GameFAQs Contests

Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 898

LeonhartFour | Posted 3/30/2010 11:37:19 AM | message detail
~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Solid Snake, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Vincent, Kirby, Missingno, Tifa, et al group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters recently.

The Fodder Line - A final X-Stat value of 20% or below.

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/30/2010 11:38:04 AM | message detail
Blastoise could probably beat Mewtwo as well.

I don't think so, Blastoise doesn't have much going for him besides starter factor.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 3/30/2010 11:38:23 AM | message detail
durp durp lloyd > blastoise
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Mitochondriagon | Posted 3/30/2010 11:38:45 AM | message detail
back on the pokemon subject


yeah i would put money that Mewtwo > Blastoise
but i would have to nominate that piece of crap just to see if that match had a chance in hell of happening :(


i think Bidoof and Mudkip would easily take Blastoise
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Lopen | Posted 3/30/2010 11:39:18 AM | message detail
Lloyd > Blastoise I'm on board with this
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Mitochondriagon | Posted 3/30/2010 11:39:22 AM | message detail
ok i would probably put Blastoise > Lloyd in a bracket
but i bet it would be a close as hell match
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ffmasterjose | Posted 3/30/2010 11:39:35 AM | message detail
Blastoise would Starter Pokemon SFF Mudkip to the ground, just sayin'.
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voltch | Posted 3/30/2010 11:39:42 AM | message detail
why are you still here Palmer?
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Mitochondriagon | Posted 3/30/2010 11:41:21 AM | message detail
honestly no other topic is peaking my interest atm
and you guys mentioned the second worst starter sans Meganium so i felt i needed to put my two cents in
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/30/2010 11:42:05 AM | message detail
I don't know if you're just hating on Blastoise or legitimately believe the crap you're saying but there's no way Blastoise would be below Mudkip/Bidoof/Lucario lol.

Charizard is legitimately the strongest Pokemon, with Pikachu right behind him. Then would be Squirtle or Mewtwo, with Blastoise right behind them.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/30/2010 11:42:35 AM | message detail
Blastoise isn't a starter!
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voltch | Posted 3/30/2010 11:43:19 AM | message detail
My guess is pokemon who appear on the covers of the flagship titles have a good advantage over the rest of the field.
But Typhlosion gogogo
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Mitochondriagon | Posted 3/30/2010 11:43:38 AM | message detail
pretty sure Squirtle > Blastoise easily

and i would take Lucario > Blastoise w/o hestitation
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/30/2010 11:43:50 AM | message detail
Where is all of this Blastoise love coming from? Pokemon fans don't really flock to him.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/30/2010 11:45:35 AM | message detail
No. The original 151 + maybe a couple of other Pokemon are stronger then the rest. Of the original 151, the "unique" Pokemon (Starters + Evolutions, Pikachu, Mewtwo/legendarys, Badass Pokemon like Gyarados and Dragonite) are stronger then the rest. Of that group, Pikachu, Charmander/Charizard, Mewtwo, and Squirtle/Blastoise would be the strongest. Every other Pokemon do not deserve to be in the contest.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 3/30/2010 11:45:37 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #014
Where is all of this Blastoise love coming from? Pokemon fans don't really flock to him.


uhhhh

he's my dad
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voltch | Posted 3/30/2010 11:47:07 AM | message detail
no way is Typhlosion and Suicune weaker than Hypno or Starmie.
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Mitochondriagon | Posted 3/30/2010 11:47:35 AM | message detail
oh yeah i forgot about that

yeah that would probably help out tremendously

i mean just look at what the internet did for mudkip/bidoof
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Lopen | Posted 3/30/2010 11:47:49 AM | message detail
I don't really think Palmer's all that far off. I'd put good money on Blastoise being closer to Lloyd Irving than Charizard.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/30/2010 11:48:45 AM | message detail
Blastoise may be slightly ahead of the rest (debatable), but I don't see a reason to include him. Personally I would rather see Brock/Misty than any other Pokemon besides Squirtle.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 3/30/2010 11:48:49 AM | message detail
and i would take Lucario > Blastoise w/o hestitation

Why. Lucario proved how much he sucks. He even had Brawl going for him and he still flopped. What's to indicate Blastoise, who is at the very least probably a few steps below Charizard, couldn't rip him apart?

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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/30/2010 11:49:07 AM | message detail
no way is Typhlosion and Suicune weaker than Hypno or Starmie.

...maybe a couple of other Pokemon...

Point I'm making is that the "unique" group of the original 151 is the only group we should even be talking about for this contest. Typhlosion, Suicune, Arceus, Lucario, Garchomp, and any other "strong" Pokemon from the later gens won't amount to anything close to the original "strong" Pokemon from the first gen.
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voltch | Posted 3/30/2010 11:49:12 AM | message detail
What, he's part of a great pokemon anime moment when people still watched it.
Cover Pokemon
he's part of the original 151
He's a starter.
He ought to be decent, not Dark Samus good, but better than fraggin llyod.
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Mitochondriagon | Posted 3/30/2010 11:49:23 AM | message detail
honestly im ready for Zapdos or Jolteon

they would do damage methinks

but yeah the original 151 have the most untapped power

we really just need a pokemon contest

omg dragonair too
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Mitochondriagon | Posted 3/30/2010 11:50:22 AM | message detail
Red > Blastoise imo
lets get that going
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voltch | Posted 3/30/2010 11:50:41 AM | message detail
with the Dragon Boner Gamefaqs has right now, Drgonite is probably stronger than guybrush.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/30/2010 11:50:54 AM | message detail
I don't really think Palmer's all that far off. I'd put good money on Blastoise being closer to Lloyd Irving than Charizard.

I would bet my entire knowledge on anything contest related that you're completely wrong. Blastoise is the anti-Charizard. Kids always went for Charizard first, and their smarter siblings/friends went for Blastoise just so they could beat them. He's very strong, and much stronger then whatever fodder tales character you're talking about.
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Lopen | Posted 3/30/2010 11:51:16 AM | message detail
Don't get me wrong I'd take Blastoise to win, but with decisively less than 60%. Not really going to shake anything up so there's no real reason we need him around unless you all just like Blastoise that much.
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Mitochondriagon | Posted 3/30/2010 11:51:28 AM | message detail
ugh Dragonite

i still don't see the appeal of that thing

dragonair is sooooo better
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Lopen | Posted 3/30/2010 11:52:06 AM | message detail
and their smarter siblings/friends went for Blastoise just so they could beat them. He's very strong, and much stronger then whatever fodder tales character you're talking about.

I think you're confusing these people with Gary
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voltch | Posted 3/30/2010 11:52:12 AM | message detail
Dragonite has the flinstones vote though, damn thing looks like Barney.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/30/2010 11:52:31 AM | message detail
I'm actually for Squirtle getting in before Blastoise based on him being more prominent in the Anime, but I want Blastoise in now just so he can smack some sense into you people.
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Mitochondriagon | Posted 3/30/2010 11:53:22 AM | message detail
i wasn't aware of all the Blastoise love honestly

figured people preferred Squirtle

just like Charizard > Charmander

and i guess Ivysaur = Bulbusaur > Venusaur
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/30/2010 11:53:25 AM | message detail
I think you're confusing these people with Gary

only in single player. The first Pokemon gen was played by just about everyone in that targetted age group, so it was as much a multiplayer experience as it was a single player one.
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voltch | Posted 3/30/2010 11:53:30 AM | message detail
what of Bulbasaur vs Venusaur?
Bulba right?
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Lopen | Posted 3/30/2010 11:54:10 AM | message detail
Actually I was making a joke cause I've never observed the phenomena you're describing.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/30/2010 11:54:10 AM | message detail
and i guess Ivysaur = Bulbusaur > Venusaur

No, Bulbasaur is the strongest in that line. Squirtle is the strongest in his line, and Charizard is the strongest in his line.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/30/2010 11:54:11 AM | message detail
I'm actually for Squirtle getting in before Blastoise based on him being more prominent in the Anime, but I want Blastoise in now just so he can smack some sense into you people.

The people that think Blastoise will be any more than slightly above the fodderline right?
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Mitochondriagon | Posted 3/30/2010 11:54:32 AM | message detail
it definitely wouldn't make the impact Charizard, Pikachu, or Mewtwo has so i wouldn't even see the point
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/30/2010 11:55:09 AM | message detail
charmander, aren't you the same person who thought Red would be stronger then Charizard?
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ffmasterjose | Posted 3/30/2010 11:55:15 AM | message detail
Yeah Bulba stomps Venu.

He's the very first Pokedex entry after all!

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HaRRicH | Posted 3/30/2010 11:55:18 AM | message detail
Does the NRT need an expansion? I'm okay if you do it and find it hard to favor 4:2 or 5:1 more (I'll lean to 5:1, but whatever)...I just don't know if there's a need to get more board influence with it; we're already got the five NRT-spots and Guru taking 40% of our nominations, plus there will be other board rallies and personal favorites. Just saying, that's a lot.

Then again though, it's all volunteer-stuff, so what-ev there. If you expand it though, I'll probably only nominate five of the six winners unless I particularly like the crowd. Also, if you expand it, then there's less reason for SFF-matches before the Round Robin, so I'd rather not see many of those matches beforehand in this scenario.


Cool if you do, cool if you don't.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/30/2010 11:55:25 AM | message detail
Heck I'd take Charmander > Blastoise.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/30/2010 11:55:29 AM | message detail
it definitely wouldn't make the impact Charizard, Pikachu, or Mewtwo has so i wouldn't even see the point

No Pokemon would.
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voltch | Posted 3/30/2010 11:55:48 AM | message detail
wait, who runs NRT proper?
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/30/2010 11:56:22 AM | message detail
charmander, aren't you the same person who thought Red would be stronger then Charizard?

XD no. I was the person that thought Red would be no more than around the fodderline. I had Ocelot > Red for a reason.
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Lopen | Posted 3/30/2010 11:57:11 AM | message detail
Protip: If you admit Mewtwo > Blastoise you're already almost to the point where Lloyd's closer to him than Charizard is.
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Mitochondriagon | Posted 3/30/2010 11:57:22 AM | message detail
i think people just want Blastoise in just because of how well Charizard did

i can't see Blastoise beating any opponent that any pokemon had in the last contest sans Banjo


i think Duke Nukem would take out Blastoise
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voltch | Posted 3/30/2010 11:57:38 AM | message detail
Red Sox and KP were the biggest Red fans, I was the big realistic red fan, but damnit RedFAQs was awesome.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/30/2010 11:57:56 AM | message detail

From: voltch | #045
wait, who runs NRT proper?


Leonhart. Slowflake and myself have run it in the past at one point or another, but Leonhart's the man behind it all.
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