looking for other characters?
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

From: HaRRicH | #371
Could we get a list/link of winners in each NRT and how many nominations each of them garnered, por favor?

I could give you a list of winners, but I've never saved total nominations.

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Nomination_Rally_Tournament

I also have a link to the 2007 NRT bracket (which Mewtwo won):

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=197331
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"That's crazy. I could never do something like that."
"It's not a question of can or can't. There are some things in life you just do."

I was looking at the past contests and I've noticed that Locke has been largely forgotten. I can understand Yoshimitsu's disappearance, but Locke has been a staple in these contests since I can remember.

At least Mog is getting nominated...
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Yeah, as I've said before, I want more OOT characters in the contest. I think a lot of these characters that people often dismiss quickly could be as high as midcarders. If FFVII can have 10+ characters at the midcard or higher level, why should OOT only have 3?
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Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest.

I honestly think the Great Deku Tree might have some strength.

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Final Fantasy XIII review: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps3/review/R140434.html
You're pretty good, Dr_Football.

I've always thought Malon would have some strength.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

So how long until half the contest is made up of Pokemon?
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I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo
Now this is entertainment!

If there's such a thing as an OoT joke character, it's the Great Deku Tree.

But heck, I'd root for it. *rimshot*
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Dan Gilbert owns.

The Deku Tree would not be a joke at all. He's a serious and very important character.
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Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest.

I'm well aware of that.

He is still a tree.
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Dan Gilbert owns.

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #380
If there's such a thing as an OoT joke character, it's the Great Deku Tree.

But heck, I'd root for it. *rimshot*

Bingo. It's pretty much a vote for a tree-themed dungeon.

From: red sox 777 | #381
The Deku Tree would not be a joke at all. He's a serious and very important character.

Also true.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

It's of little importance character-wise, but I thought it was worth mentioning since Starcraft 2 is nearly here; here's a poll from Facebook, currently with 73,000+ votes:


Which race are you most excited to play?
27% - Zerg
41% - Protoss
32% - Terran
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

FOR AIUR!
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I guarantee I'll be the greatest thing you ever had.

I was thinking more about an OOT/FFVII-less games contest, and I think it's possible we might have less than 20% support for all games in the final in the Guru. That would be rather unprecedented, as it is usually above 90%, and I don't think has ever been below 50% (maybe 2005/6, but if Samus didn't have a majority, she was close).

RBY would probably be the favorite, but I'm sure Brawl, Melee, and LTTP at least would also get lots of support, and the Mario trio and CT are sure to get some support for champion too. Games like MGS, FFX, and TP that will also get their small share of backers, and of course there are always a few people that take huge longshots (SMB1, Farmville, World of Warcraft, that kind of thing). I don't think any game would get 30% support in the Guru, and very possibly no game will get 20%.
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Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest.

From: LeonhartFour | #367
Somebody needs to check to make sure Dracula's eligible.

Oh, right.

I did that, and he's not.
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"The metal board doesn't hate music that isn't metal. They hate music that's bad." -Lucid Faia

From: UItimaterializer | #387
Oh, right.

I did that, and he's not.

Well, that's good to know. I guess I'll have to remove him from the NRT.
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"Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?"
"I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!"

Ha, I just asked since I hadn't heard from anyone about it yet. I guess I should think of something else to do with my feedback while I'm still on that page in my other tab.....


I guess Diablo and Amaterasu are far enough removed from their origins, but Dracula isn't. Good to know, at least.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

Dracula would've done very well, probably. Darn. :/ Alucard vs Dracula would be amusing to see, for sure. =p

RBY would probably be the favorite, but I'm sure Brawl, Melee, and LTTP at least would also get lots of support, and the Mario trio and CT are sure to get some support for champion too. Games like MGS, FFX, and TP that will also get their small share of backers, and of course there are always a few people that take huge longshots (SMB1, Farmville, World of Warcraft, that kind of thing). I don't think any game would get 30% support in the Guru, and very possibly no game will get 20%.

Someone thinks Melee is a contender when Brawlis there? I think it's quite clear that SSBB is the stronger title. SSBB not only did better against Zelda: OoT, but also did a whole lot better against MGS4 than FFX did...and Melee didn't beat FFX by much even despite KH's leeching. If Brawl and Melee faced each other, Brawl just might benefit from a bunch of SFF, too, though I don't really know. If SSBM would get very many picks over SSBB I would be surprised.

Anyway, I agree with RBY, Brawl, and LttP as the most considered contenders. Any of the big three Mario games could get support, but Mario 64 would probably get the most support, since it was the only one that proved it could compete with LttP. I would randomly predict something like...

RBY: 30%
Brawl: 20%
LttP: 15%
Chrono Trigger: 5%
Mario 64: 5%
Mario World: 5%
Other: 20%

(Still sad to see that these are only Nintendo/Square...) Starcraft II might get some good support, as well any other potential new game I'm forgetting about. I totally agree that a FF7/OoT-less contest would rock! 1-on-1 would be my preferred method.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

So what would be the strongest non-Nintendo/Square game? I know we've asked this one several times, but why not ask it again?

I'd say probably MGS1.
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Brawl vs. Melee strikes me as one of those matches where Brawl might be indirectly stronger, but Melee beats it head to head.

People are too quick to look at the real world when it comes to Brawl's success. While it obviously sold more copies, ownership rates of the Wii and Gamecube on GameFAQS are almost identical, so I really have no reason to favor one over the other, especially now that Brawl is even one more year removed from its release date. I don't give all the Brawl haters complaints much credence, but when two games are so evenly matched otherwise, and when the fanbase for them here appears so monolithic, it might make the difference in a close one.
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Dr. Football beat me, Yesmar in the 2010 Guru Contest!

I'm gonna say something I've thought for awhile that might be controversial but really shouldn't be: I'm not very confident SSBM would have beaten FFX if KH wasn' there last year.


MGS2 jumped from 38% on FFX to 42% when KH was introduced, and FFX-with-KH (and D2 if you want to throw another RPG into the mix) got a little over 45% on SSBM last year. SSBM was rather unimpressive last year outside of beating LoZ:WW like RBY beat LoZ:MM, but SSBM/LoZ:WW has more room for SFF than RBY/LoZ:MM due to sharing the same system...and given the power of the N64-era, LoZ:MM really might be stronger than LoZ:WW anyway. SSBB is clearly where the fanbase is at now, so there may have been some fans who left SSBM (and the Gamecube in general, really). Throw in that SSBM/FFX were already close in 2004...

...that's a rematch that can be pretty easily over-turned, but nobody really likes to talk about SSBM not being so impressive anymore. It took awhile for people to concede SSBB is stronger though (including Yesmar, apparently!), so I'm not too surprised.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

Brawl vs. Melee in a 3rd round match would be absolutely awesome to see, especially to see if the winner loses steam in the next match or not from the potential backlash.
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I'm so bad. I'm so good that I'm so bad.
I guarantee I'll be the greatest thing you ever had.

I'm not very confident SSBM would have beaten FFX if KH wasn' there last year.

It was the match pic's fault in 2004, you guys! I'm tellin' ya!
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I'd honestly be very surprised at SSBB > SSBM on a site where both games are demigods. Melee seems more like the game that the hardcore SSB fans would prefer.

This site's opinions are silly in several ways, and there's another one for you. I'd take Brawl to beat Melee, but for concession I would not pick either game to be all that strong (not top 5 level meaning). Hopefully not.

The haters mean jack ****ing ****. Squall has a ton of haters too, yet he's one of the strongest characters here. All the Smash fans are aboard the Brawl train, and Melee isn't what it used to be. It's pretty damn obvious Brawl hasn't been hit with anti-votes the way characters like Master Chief or Sephiroth have been hit, so I don't see why it having haters is that big a deal. It's still one of the best contenders for third-strongest game, and Melee just isn't as strong as it used to be.

I wouldn't mind seeing Dark Link in a contest just to see him bomb horribly. The more I think about it, the worse I think he does. The fanbase isn't that damn blind, and Dark Link is, what, a boss in two games, one of which is essentially irrelevant? Might as well nominate the first boss of OoT.

You see, Final Fantasy is much more character driven than Zelda as a series, at least in the later games. The only time we see any character development is Midna. Other than that, who really, honestly gives a **** about, say, Malon or the King of Red Lions enough to vote for them? People only give a **** about the big three, and everyone else besides maybe Midna and Epona would just be a waste of space. OoT isn't FF7, where even its weaker characters are midcarders. I think Epona's the only new Zelda character that needs nominating, and that's because she's a huge staple in the two biggest Zelda games on the site.

That, or Tingle, just in the off-chance we can get a Link/Tingle match happening so that fat idiot manchild can have his bulbous ass served to him.
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Wylvane
_Panuru_ is a horrible user.

I've been holding Melee and Brawl to be essentially equal (and take Melee in a direct match out of favortism). I don't think the OOT comparison proves much as Melee was behind Triple SFF, which has been known to absolutely destroy the game at the bottom of it.

MGS2 jumped from 38% on FFX to 42% when KH was introduced, and FFX-with-KH (and D2 if you want to throw another RPG into the mix) got a little over 45% on SSBM last year.

This is a good point. For some reason I had thought MGS2 didn't gain quite that much on FFX when KH entered the picture. That does put FFX uncomfortably close to SSBM, although FFX actually outdid what Brawl got on MGS4 in the GOTY 1v1 final. Round 3 of the contest says Brawl is a lot stronger than MGS4, but I don't trust that match as it doesn't match up with the rest of the contest- in particular, it makes the required amount of LFF between Brawl and TP in round 4 huge, especially since MGS4 and RE4 probably hurt each other some too. It makes more sense that Brawl stood out very well in round 3 and took some advantage.

In any case, I'm not taking either of them to win a FFVII/OOT-less contest. My personal opinion is that RBY/LTTP/SM64 beat either Smash game without too much difficulty.
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Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest.

I sure hope a Smash game isn't the 3rd strongest on this site.

3) Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII)
14) Boko (Final Fantasy V)

oh snap.
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Virtue - "You don't need a reason to no lynch."