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Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/4/2010 6:24:15 AM | message detail

From: HasteTwo | #293
So, does this make topic 901 or 899, then?

To give you guys something to predict:

Super Smash Bros. Brawl vs. Pokemon RBY
Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Zelda: Majora's Mask
Super Mario World vs. Metal Gear Solid
Goldeneye vs. Kingdom Hearts
Call of Duty 4 vs. Portal
God of War III vs. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Street Fighter II vs. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island


Brawl (Screw everyone else, I'll always back a Smash Bros game in a Game Contest, #3 game on the site baby)
Tactics (Tactics has fallen here, but I have no faith in Majora's Mask, even if it did do decent in retrospect)
MGS (Close one, but I don't think the early Mario games are as dominant as they once were, while MGS being in the 32-bit gen really helps with the current GameFAQs audience)
Kingdom Hearts (Goldeneye is no match for the Square-Enix fanboys here)
Portal (Has the memes, has Valve, has WCC, and ages better than CoD4)
MW2 (Just plain bigger here, GoW games aren't gonna be as strong as their character)
Yoshi's Island (Street Fighter 2 LOSES!?)
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/4/2010 6:31:56 AM | message detail
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Zelda: Majora's Mask
Super Mario World
Goldeneye
Call of Duty 4
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island

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Kotetsu534 | Posted 6/4/2010 6:51:28 AM | message detail
Pokemon RBY (pretty much a "gut" pick, but I think Pokemon's base is very solid now)
Zelda: Majora's Mask (comparing their performances on MGS from 09 this seems logical)
Super Mario World (MGS is weaker than RBY sapped by OoT... not sure how it can be stronger than SMW on its own)
Kingdom Hearts (KH came 4% short of beating FFX, Goldeneye was a long way below CT and SM64)
Portal (although CoD4 might've taken Portal back in 09, I fell Activision's bust-up, Portal 2 and Portal being free for a few days should give Portal the boost it needs to get past it)
Modern Warfare 2 (if Uncharted 2 couldn't beat it, GoW3 ain't)
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (got trounced by CT horridly, but Street Fighter 2 lost to Sonic, which didn't get near SMW/Bros 3, and I think SMW2 will benefit more than SF2 from a "heads up" scenario)

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charmander6000 | Posted 6/4/2010 6:58:11 AM | message detail
Goldeneye was a long way below CT and SM64

Goldeneye also got its worst opponent other than OoT.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 6/4/2010 7:11:19 AM | message detail
Perfect Dark wasn't in the poll. >.>

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charmander6000 | Posted 6/4/2010 7:21:45 AM | message detail
GE is probably PD's worst opponent >_>
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voltch | Posted 6/4/2010 7:25:08 AM | message detail
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 6/4/2010 8:17:16 AM | message detail
Pokemon RBY (Gonna trust modern Nintendo to draw anti-votes)
Zelda: Majora's Mask (it's 'bad' performance is kinda offset by the fact that RBY is either completely immune to getting touched by Zelda, or otherwise is so easily the site's number 3 that the round 1 match was convincingly good)
Super Mario World (Freaking Mario)
Goldeneye (KH's sudden drop last contest has me worried about it)
Call of Duty 4 (meh)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Proven semi-strong game vs. unknown, where the unknown's original lost to Tales of Symphonia)
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (I have no faith in Street Fighter II to not choke)
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2010 8:50:38 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #300
When did that happen? Especially after SM64's and MGS's performance last year.


Perhaps out of its league was strong, but after SM64 beat CT despite Yoshi's Island and was only three hundred votes behind LoZ:LttP, SM64 has a fine argument for the strongest Mario-game and #4 game overall last year. Not that MGS had a bad year or anything, but it's not a guaranteed top-ten game whereas SM64 is. I know the top fifteen or so are all close together and it'd be close, but not many people are taking MGS in that match-up. SM3/SMBW are better opponents for MGS now, that's all.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2010 8:52:15 AM | message detail
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 6/4/2010 11:36:37 AM | message detail
I'm probably the last person to notice, but creativename's site is all ****ed up. I'm guessing the URL changes from a while ago did it. Has anyone notified him?
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paulg235 | Posted 6/4/2010 11:38:31 AM | message detail
Pokemon RBY
Zelda: Majora's Mask
Super Mario World
Kingdom Hearts
Call of Duty 4
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 6/4/2010 11:40:03 AM | message detail
Super Smash Bros. Brawl vs. Pokemon RBY
Depends if a pokemon game comes out closely or not.

Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Zelda: Majora's Mask
Majora's

Super Mario World vs. Metal Gear Solid
World

Goldeneye vs. Kingdom Hearts
Eye

Call of Duty 4 vs. Portal
CoD4

God of War III vs. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
hmm........
Gotta think on this.

Street Fighter II vs. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
yoshi's Island
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charmander6000 | Posted 6/4/2010 12:43:07 PM | message detail
Perhaps out of its league was strong, but after SM64 beat CT despite Yoshi's Island and was only three hundred votes behind LoZ:LttP, SM64 has a fine argument for the strongest Mario-game and #4 game overall last year. Not that MGS had a bad year or anything, but it's not a guaranteed top-ten game whereas SM64 is. I know the top fifteen or so are all close together and it'd be close, but not many people are taking MGS in that match-up. SM3/SMBW are better opponents for MGS now, that's all.

I must have mis-read your post I thought you were saying that MGS was way above SM64.

I'm also happy that you consider SM64 to be the strongest Mario game.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2010 5:45:00 PM | message detail
Just lost my post (****ing GameFox -- I hate it sometimes). I wonder how strong SM64 really was in 2004 though, and when it became as strong as it is now.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/4/2010 5:53:00 PM | message detail
Also, just skimming through recent polls, I didn't realize just over a third of the site had Steam. Between it becoming available for Mac and Portal being free for almost two weeks since then, I wonder how much the number raised. Think GlaDOS will be much stronger because of it? With that deal and Portal 2 on the horizon, she's got room to boost respectably...

...as in, you know, no longer being doubled by Kirby or something.
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H__RR____H | Posted 6/4/2010 8:14:35 PM | message detail
...I just got warned for quoting voltch in something where he used the "r-word."

**** censorship.
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HasteTwo | Posted 6/4/2010 8:16:36 PM | message detail
I can't believe it. THIS is why I like Secret of Mana so much.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3457&region=DE

My genes are 1/4 German! I got this from someone's post in Ulti's Sp2K9 Game Contest Analysis.

Whoa, overwhelming response. I'll throw in my two cents for these. Oh, geez...this'll take some time. I can't spend hours analyzing these matches, so I'll admit some of these arguments will be rather flawed.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl vs. Pokemon RBY - it's somewhat hard to judge RBY, as all of its matches involved some degree of common fanbase. Given how close GSC was to MGS, I'm tempted to say RBY underperformed a bit even with its better showing against OoT (wasn't it like 23% to 39%? If RBY was even stronger than THOSE number indicated...would be very impressive). SSBB beat Zelda: TP something like 27% to 23.5%, and considering Zelda:TP struggled against RE4 and KH2...well, true, I'm sure RE4 and KH2 are quite strong, but...okay, fine, that's actually pretty good. In the end I think I'll take RBY just with my gut.

Also, RBY's popularity growth may not be done yet. It would be interesting to see another game contest five years down the road... maybe RBY could actually contend for the championship? I really doubt it, but it's fun to think about.

Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Zelda: Majora's Mask
Two fantastic games overshadowed by titles released within a couple years in their respective series. I think I'll take Majora's Mask. It just feels right. Zelda:MM nearly tripled Perfect Dark, for what it's worth. And, I just checked the x-stats on NGamer's site...interesting how they are right next to each other.

Hmmm...wait, I just realized Zelda: MM did better than FFT against MGS, despite Zelda: MM being part of a Nintendo trio against MGS. That gets settled, then.

Super Mario World vs. Metal Gear Solid
I originally thought Mario 64 vs. MGS, but then I thought that Mario 64 was a tad too strong. This is very interesting. If you think of SMB3 vs. MGS, right off the bat you would probably think "it MUST be SMB3".

Before discussing this match, let's bring up SMW and SMB3... the question is, did SMW gain, or did SMB3 fall? I am definitely leaning toward an SMB3 fall. At SMW's age it is hard to imagine it gaining any kind of support. It could have gained a little on virtue of the Nintendo Boost that occured after SC2K4. Perhaps it's somewhat debatable... I would like to make a little comparison, though from Sp2K9:

SMW and SMB3 beat out Zelda 1 (who's arguably not far behind strength-wise) by a narrow margin, despite those two Mario games, -and- SMB1 being together. This seems to suggest that the Mario games did not leech each other a whole lot compared to Zelda. Now, take note of SMW and SMB3 in FF7/Zelda:LttP/SMW/SMB3...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3506

With LttP being worth about 60% on the other two games there, it's hard to imaging either of those Mario games competing on their own, noting my leeching argument above. Then, take note that MGS is ahead of Zelda:LttP in the x-stats... granted, Zelda:LttP did get hit with some leeching from Mario 64, but I feel that it's quite small, looking at a certain other match.

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HasteTwo | Posted 6/4/2010 8:17:23 PM | message detail
Goldeneye vs. Kingdom Hearts
Goldeneye had a pretty good showing against FF7 until Mario 64 was added to the mix. However, Kingdom Hearts is surprisingly close to Final Fantasy X, something I just cannot understand to this day. And, Goldeneye struggled with SMRPG... as much as I like to think SMRPG is a powerhouse, I just don't fully buy it. I'm siding with Kingdom Hearts...

Call of Duty 4 vs. Portal
I semi-randomly paired these up. To my surprise, these were ALSO neck-and-neck when it comes to that extrapolated measurement. However, upon checking their actual matches I think the correct answer is obvious. Call of Duty 4.

God of War III vs. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Apparently this wouldn't be a good match. I just picked some non-Nintendo/Final Fantasy games that were recent. I'll say MW2 also.

Street Fighter II vs. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
Mmmmmm....contrary to other opinions, I will take "SFII LOST?!" I don't trust Yoshi's Island score against CT indicating any kind of decent strength. Yoshi's Island was up against 3 RPGs, and was still doubled and then some by CT. The SMB3/SFII proportion was quite similar, and I'll admit CT probably takes out SMB3. But my feeling still sides with SFII.

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xp1337 | Posted 6/4/2010 8:28:07 PM | message detail
Super Smash Bros. Brawl vs. Pokemon RBY

...Tough call. If you ask me who I think wins, it's RBY. But in a contest setting I probably have a strong chance of picking Brawl because I think it's a plausible enough upset to take. ...Though Brawl might actually be the casual favorite in this match. Things change if there's a release for Pokemon in the vicinity. Same for SSB. But for now I'm assuming nothing happens in that regard.

Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Zelda: Majora's Mask

In a Zelda v FF, I'm typically siding with Zelda by default.

Super Mario World vs. Metal Gear Solid

No contest for SMW.

Goldeneye vs. Kingdom Hearts

This, along with Brawl/RBY might be the hardest for me. Normally I'd think KH takes this and I wouldn't really look back, but KH in the last character contest... Of course, I also think KH has the intangibles because it's far more likely that BBS and/or KH3 and/or whatever else might come out for it can help it out.

Call of Duty 4 vs. Portal

Gut reaction pick. After thinking about it some more I might switch to Portal though.

God of War III vs. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

I have a hard time thinking MW2 even makes this competitive for some reason. That might be wrong, but I definitely think GoW takes it.

Street Fighter II vs. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island

Another no contest thing in my eyes. Nintendo v Non-Nintendo/Square and I'll take advantage Nintendo almost anytime.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/4/2010 9:13:54 PM | message detail
Hmm, eye color poll today. So weird that there is exactly a 1000 poll difference between today's poll and the last eye color poll.

Now this is a poll that I might want to track poll updates on, seeing as "Brown" just took a 1.70% drop on the second update.
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KingVoltch | Posted 6/5/2010 4:57:51 AM | message detail
lolololol warned main.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/5/2010 5:47:20 AM | message detail

From: HasteTwo | #318
I can't spend hours analyzing these matches, so I'll admit some of these arguments will be rather flawed.


God damn, man.

You definitely need to post here next contest.
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KingVoltch | Posted 6/5/2010 6:41:39 AM | message detail
oh hot damn HaRRich got warned too, dayum.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/5/2010 12:43:23 PM | message detail

From: KingVoltch | #324
oh hot damn HaRRich got warned too, dayum.


I only just now realized I'm in his quote.

I forget some of the awesome things I say sometimes.
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H__RR____H | Posted 6/5/2010 3:50:36 PM | message detail
It wouldn't suck so much if I had actually said it instead of quoted it.

Voltch, I'm blaming you!
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KingVoltch | Posted 6/5/2010 4:43:43 PM | message detail
whoops, I thought it was 3kl at worst.
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H__RR____H | Posted 6/5/2010 6:10:20 PM | message detail
I'll never forgive you.
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KingVoltch | Posted 6/5/2010 6:13:01 PM | message detail
so wait, r-word is warned, but m-word(just in case here) is fine?
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H__RR____H | Posted 6/5/2010 6:15:05 PM | message detail
Is it? I'm not testing it!
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 6/5/2010 8:12:53 PM | message detail
so wait, r-word is warned, but m-word(just in case here) is fine?

I'm not even sure which m-word you're refering to. <_< Inappropriate use of the r-word is a Warn, though.
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H__RR____H | Posted 6/5/2010 8:48:57 PM | message detail
I assume even when quoting, then?

I think the m-word in question is "molest."
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UItimaterializer | Posted 6/5/2010 9:17:29 PM | message detail
m-word?

What?
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 6/5/2010 11:45:47 PM | message detail
I assume even when quoting, then?

Generally it's a NKL for quoting a post that contains a violation. I think Warning you for doing that was too harsh but I can't really do anything about it.

I think the m-word in question is "molest."

I'd probably 3KL for that.


I sent an e-mail to creativename regarding gamefaqscontests.com. He's not quite sure what caused the error but unfortunately it corrupted the poll update data from the previous contest and the backup for it as well. From what he can tell, they can't be recovered. Fortunately, he has another backup from last September so older poll update data is safe and back up on the site.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/6/2010 1:03:44 AM | message detail
He's not quite sure what caused the error but unfortunately it corrupted the poll update data from the previous contest and the backup for it as well.

The data is still there. Like this:

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=3856&num=2

The site is messed up right now in which none of the match-ups for the last contest are listed on the site, but you could get to each match by manually changing the URL above.
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UItimaterializer | Posted 6/6/2010 1:13:19 AM | message detail
The thing I use that site for the most (when a match isn't going on) is looking up old match pics. I do hope cn can figure out how to get the old data back, though. Sucks if he lost it all :(
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/6/2010 6:03:04 AM | message detail
Wait, which r-word are we talking about here? Retard or rape?
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UItimaterializer | Posted 6/6/2010 6:28:34 AM | message detail
Both get you warned, typically.
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UItimaterializer | Posted 6/6/2010 6:46:21 AM | message detail
Predict this eightpack:



The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Final Fantasy X

Super Mario Bros. 3
Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow

Super Smash Bros. Melee
Super Mario World

Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Super Mario 64



In my opinion, you get 7 brutal-as-hell matches there. You could swap out any game for Chrono Trigger and get the same effect, too. Swap Mario 64 and Melee, and you get two outstanding same-series matches. This is why we need to kick FF7 and Ocarina out if we ever have another 1v1 games contest. Any one of these 8 games could win that eight pack, and we could probably make it an any-game-could-win 16 pack if we racked our brains hard enough.




My own personal gut instinct picks, guaranteed to be wrong or your money back:

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Final Fantasy X

Super Mario Bros. 3
Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow

Super Smash Bros. Melee
Super Mario World

Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Super Mario 64

LTTP vs FFX is Ocarina vs FF7 Lite, and we know how that turned out last time. RBY > Mario 3 is a tempting upset, but Mario 3 was screwed huge by SFF in that 4way contest and I put no stock whatsoever into its so-called "fall". I could be convinced to change my opinion on that one depending on when Black/White came out, but Mario is the king of smacking down games/characters with old-school appeal. If Zelda LTTP took on Mario 3, the SFF edge would assuredly go Zelda's way.

For the bottom half, I have no stats whatsoever to back up the Melee > World pick. It's a total gut instinct, although I think Melee is in the perfect time frame for how this site currently is. Just old enough to be nostalgic, but just young enough to not be considered "old". The two games being from different eras make me think there's no SFF there at all. For the other match, I actually think Brawl is stronger than Melee but I don't think it could beat the presumed strongest Mario game. I wouldn't pick Brawl over Chrono Trigger, but I'd take Mario 64 over Chrono Trigger in a 1v1 rematch. For Melee versus 64, I think 64 wins out on raw strength alone in a match that proves once and for all how tough it really is.

LTTP versus Mario 64 would be cute on paper, but not close come match time. If you look closely at that LTTP/FF6/FF7/Mario 64 match, it was only close between LTTP and Mario 64 due to FF6's SNES presence dragging Zelda down. 1 on 1 with no obstacles, Zelda should easily win that match.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/6/2010 7:31:46 AM | message detail
LttP > FFX (Last year's finals, Zelda > FF shift, etc)
RBY > SMB3 (SMB3's fallen, RBY's still strong)
Melee > World (Honestly have no idea which would win. Melee is my gut pick, but I can easily see World winning as well)
Brawl > Mario 64 (I honestly believe Brawl is the #3 game on this site, so yeah, I'll pick it over the strong Mario 64)

LttP > RBY (Very, very tough one, but LttP has really held up very well, though RBY could easily swing things in its favor)
Brawl > Melee (Brawl will SFF the everliving **** out of Melee)

Brawl > LttP (Again, I believe Brawl is the #3 game on this site, so yeah)

From: UItimaterializer | #339
RBY > Mario 3 is a tempting upset, but Mario 3 was screwed huge by SFF in that 4way contest and I put no stock whatsoever into its so-called "fall". I could be convinced to change my opinion on that one depending on when Black/White came out, but Mario is the king of smacking down games/characters with old-school appeal.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3851

Yes, HG/SS bandwagon hype, but imagine what will happen with Black/White hype rather than with mere remakes.

Obviously, if the next contest happened around BW's launch, I'd back RBY over even Brawl.
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H__RR____H | Posted 6/6/2010 9:43:21 AM | message detail
Wylvane, the word in question was "rape." Don't use it in a way outside of its original definition!


From: UItimaterializer | #159
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Final Fantasy X

Super Mario Bros. 3
Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow

Super Smash Bros. Melee
Super Mario World

Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Super Mario 64




LoZ:LttP - it was considerably stronger in 2004, safely beat it in 2005's Top 100 List, and it beat FFX last year's championship with LoZ:OoT and FF7 in the poll. None of those are reliable at this point by themselves, but we don't have a real reason to suspect FFX beats LoZ:LttP either.

RBY - thinking SMB3 didn't drop feels crazy to me. We saw what happened to most of other NES-game in BGE2, right? Many SNES and Genesis games didn't survive the test of time like they should have either, and even the occasional N64-game (Perfect Dark) and PS1-game (FFT) showed clear drops, likely from age. The Nintendo-games are the only exceptions for not dropping off the map, and it's still hard to imagine even they didn't take some kind of hit. Meanwhile, RBY-with-GS beat LoZ:MM within 2% of how SMB3 beat the original LoZ in 2004. It beat MGS despite LoZ:OoT. It competed with FFX despite LoZ:OoT and SSBM (while easily beating SSBM). This match would be all SMB3 in 2004, but it's for for me to see SMB3 having a legitimately close match with RBY now.

SSBM - just gut. I don't think SSBM is as strong as it used to be though, mainly because of SSBB and leaving the Gamecube behind. SMB3 was, in my book, legitimately stronger last year than SMW...but I'll never take that pick again from this point onward -- SMW's my #2 Mario-game now. Best match of the first round.

SM64 - SSBB > SSBM and SM64 > SMW, plus there's more of a generation-gap which is nice in a way. That said, SM64's one of the three games I feel like deserve to be the major favorites to win a champion-free bracket...and SSBB isn't one of them. Then again, of the major contenders here, SSBB may have an argument based on how bad it crushed MGS4 in R3 last year; it still competed with MGS4 despite LoZ:TP in the next round, and MGS4 proved to be pretty close to FFX in the following round...but LoZ:OoT was there so SSBB couldn't do much in that scenario. Still, SM64 beat CT despite Yoshi's Island, then beat it again with Goldeneye and FF7 before bowing out to LoZ:LttP in a very close match. SM64's also from the 32-64 bit era, so I'm going safe here...
H__RR____H | Posted 6/6/2010 9:43:30 AM | message detail
RBY - ...whereas I'll go risky here with the other two games I think have the most legitimate chances to win. It's from the 32-64 bit era and the Pokemon-revolution from then is a major part of our demographic now, plus RBY has a good track-record against the LoZ-series; it has easily done better against LoZ:OoT twice than any other Nintendo-game (including LoZ:LttP) once, plus it crushed LoZ:MM and beat it again despite GS. The main thing about RBY though was that there was a continuous state of "what the **** is it going to take to stop RBY?" in every match except R2 last year, and even today it's still a well-deserved question to ask. LoZ:LttP looked "vulnerable" -- it wasn't really, but SM64 took it to the edge and FFX tried to put up a good battle, plus if SMW/SMB3 weren't both there we may have had another good battle (though Haste had a good point about them not LFF'ing much). This match would be probably legendary here, but RBY feels like it's hard to beat.

SM64 - if it can beat SSBB, it can beat SSBM.


RBY - quick tangent: I think SM64 would beat LoZ:LttP one-on-one, and FF3/6 is a poor point in LoZ:LttP's favor there...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3495
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3502

...if SMB1 and LoZ affect SMB3 under 3%, I have a hard time buying FF3/6-with-FF7 affects LoZ:LttP much at all against SM64...and I like SM64's chances to recover 245 votes with the 54% of the match that went to a FF-game. Between that and age not helping LoZ:LttP any at this point (not that SM64's young, but it's a generation newer), and I think that match gets over-turned.

Anyway, if RBY beats LoZ:LttP, it's hard not to take it here too. This would be a great battle for the #3 game of GameFAQs and of the era though.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=54225515
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 6/6/2010 10:18:25 AM | message detail
The data is still there. Like this:

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=3856&num=2

The site is messed up right now in which none of the match-ups for the last contest are listed on the site, but you could get to each match by manually changing the URL above.


That's awesome. I've forwared the information to creativename to see if he can find out why it looks like the data is gone when it is still there.

The thing I use that site for the most (when a match isn't going on) is looking up old match pics. I do hope cn can figure out how to get the old data back, though. Sucks if he lost it all :(

The match pics are actually just fine. It's only the poll updates from the previous contest that seemed to be lost and based on what Luster Soldier we may still have them.
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xp1337 | Posted 6/6/2010 7:36:40 PM | message detail
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Final Fantasy X

Super Mario Bros. 3
Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow

Super Smash Bros. Melee
Super Mario World

Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Super Mario 64


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LttP > FFX (As far as I'm concerned, LttP has always been stronger than FFX, and last contest did nothing to challenge that. Doesn't help FFX that this is Zelda v FF again.)

SMB3 > RBY (I will almost guarantee I get burned on this. I can not justify this at all and have a really bad feeling about this. I think this is me giving into nostalgia or something.)

SMW > Melee (Toughest match, in my opinion. I could easily see Melee winning this, but I'm going with World)

SM64 > Brawl (I feel very confident about this for some bizarre reason, even though I'm fairly sure I have no right to be.)

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LttP > SMB3 (No contest, SMB3 has no chance against the SFF, I don't see it evading it like it did against LoZ the first time. I also think LttP beats RBY so even if you change that pick, I'm very confident LttP takes out RBY if necessary.)

SM64 > SMW (Pretty sure SM64's got this. For some bizarre reason I thought SM64 was involved in the SMB/SMB3/SMW insanity because I forgot it was on the wrong side of the bracket for that. Still, I think it wins that, but I could envision a scenario in which I'm wrong.)

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LttP > SM64 (Oh, but I'd be so tempted to take SM64 for the upset. In fact, I very well just might. This would be a great match. I think LttP wins, but this is basically a coin-flip to me.)
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 6/7/2010 1:05:03 AM | message detail
I'm going this without looking up any stats from the last games contest btw (and I forget most of it).


The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Final Fantasy X

Super Mario Bros. 3
Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow

Super Smash Bros. Melee
Super Mario World

Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Super Mario 64


Link to the Past > FFX: My gut says FFX but when we boil down to it it's the 2nd most popular Zelda game and the 2nd most popular Final Fantasy game, and we already know the way 1st popular of each went. I think that could carry over pretty well, but FF will lose a lot more support from VII to X than Zelda will from OoT to LttP. Hell, I might consider FF6 > FFX.


SMB 3 > Pokemon RBY: When is this? I think I'd pick RBY right now, but give it a year and I'm picking SMB3. RBY just had the recent hype buzzing and as long as there's not the most popular version remake coming out, I like SMB3.

SSBM > SMW: Dunno what to say here.

Super Mario 64 > Brawl: No contest, imo.

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Link to the Past > SMB3: This happened already didn't it? If it didn't can't see Mario winning here.

Mario 64 > Melee: Melee I guess would be on the downhill a bit.

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Link to the Past > Mario 64: blah blah blah link etc. But Mario 64 winning wouldn't surprise me.








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Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/7/2010 5:45:27 AM | message detail
No trends on today's poll?
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/7/2010 10:17:09 AM | message detail
I could do trends for today's poll if I wanted to, but I'm probably expecting "5-10" and "11-15" to get the ASV here as the younger voters obviously couldn't play for more than 20 years.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/7/2010 10:27:33 AM | message detail
Here's how I see the top fifteen:

1) Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2) Final Fantasy VII
3) Pokemon RB
4) SSB Brawl
5) SSB Melee
6) Zelda: Twilight Princess
7) Zelda: A Link to the Past
8) Super Mario 64
9) Super Mario World
10) Final Fantasy X
11) Chrono Trigger
12) Metal Gear Solid
13) Super Mario 3
14) Kingdom Hearts
15) Metal Gear Solid 4

*Warning, I'm getting annoying after this*

Though KH > MGS4 is based entirely off the fact that KH was ahead of MGS4 on Game Informer's Top 200 Games list...and if KH can beat this game on one site, and KH vs. that same game is a wildcard on GameFAQs, then I'm picking KH to win. That list did in fact have KH ahead of Metroid Prime (but both games slightly above SSB Melee, all three were a good deal above MGS4. In fact that list had Gears of War above MGS4, like that would happen on GameFAQs. Also that list had SotC > MP > SSBM > LoZ: TP > Portal > RE > Gears of War > MGS4 > FFXII > EarthBound, much to Ulti's displeasure).

*Annoying parts stop*
UItimaterializer | Posted 6/7/2010 1:54:54 PM | message detail
Before I forget to ask, how many games in that eightpack would you guys take over Chrono Trigger?
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H__RR____H | Posted 6/7/2010 2:05:51 PM | message detail
...probably all of them. SMB3/SMW/SSBM are the only ones I'd question on that, anyway.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=54225515