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SMRPG should be given respect, but at the same time it should be clear that the game is notably weaker than the Big Mario 3.

SMRPG vs. SMB though could be an interesting match, minus SFF.
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Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

SMRPG should be given respect, but at the same time it should be clear that the game is notably weaker than the Big Mario 3.

Well, that's pretty obvious, considering Mario RPG and Mario World both faced CT in 2004, with World coming out noticeably better.

That still ends with Mario RPG getting 40% on World, assuming no funny business, and that's really good.
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Speaking of SMB1, how strong do you think it is relative to SMB3 before SFF? I rather like creative's guess of 46% from last year. It may be a case of using the 2004 stats when I shouldn't, but I cannot imagine how Zelda 1 could have possibly lost ground to SMB3 in the 5 years between the contests, since it is clearly tremendously favored among the younger crowd, so I have to take 44% as a lower limit for Zelda 1 against SMB3. SMB1's got to be a little higher than that.
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Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast.

Mario 1 is probably in the 20-30 range.

Also didn't LeonHart's stats have Kingdom Hearts ahead of Super Mario 3? Man, what is GameFAQs coming to?

Twilight Princess
FFX
MGS
KH
RE4
Trigger
GSC
Goldeneye

with Mario 1 in its own bizarre state of being above all the games on the list and below them at the same time.
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Anyone have any ideas why TP went from barely edging RE4 and KH2 in round two to crushing MGS3 and RE4 in the very next round? That's a massive swing, and there were no other Nintendo games in either poll.

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You're pretty good, Dr_Football.

I think KH2 has a lot more in common with the Zelda fanbase than the Resident Evil fanbase.

At least that's the theory behind why I put TP on top of my list, so this means I'm wrong and it's because all the RE4 fans were at a RE5 party on the day of RE4/MGS3/TP.
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I'd also say MGS3 and RE4 have more in common too.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Yeah, I'd imagine MGS3 and RE4 probably have some degree of overlap. That's been the common theory we've held since then anyway.
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about PW/Jecht

Remember when we thought TP was going to SFF RE4 to give KH2 the win?
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Today's poll should be interesting.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

GameFAQs is still Pokecrazy, it seems.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6R3FKWEFD4

1. Ammy boost!
2. Not even they can spell her name right! (at least they got it right in the game)

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DFF

Now it's time for a Viewtiful Joe boost and a Phoenix Wright announcement!
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Nomination Rally Tournament topic: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55714309
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Yeah, I'd imagine MGS3 and RE4 probably have some degree of overlap. That's been the common theory we've held since then anyway.

I have to agree with Leon and charmander here; I think it's the most logical reason why RE4 did so much worse in Round 3. MGS3 lost ground in relation to Oblivion. I think it also partly has to do with RE4 being rather unstable, kind of like Leon Kennedy when the competition gets rough. We've seen Leon crumble a couple of times from tough competition in 4-way already.

I really do think if we ran RE4 vs. MGS3 in a 2-way poll, RE4 would win like 55-45. Also, I think RE4 would give a good fight with MGS4, closer than what the RE4/MGS4/Brawl/TP match shows...

Speaking of SMB1, how strong do you think it is relative to SMB3 before SFF?
This is a very interesting question. If we look SMB/Zelda/Metroid/Ninja Gaiden in Round 2, Zelda is worth 45% on SMB. This could mean that SMB is practically neck-and-neck with SMB3 before SFF. I wouldn't be too shocked at this; we saw what FF2, who looked bad against Mario World, did to FF1, which did quite well against both World and Bros. 3.

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The round 3 Zelda/SMB match, which puts Zelda at 49% on SMB, makes a lot more sense to me.

I agree that RE and MGS hurt each other. It's very interesting, though not surprising, how the modern games had a lot more LFF against each other than the older games. The reason is likely that the major old games overlap heavily with everything, and we thus don't observe as much LFF, since it is differences in overlap that causes it.
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Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast.

Since we're discussing the Games Contest, I thought it'd be a good time to bring out my 4-way votal-stats again. How it works is each game gets a votal-stat in each round by taking (the total number of votes - 95,000) and multiplying by the game's percentage. Think of it as the game's "contribution" to the votals, if you will, and the 95,000 as the base of people who will always vote. The game's final votal-stat is just the average of all its v-stats for all the rounds it was in.

This method is less susceptible to LFF and SFF than conventional x-stats for 4-ways, because a game's v-stat is based on multiple rounds, and stats are not extrapolated between rounds. If a game is SFF'd to death in the semifinals, while it will hurt, it won't utterly destroy that game's stats and the stats of all the games behind it, as it would with x-stats.

The results for the games contest were surprisingly good to me- I think they are actually a good deal better than the unadjusted x-stats. The results for latest 1v1 character battle, however, were not encouraging, and I gave up calculating them as I realized they were going to useless, especially as x-stats already do such a good job with 1v1s. So here they are:
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Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast.

Remember, all stats are unadjusted, so don't expect a game to be where you expect it to be in these, if it was involved in major SFF or LFF.

Ocarina of Time 50.00
Final Fantasy VII 46.71
Metal Gear Solid 37.77
Chrono Trigger 36.38
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow 36.00
The Legend of Zelda 35.83
Twilight Princess 35.55
Kingdom Hearts 2 35.09
Super Smash Bros. Melee 35.03
Super Mario 64 34.45
Super Mario World 34.11
Kingdom Hearts 34.02
Final Fantasy X 33.62
Super Mario Bros. 3 33.59
Super Smash Bros. Brawl 33.41
Final Fantasy 33.38
Pokemon Gold/Silver 33.32
A Link to the Past 33.28
Final Fantasy VIII 32.99
Resident Evil 4 32.90
Super Mario Bros. 32.59
Majora's Mask 31.45
Final Fantasy XII 31.06
Metal Gear Solid 3 30.81
Goldeneye 007 29.63
Metal Gear Solid 4 29.41
Metroid Prime 29.18
Final Fantasy Tactics 28.96
Metal Gear Solid 2 28.84
Starcraft 28.07
Resident Evil 2 27.99
Final Fantasy VI 27.90
Final Fantasy IX 27.86
Super Mario RPG 27.83
Shadow of the Colossus 27.69
Half-Life 2 27.43
Vice City 26.72
Oblivion 26.45
Diablo II 26.44
God of War 25.92
Knights of the Old Republic 25.48
Tetris 25.24
Half-Life 25.22
Battletoads 25.13
Sonic the Hedgehog 25.07
Link's Awakening 24.86
San Andreas 24.81
Wind Waker 24.66
Halo 24.49
Super Mario Kart 24.21
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 24.04
Mario Kart 64 23.75
Halo 2 23.47
Grand Theft Auto 3 23.47
World of Warcraft 23.22
Tales of Symphonia 22.93
Resident Evil 2 22.89
Call of Duty 4 22.61
Super Metroid 22.45
Oregon Trail 22.41
Morrowind 22.39
Final Fantasy IV 22.03
Grand Theft Auto 4 22.00
Street Fighter II 21.98
Star Fox 64 21.74
Gears of War 21.19
Megaman 2 21.04
Okami 20.98
Megaman X 20.95
Fallout 3 20.70
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl 20.54
Paper Mario 20.49
Symphony of the Night 19.87
Doom 19.59
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 19.43
Chrono Cross 19.29
Soul Calibur 18.89
Super Mario Galaxy 18.42
Portal 18.35
Pong 18.23
Earthbound 18.08
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 17.84
Pac-Man 17.76
Yoshi's Island 17.35
Punch-Out 17.20
Street Fighter IV 17.16
Persona 4 17.15
Disgaea 16.88
Megaman 3 16.68
Secret of Mana 16.48
Bioshock 16.33
Xenogears 16.22
Donkey Kong Country 15.38
Metroid 15.21
Perfect Dark 15.15
Mortal Kombat II 15.13
Contra 14.77
Halo 3 14.34
Kirby Super Star 13.75
Donkey Kong Country 2 13.47
Silent Hill 2 13.15
Fire Emblem 12.74
Donkey Kong 12.29
Deux Ex 12.07
Team Fortress 2 11.99
Banjo-Kazooie 11.77
Suikoden 11.63
Duck Hunt 11.10
SimCity 10.73
Streets of Rage 2 10.24
Secret of Monkey Island 9.86
Ninja Gaiden 9.83
Dragon Warrior III 9.17
Space Invaders 9.14
Civilization 9.12
LittleBigPlanet 8.72
Castlevania III 8.41
River City Ransom 8.38
Left 4 Dead 8.37
Prince of Persia 8.07
Tecmo Super Bowl 7.01
Galaga 6.86
Gunstar Heroes 6.40
Mass Effect 6.27
Lufia II 5.65
Shining Force 2 4.68
Phantasy Star IV 4.10
Crystalis 3.51

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Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast.

The fact that Final Fantasy XII is ahead of Half-Life 2 completely invalidates those stats. Or so I think.

Also I have played Pokemon games but not very often and rather irregularly, and since I'm not playing on my DS much I'm not buying any games for it. So not only do I not own a Pokemon game, but I don't think I'll have one anytime in the foreseeable future.

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Yeah, for some reason Half Life 2's R2 match got a lot fewer votes than its R1 match, but hey, you've got to expect stuff like that happening. It's not a huge gap in any case.

I forgot to mention: it's probably best not to calculate from these like normal x-stats. The numbers I posted in this topic are each game's projected percentage against OOT, but their projected percentages against each other differ from what you get using an x-stats calcuation and the stats relative to OOT. The calculation that makes these stats internally consistent is:

Percentage Game 1 gets against Game 2 = 100*[Vstat1 / (1 - Vstat1/100)] / [(Vstat1 / (1 - Vstat1/100) + Vstat2 / (1 - Vstat2/100)]

Where 2 is a stronger game than 1.

It's inherently nonlinear, but 4-ways probably are nonlinear anyway, so that doesn't feel like a huge problem. In any case, the discrepancy between this method and just calculating like x-stats using these stats is small. Basically this method predicts a slightly closer match than the multiplying percentages method we're familiar with.

Also, the theoretical underpinning of this is very vague and not fleshed out at this time, but that needn't stop fun with numbers.
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Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast.

And speaking of internal consistency, normal linear x-stats are NOT internally consistent in 4-ways. The extrapolated result between A and C going through B is slightly different from the actual result between A and C.

This makes it possible to make any character worth an arbitrarily low percentage on any other character they had a 4-way match with, using ONLY THE ONE MATCH, by extrapolating through 3 characters in the same match over and over.
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Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast.

Argh, I'm trying to come up with non-arbitrary adjustments for SFF and LFF for these, and it's not going well. The system seems to really like games that get blowouts, and the first round numbers are systematically higher than those of the latter rounds. I guess that makes sense, because stronger games necessarily overlap more with each other (FFVII and OOT have tons of mutual fans because their fanbases are so big). Normally we see LFF as disproportionate overlap, but overlap exists even if it isn't disproportionate, and it doesn't help with adjusting these stats.
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Crono > Sephiroth. 7 years of waiting, and perhaps many more to go. Remain steadfast.

Friendly bump.
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Nominate EPONA for Character Battle 9:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/55150177

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Ocarina of Time 50.00
Final Fantasy VII 46.71
Metal Gear Solid 37.77

A gap bigger than the distance between ears on Cloud's face.

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Oh and Wigs, I'll let you trap me.

##Spiral
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"Indie cred lost its indie cred when a term for indie cred was created." -Viktor Vaughn

Just dropping in.
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So v, you feeling better about the MK trailer yet?
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Things are looking good. The last time I anticipated a MK this much was probably Deadly Alliance. We need some more news soon though, it's been a long time since E3 now. Supposedly it's going to be shown more at PAX, but unfortunately we probably won't get the chance to go cover it as a website.
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I remember you were upset that day, which was weird. If you're an MK fan, I don't see why you'd be weirded out by that trailer making people happy. I mean obviously MK sees how well Street Fighter 4 has done and wants to cash in, but that's fine.
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I usually have that reaction early on with any MK game for some reason, probably due to the long string of disappointments. I typically warm up to them after a while, except for Armageddon anyway.
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Also that dumb MK vs DC game or whatever it was.
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It was a disappointing overall because it sort of didn't feel much like Mortal Kombat, but gameplay wise it was a step in the right direction. Regardless, this upcoming contest should give some of the MK characters a boost. Hopefully Johnny Cage and Reptile can do well in the NRT.
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lol Johnny Cage jobbing in the trailer
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A little known trivia fact: Johnny Cage was shown to be the most selected character in Mortal Kombat 1 on arcade machines.
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I agree that we should try for a third Mortal Kombat character, but who in your opinion would be the third strongest?

Johhny Cage and Reptile seem like good candidates.

In this poll done in 2004 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1788 Raiden came in third, but to me that feels wrong.
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Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

Johnny Cage's nutcracker is also the greatest all-time MK move.
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"But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside."
"I am lightning...the rain transformed."

Well, that was my basis for trying to get Raiden in (I nominated him, but no one else was). Johnny seems like a decent candidate. From my time on the MKO website though, ninja are very popular among the MK fanbase and Reptile is the most popular of them (besides the big two). Any of them would be good selections I think, and this is the best year since the contest has been running to rally one of them in.

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1416/getcaged.jpg
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It always surprises me to see how poorly Cage did in that MK character poll. My friends and I always loved to play as him. He was like the best non-ninja guy.
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The facts don't add up really, maybe the poll isn't a clear representation. I think it's a tough thing to go against Sub-Zero and Scorpion... I can't imagine Raiden winning a poll where those two were taken out to be honest.
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Looking at the NRT Johnny Cage probably has the best chance, but even then the best I can see him doing is reaching the round robin. Reptile on the other hand has to go through three rounds of tough opponents.
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Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats
Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

i never liked cage. too boring imho
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In a poll with the two big ninjas, it's hard to vote for anybody else really. I'd probably take Reptile over the rest of those guys too. Raiden was the guy on the MK-machines and had the great dive-attack with a distinct look, so between that and the MK-poll I would still favor him over Johnny Cage (though that's an interesting tidbit about him being the most selected)...but I don't buy the other MK-characters being THAT far behind Scorpion.
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They shouldn't be, the notable ones anyway. I think as a series Mortal Kombat probably has the strongest core of characters. Ryu is the strongest overall, but there's a big drop off after a few SF characters I think. Most any of the Mortal Kombat II characters would be above the fodder line, almost definitely.
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Most any of the Mortal Kombat II characters would be above the fodder line, almost definitely.

Johnny Cage
Liu Kang
Raiden
Reptile
Shang Tsung

Anyone else?
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Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce1ciAC864U

This is why Johnny Cage is the man.
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"Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?"
"I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!"

Aw yeah
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"Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?"
"I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!"