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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 896
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/22/2010 9:57:13 PM | message detail |
Primary adjustments: 1. Mario was adjusted based off of his proportion to Samus in the 2008 stats 2. Ike and Falco were adjusted based off of their proportions to Mario in the 2008 stats 3. I gave Bowser and Luigi their 2008 numbers and stuck Yoshi right in between them 4. Adjusted Meta Knight off of his proportion to Ryu in 2008 5. Adjusted Sonic's entire division by setting Ken = Akuma, and I'm actually pretty happy with how it turned out 6. Adjusted Hayabusa based off of his 2008 number on Mega Man, which probably overrated him, but not by a lot. 7. Adjusted Mega Man based off of his 2008 number on Mario 8. Didn't like where Kratos was, so I bumped him down just a little below Sora arbitrarily, admittedly 9. Adjusted Leon Kennedy off of his proportion to Dante in 2008 10. Just gave Pikachu 40% on Snake and forgot about it 11. Gave Vincent his 2005 percentage on Squall --- "I can set you free, Dr_Football." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/22/2010 9:58:27 PM | message detail |
Oh, right. For some reason, I didn't even adjust Knuckles! Hold on a sec... --- "The great GF...Dr_Football." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/22/2010 9:59:38 PM | message detail |
About
the adjustments, well, there's no way I would pick Hayabusa over Leon
(maybe he could break 45%, but I don't see an outright victory
happening). Crash > Roxas, no. |
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/22/2010 10:02:31 PM | message detail |
If
you assume that Charizard boosted mid-contest, that solves your problem
with Kratos. The only question is whether that boost will stay or it
was HGSS hype that will fade. If we assume it will fade then Charizard
should be bumped down relative to Kratos. Or we can assume GoWIII also
boosted Kratos and he is that strong now. I dunno if that adjustment
alone was warranted. |
Lopen | Posted 3/22/2010 10:04:26 PM | message detail |
Dropping Kratos is kinda dumb. Kratos vs Sora/Bowser was actually a legit upset chance for Kratos and I'm sticking to it. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/22/2010 10:05:56 PM | message detail |
Well,
I originally didn't like it because of it resulting in Tails >
Knuckles, but once I adjusted Knuckles, that's not a problem. I still
don't like Kratos >= Bowser though. I could adjust Charizard down
somewhat as a result to make up for it. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Dr_Football' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/22/2010 10:07:23 PM | message detail |
From: Lopen | #105 I'm with Lopen on this. Saying KRatos = Sora sounds about right to me. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/24y7282.jpg Albion Hero is the Cream of Dr_Football fanboyism |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/22/2010 10:07:34 PM | message detail |
Or rather, adjust the percentage Charizard got on Bowser, I suppose, but I don't really know what to do with that. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...Dr_Football." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/22/2010 10:08:00 PM | message detail |
From: Cyclo_Reaper | #107 Then you're with me. Kratos is just barely below Sora instead of barely above Bowser. --- "Stay with me until the end, Dr_Football. Please." "Not until the end. Always." |
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/22/2010 10:08:40 PM | message detail |
Oh. I didn't notice you dropped Kratos. That's why Tails seemed so much lower than he should have been. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/22/2010 10:09:19 PM | message detail |
I
don't really like where Kratos is going to end up either way though. I
don't think he's above Ryu and Dante, personally, but I'll just throw
him back where he was. --- "The great GF...Dr_Football." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/22/2010 10:11:47 PM | message detail |
I
do like we have alot less characters under the 20% fodder line this
time around. I think the vote ins really helped with that and I hope
they stick around. No point getting a bunch of fodder in when we can
get characters who actually can have some strength. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/24y7282.jpg Albion Hero is the Cream of Dr_Football fanboyism |
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/22/2010 10:13:41 PM | message detail |
Guybrush is inching his way closer to the fodder line. Someday he may actually win a match. Then it will be time to vote LeChuck in. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/22/2010 10:14:24 PM | message detail |
Okay, adjusted stats, part 2! 1. Link – 50.00% 2. Cloud Strife – 46.46% 3. Mario – 45.12% 4. Solid Snake – 44.52% 5. Samus Aran – 43.85% 6. Sephiroth – 41.88% 7. Mega Man – 40.05% 8. Missingno – 39.47% 9. Crono – 39.24% 10. Charizard – 38.69% 11. Sonic the Hedgehog – 37.54% 12. Vincent Valentine – 36.78% 13. Tifa Lockhart – 36.72% 14. Squall Leonhart – 36.35% 15. Pikachu – 35.61% 16. Kratos – 35.22% 17. Auron – 35.04% 18. Bowser – 35.03% 19. Yoshi – 35.02% 20. Luigi – 35.01% 21. Kirby – 34.08% 22. Big Boss – 33.24% 23. Mega Man X – 32.72% 24. Ganondorf – 32.15% 25. Sora – 31.74% 26. Zelda – 31.70% 27. Ryu – 31.61% 28. Dante – 31.39% 29. Ryu Hayabusa – 30.77% 30. Zack Fair – 30.71% 31. L-Block – 30.46% 32. Zero – 30.35% 33. Leon Kennedy – 29.88% 34. Aerith Gainsborough – 29.68% 35. Cid Highwind – 29.60% 36. Fox McCloud – 29.36% 37. Master Chief – 29.19% 38. Big Daddy – 29.05% 39. Rikku – 28.95% 40. Vivi Orunitia – 28.88% 41. Sub-Zero – 28.67% 42. Jill Valentine – 28.48% 43. Amaterasu – 28.30% 44. Alucard – 28.21% 45. Knuckles the Echidna – 28.16% 46. Captain Falcon – 27.94% 47. Gordon Freeman – 27.93% 48. Commander Shepard – 27.77% 49. Duke Nukem – 27.66% 50. Miles “Tails” Prower – 27.49% 51. Lightning – 27.13% 52. Cecil Harvey – 27.03% 53. Kefka – 26.85% 54. Shadow the Hedgehog – 26.83% 55. Ike – 26.67% 56. Mewtwo – 26.59% 57. Riku – 26.56% 58. Ness – 26.51% 59. Tidus – 26.46% 60. Meta Knight – 26.36% 61. Ridley – 26.28% 62. Princess Peach – 26.12% 63. Chris Redfield – 26.03% 64. Zidane Tribal – 25.84% 65. Terra Branford – 25.80% 66. Frog – 25.77% 67. Jecht – 25.54% 68. Altair – 25.53% 69. Yuna – 25.42% 70. Pokemon Trainer Red – 25.41% 71. Revolver Ocelot – 25.34% 72. Donkey Kong – 25.25% 73. Weighted Companion Cube – 24.62% 74. Protoman – 24.61% 75. Phoenix Wright – 24.16% 76. Isaac – 24.07% 77. Ezio Auditore da Firenze – 24.02% 78. Darth Revan – 23.80% 79. Marth – 23.62% 80. Crash Bandicoot – 23.51% 81. Roxas – 23.47% 82. Vault Boy – 23.42% 83. Magus – 23.40% 84. Akuma – 23.26% 85. Ken Masters – 23.26% 86. Spy – 23.23% 87. Albert Wesker – 23.11% 88. Midna – 23.09% 89. The Boss – 22.75% 90. Captain John Price – 22.43% 91. Ratchet – 22.39% 92. Soap MacTavish – 22.22% 93. Falco Lombardi – 22.11% 94. HK-47 – 22.00% 95. Nathan Drake – 21.67% 96. GlaDOS – 21.54% 97. Arthas Menethil – 21.17% 98. Sackboy – 21.03% 99. Liquid Snake – 20.98% 100. Laharl – 20.47% 101. Heavy – 20.21% 102. Thrall – 20.19% 103. Ramza Beoulve – 20.02% 104. Prinny – 20.01% 105. Marcus Fenix – 19.93% 106. Balthier Bunansa – 19.62% 107. Simon Belmont – 19.36% 108. Axel – 19.23% 109. Lloyd Irving – 19.22% 110. Kratos Aurion – 19.20% 111. The Prince of Persia – 18.69% 112. Niko Bellic – 18.68% 113. Geno – 18.66% 114. Travis Touchdown – 18.60% 115. Claptrap – 18.42% 116. Neku Sakuraba – 17.48% 117. Banjo – 17.74% 118. Captain MacMillan – 16.65% 119. Guybrush Threepwood – 16.60% 120. Jak – 16.38% 121. Wander – 16.13% 122. Miles Edgeworth – 15.81% 123. Yuri Lowell – 15.64% 124. Professor Layton – 15.03% 125. Fawful – 14.31% 126. Eddie Riggs – 14.16% 127. Ellis – 13.45% 128. Sandal – 10.78% --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this Dr_Football we on!" |
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/22/2010 10:17:57 PM | message detail |
I
actually have a problem with the Mario adjustment. I think almost
everyone agrees that Samus (and probably Snake) are both indirectly
stronger than Mario. Since Samus and Mario were on opposite sides of
the bracket this year, the stats should be able to reflect that. Mario
> Samus in the adjusted stats bothers me. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/22/2010 10:19:00 PM | message detail |
I
don't agree with Samus > Mario myself, and there's not much room to
squeeze Mario in between Snake and Samus anyway. Besides, those three
for all intents and purposes are essentially near equals. You can put
them in any order, and I'd be fine with it. --- "Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Dr_Football |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/22/2010 10:20:07 PM | message detail |
I won't give Samus or Snake the edge over Mario till they actually beat him. Screw this "indirect" stuff. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/24y7282.jpg Albion Hero is the Cream of Dr_Football fanboyism |
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/22/2010 10:23:53 PM | message detail |
The
entire point of X-stats is how all the characters match up indirectly.
If you want to know direct have a 128-character round-robin. Until
then, indirect is the best we have. |
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/22/2010 10:28:28 PM | message detail |
I
just realized that if we get enough Link backlash and a Link/Cloud
semifinal we may be able to have Mario get his first ever contest win
with the entire bracket involved. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/22/2010 10:34:08 PM | message detail |
Nah, if Cloud could ever beat Link, Mario's not turning right around and beating Cloud. --- Dr_Football is the best Guru winner ever created. |
Lopen | Posted 3/22/2010 10:37:16 PM | message detail |
Why
not? Cloud got close to Link this year, and Snake/Samus got close to
Cloud this year. Slight hate boost and you have a Link that can be
upset by Cloud and a Cloud that can be upset by Snake/Mario/Samus. --- Foiled again, Link pulled the Dr. Football away! Good grief! |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/22/2010 10:42:13 PM | message detail |
Why would you put Sonic so high? Why don't you adjust him through Luigi/Bacondorf 2007? --- *Obligatory lol guru contest sig* Congrats to Dr. Football "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - tr |
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/22/2010 10:43:40 PM | message detail |
Bacon
better see this and realize that there is at least a possibility of a
non-Clink winner and put Link and Cloud on the same side. Imagine that,
coming into the contest realizing that we have 4 legitimate possible
winners (Samus loses an SFF match to someone unless she faces a Snake
who has just defeated Mario in the quarters-and I find it incredibly
unlikely that Samus could have any Nintendo advantage over Snake that
Mario wouldn't also have). And I guess people could argue for Sephiroth
if they think FFVII anti-votes were such a huge deal and that they may
slow down next year. |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/22/2010 10:44:30 PM | message detail |
Also, I really like the setup for our 4 Capcom near elites. Zero Leon Ryu Dante Who wins? --- *Obligatory lol guru contest sig* Congrats to Dr. Football "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - tr |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/22/2010 11:02:46 PM | message detail |
I just don't see any way Cloud could beat Link but lose to Mario. It doesn't make any sense, but I guess it's not impossible. From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #122 I adjusted Sonic by making Ken = Akuma, which I'm pretty satisfied with, personally. He's probably a little overrated due to Ganondorf's picture disadvantage and the night match, but you just have to take those things in mind yourself. --- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...Dr_Football." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/22/2010 11:15:33 PM | message detail |
FFXIII has retaken the lead from "Haven't played." --- "I couldn't stand a Dr_Football without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
vcharon | Posted 3/22/2010 11:29:44 PM | message detail |
"It's not the destination, but the journey." - SBAllen --- :> |
Haguile | Posted 3/23/2010 12:13:12 AM | message detail |
Zack
is going to get a boost next contest, he is appearing in Birth by
Sleep. How strong will his boost be? I know Auron got boosted a good
deal by his KH appearance, but this is a psp game so... Also, could we get away with nominating both Squall and "Leon" from Kingdom hearts? (I like Squall. Sue me.) --- http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m294/ze-hyper-1/Cloud.jpg I thought HE would be able to lead Link?? |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/23/2010 12:21:29 AM | message detail |
I
seriously doubt that anyone whos getting KH: Birth by Sleep hasn't
already played Crisis Core, cuz of the PSP demographic... so I don't
expect much of a boost. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/24y7282.jpg Albion Hero is the Cream of Dr_Football fanboyism |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/23/2010 5:10:24 AM | message detail |
After
Roxas laid an egg, I'm pretty sure that non-mainline handheld side
games have no effect on people. Well, I guess Zack is the exception. --- *Obligatory lol guru contest sig* Congrats to Dr. Football "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - tr |
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/23/2010 5:28:05 AM | message detail |
Sephiroth number 6?Oh man...At least the N9 remains.Well okay except Sonic but he always was the weakest... --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/23/2010 5:36:35 AM | message detail |
No, Snake looked weakest in 2004-5 (don't count '02 because Snake was behind Link/Mario SFF in that year). |
MegatokyoEd | Posted 3/23/2010 5:43:02 AM | message detail |
Based
on those stats, the N9 is more intact than I figured it would be. I
doubt Charizard and Missingno will be as strong next contest. --- Demyx is better than Axel. |
ZenOfThunder | Posted 3/23/2010 6:00:06 AM | message detail |
Holy **** http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/03/500x_dewbox.jpg The next character to get their GAME FUEL on is none other than Big Boss. http://kotaku.com/5499782/the-next-mountain-dew-game-fuel-experience-is What is this world coming to? --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/23/2010 6:04:14 AM | message detail |
I
think the Mario adjustment is pretty bad, considering that it's based
on an obvious SFF match- if Mario/Samus is legitimate, you may as well
say Link/Mario is legitimate and leave him where he is in the raw
stats. At least set Mario = Samus or something if you don't believe
he's below her indirectly as most of the evidence suggests (that lines
up with assuming a constant Sora and Squall, by the way). --- Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest. |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/23/2010 6:18:32 AM | message detail |
I'm
sorry, but in fact, it's not just bad, it's awful, and the raw stats
would probably be closer to the truth. Mario didn't SFF Samus at all
last year, but suddenly Link put 10 points of SFF to Mario when he's
never been able to do more than a little before? You don't seem to even
believe it yourself, as you adjusted Charizard and his whole division
down instead of extrapolating them based on what Charizard actually got
on Mario. --- Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest. |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/23/2010 6:19:14 AM | message detail |
From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #124 MMX > Zero --- The day Dr. Footballl blessed us with his presence was the greatest day of our lives But for him, it was Tuesday |
Karma Hunter | Posted 3/23/2010 6:23:38 AM | message detail |
Snake
2k5 was the strongest Snake ever before the Brawl announcement. People
seem to forget how close he was to the rest of the pack that year
(Sprite Snake doesn't mean anything, unless you're trying to discredit
2k10 Snake even more). http://kotaku.com/5499782/the-next-mountain-dew-game-fuel-experience-is YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS --- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/23/2010 6:42:25 AM | message detail |
At
least Big Boss is an awesome character who most definetely deserves to
do well in these things. I just watched the scene from MGS4 where Big
Boss disarms his best son and hugs him. That was cool. |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/23/2010 6:44:52 AM | message detail |
It appears red sox doesn't like the fact that Mario would beat Crono :p Who would have thought!? --- The day Dr. Footballl blessed us with his presence was the greatest day of our lives But for him, it was Tuesday |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/23/2010 6:46:20 AM | message detail |
Mario
would probably beat Crono, but that doesn't mean he should be above
Snake. Unless you're saying that Crono > Sephiroth, in which case
I'm okay with this! --- Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest. |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/23/2010 6:48:52 AM | message detail |
More Trivia: Which two characters have so far been the only ones to fail in doubling their first round opponents despite a prediction percentage of over 90%? Hint: They've faced each other before. Name the strongest character never to step outside of handhelds (this should be obvious and require no opinion, no?). Name five characters who have had a noticeable overperformance or underperformance depending on their match pic. Bonus Question: Who do you think is the strongest non-NNer who is not from an RPG? |
RPGuy96 | Posted 3/23/2010 6:49:35 AM | message detail |
Link got 70% on Samus the last two times they met, but we don't hold it against her. --- Mustache...and Football... |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/23/2010 6:51:02 AM | message detail |
Right, we don't put Link at 70% on Samus, and we shouldn't put Mario at what he gets on Samus after SFF either. --- Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest. |
RPGuy96 | Posted 3/23/2010 6:52:20 AM | message detail |
Right,
but he's pretty clearly stronger. Whether he's stronger than Snake is
anyone's guess - I'd say not, this year at least - but Leon was trying
to base it on something. --- Mustache...and Football... |
charmander6000 | Posted 3/23/2010 6:55:47 AM | message detail |
Are we seriously arguing 1% on the stats? --- Calintares made a whole lot of geolocation x-stats Congrats to Dr. Football for winning the Guru. |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/23/2010 6:59:13 AM | message detail |
How in the world is he clearly stronger than Samus? 53.6% on Charizard is now equal to Sephiroth? At best you can justify setting Mario = Samus, and I'll let it go at that, even though I think he's a step below her. There's really no justification for putting him above Snake or putting him that far above Sephiroth, or putting him above 45% on Link. --- Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest. |
RPGuy96 | Posted 3/23/2010 7:05:25 AM | message detail |
55% on Pikachu is evidently better than Sephiroth. --- Mustache...and Football... |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/23/2010 7:08:39 AM | message detail |
Indeed. Just like Crono will be stronger than Link after he beats Snake in the sprite round next year. Edit: I noticed Leon didn't actually do what I thought he did, and actually based Mario/Samus off his 2008 stats instead of the actual 2008 results. That gives better results, but there was no adjustment made for day/night with regards to Samus and Sephiroth, so Mario ends up about the same distance from Sephiroth as using the actualy 2008 numbers and adjusting for time effects does. --- Dr. Football was not stopped by any of us, and won the Guru Contest. |
RPGuy96 | Posted 3/23/2010 7:10:05 AM | message detail |
Not to mention, being even with Missingno. seems to get you pretty close to Sephiroth. --- Mustache...and Football... |