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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 894
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/21/2010 1:43:20 PM | message detail |
Maybe if we're REALLY lucky, we won't have 4ways/era bracket >_< --- The day Dr. Footballl blessed us with his presence was the greatest day of our lives But for him, it was Tuesday |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/21/2010 1:43:49 PM | message detail |
From: Team Rocket Elite | #400 Link looking weaker this final match is same reason he looked weaker in 2003... people are anti voting him cuz they're sick of him winning every year. He's obviously stronger then this. --- http://i43.tinypic.com/24y7282.jpg Albion Hero is the Cream of Dr_Football fanboyism |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2010 1:44:11 PM | message detail |
From: TheKoolAidShoto | #401 What, we want Galaxy to be humiliated fairly? At least in 2009, we can blame Pokemon and Brawl! --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Dr_Football' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
FFI3_Lightning | Posted 3/21/2010 1:44:56 PM | message detail |
The best way to advertise is to release big games. Link has one coming up Cloud doesn't. --- http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4679/ffxilightning87.png |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2010 1:45:12 PM | message detail |
He's obviously stronger then this. No, he isn't. If he's getting anti-champion votes, then this is part of his intrinsic strength now. And the first four rounds all pointed to Link having lost a step. For some reason, we decided to forget about that after he SFF'd Sonic and Mario. --- "I can set you free, Dr_Football." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
charmander6000 | Posted 3/21/2010 1:45:30 PM | message detail |
lol anti-voting, Link is just weaker like Ganondorf and Zelda. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Character Battle VIII - 325/384 - Today's Winner: Link |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2010 1:45:37 PM | message detail |
Oh, and Alucard = Captain Falcon has predicted this match rather closely, I might add! It'll be a little off, but still. --- "I couldn't stand a Dr_Football without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." |
FFI3_Lightning | Posted 3/21/2010 1:46:22 PM | message detail |
...but it lost to freaking VICE CITY in the most favorable match for it in the whole damn universe. It's a weak, weak, weak game. sorry i misunderstood. --- http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4679/ffxilightning87.png |
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 3/21/2010 1:47:33 PM | message detail |
Link
looking weaker this final match is same reason he looked weaker in
2003... people are anti voting him cuz they're sick of him winning
every year. He's obviously stronger then this. Unless those anti-voter plan to stop after this match, they are now a part of Link's strength or I guess weakness. If anything, more people getting on the anti-voting wagon will weaken Link even further. --- Dr_Football punted my bracket across the field. Congrats to Dr_Football for winning the Character Battle 8 Guru Contest! |
FFI3_Lightning | Posted 3/21/2010 1:47:36 PM | message detail |
Link looking weaker this final match is same reason he looked weaker in 2003.. Cel shaded Link. --- http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4679/ffxilightning87.png |
vcharon | Posted 3/21/2010 1:47:43 PM | message detail |
From: FFI3_Lightning | #404 Oh please, "has one coming up" as in "announced for whenever" hardly even counts. --- :> |
charmander6000 | Posted 3/21/2010 1:47:52 PM | message detail |
Vice City isn't weak, sure it should be stronger all things consider, but it isn't some fodder game. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Character Battle VIII - 325/384 - Today's Winner: Link |
FFI3_Lightning | Posted 3/21/2010 1:54:02 PM | message detail |
Oh please, "has one coming up" as in "announced for whenever" hardly even counts. I was referring to Next Years contest. The new zelda would be out by then, it will significantly boost Link depending on how influential it can be for a new generation of fans. --- http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4679/ffxilightning87.png |
BFarmer1980 | Posted 3/21/2010 1:55:14 PM | message detail |
From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #378 I can't say I agree with your reasoning here. The assumption that the one part of the bracket is the only one that would be cared about is to assume that there's no interest in any characters outside of the N9, a stereotype that's pretty easily refuted by the level of "meh" that this year's final vote has receive. Sure, there are plenty of votes, but how many people are voting for one character or the other despite caring little about either? The evidence of that attitude can be identified based on the cross-section of opinions seen on this forum today. I also fail to see how the field is tightly grouped. A simple look over the 8 year history of the contest seems to overwhelmingly indicate otherwise. The trending of the final fours over the 8 year period is pretty clear, despite the joke fluke of a couple of years ago. Also, if you'll recall and reread the first sentence of mine that you quoted, you'll see that I stated that I don't think it's a good idea to eliminate anyone one from the field. The all-caps, screaming tirade of your second sentence seemed to imply that I suggested banning characters. If I mistook your intent, I apologize. I'd say that's a rather short-sighted and over-exaggerated viewpoint, but you're certainly welcome to it. :-) |
Denzokuken | Posted 3/21/2010 1:56:43 PM | message detail |
For once Cloud may be getting antivoted less than his opponent then... I'm so proud of you gamefaqs, you've come a long way. --- I've never had a signature before... then Dr_Football looked, blinked, and I had one. |
vcharon | Posted 3/21/2010 1:59:31 PM | message detail |
I'm
also not really seeing how suddenly you guys are saying people are
anti-voting Link; it's not happening, period. Link would have shown
signs of weakness if he was truly being anti-voted (like for example,
Cloud is). Instead, he promptly crushed Sonic and Mario worse than
either of them had ever been beaten before. As for his first matches,
again not a sign of Link weakness. That's how the contest is now, the
days of regularly getting 80% are over and will never return. --- :> |
Xeybozn | Posted 3/21/2010 1:59:48 PM | message detail |
Hypothetical scenario: Zelda Wii is as badly received as Sonic '06. Which characters would you take to beat Link? --- Congrats to Dr_Football - Guru Champion 2010 |
Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/21/2010 2:00:04 PM | message detail |
From: Xeybozn | #417 --- http://i43.tinypic.com/24y7282.jpg Albion Hero is the Cream of Dr_Football fanboyism |
charmander6000 | Posted 3/21/2010 2:01:00 PM | message detail |
A bad game does not make you weaker, it just doesn't boost you that much. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Character Battle VIII - 325/384 - Today's Winner: Link |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2010 2:03:04 PM | message detail |
As for his first matches, again not a sign of Link weakness. Link failed to meet expectations based on previous years' Links every time. Plus, we're looking at Snake and Samus at 44-45% on Link. I don't think they boosted that much. There's only so much of that you can blame on Cloud, too. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this Dr_Football we on!" |
Hvv0l24n9 | Posted 3/21/2010 2:04:50 PM | message detail |
From: vcharon | #397 This. If we're taking out Link due to this gap, well we might as well take out Cloud. Didn't he beat Snake with 52% or something? The only way anyone besides Link beats him is anti-votes coupled with bandwagoning. And it didn't help this year. Yeah, I know you all don't believe the bandwagon, but I definitely think it was present. Just not strong enough. And I really have to question if you people really think a FFVII remake wouldn't boost Cloud greatly...seriously. --- PSN: Iquan_5 XBL: Vash Iquan Hey...would you say I became a hero? |
vcharon | Posted 3/21/2010 2:06:20 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #420 Very few characters met expectations in blowouts. --- :> |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/21/2010 2:06:26 PM | message detail |
Link
is being anti-voted a lot, but it doesn't matter. He's too far ahead of
everyone else to ever lose a normal 1v1 again. Retire him. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ You can't hide forever! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2010 2:07:04 PM | message detail |
I'm
not even talking about blowouts against fodder. I don't even care about
what he got on Thrall. What he got on Alucard was a lot less than
should have been expected based on previous years. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Dr_Football' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
creativename | Posted 3/21/2010 2:07:39 PM | message detail |
From: UltimaterializerX | #1854 Saying Link is 99% to win is being utterly detached for reality, and there's absolutely no excuse for being ignorant of this. I said it before: People are being ignorant of reality and history when they make these foolishly overconfident statements for, as irriadin said with wisdom, posturing purposes. For god's sake's L-Block won a contest. L-BLOCK. "All logic" points to Link winning easily next year - but these contests are inherently unpredictable, and often defy "all logic". Whatever agenda people have, people can argue it without making statements that are flat-out stupid, and untrue to anyone who can process logic. Seriously, I can't believe anyone with any common sense or understanding of logic at all would be arguing this. From: Denzokuken | #2055 Well not really. Cloud almost certainly gets his typical anti-FF7 votes - even though Link displayed FF7 trends sometimes, it's Cloud showing the FF7 trends in this match clearly. Any Link anti-votes are easily offset by Cloud hate, as evidenced by the Power Hour and Cloud's typical rise to heaven since. Cloud was maybe benefitting from Link anti-votes for all of the first minute maybe - he was at 44% there, higher than the rest of the board vote and Power Hour. But of course, even that is much lower than what he'll finish with. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
vcharon | Posted 3/21/2010 2:08:54 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #424 Based on what everyone else did though, Link ends up as far ahead of everyone as he always was. --- :> |
creativename | Posted 3/21/2010 2:10:05 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #2104 This actually is would be explained a lot by the night match. Link would've gotten absolute minimum 1.25% higher in a 24 hour match against those guys, perhaps even pushing 2% higher. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
charmander6000 | Posted 3/21/2010 2:10:44 PM | message detail |
Are you not looking at the stats? Link is not as far away from everyone as he use to be. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Character Battle VIII - 325/384 - Today's Winner: Link |
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/21/2010 2:12:18 PM | message detail |
From: creativename | #422 Yes in a 4-way contest, which has been proven to increase randomness and the potency of bandwagons/joke characters. Please stop bringing up this point in your already flawed argument. --- The day Dr. Footballl blessed us with his presence was the greatest day of our lives But for him, it was Tuesday |
charmander6000 | Posted 3/21/2010 2:13:28 PM | message detail |
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vcharon | Posted 3/21/2010 2:13:44 PM | message detail |
From: charmander6000 | #428 Don't you mean everyone else is just closer to him? I'm not talking about "Link beats everyone by more than ever", I'm talking about Link being ahead of the next guy in the x-stats by the same margin he typically is. The field has just compacted itself a little bit, that's all. --- :> |
charmander6000 | Posted 3/21/2010 2:14:02 PM | message detail |
Considering Missingno almost had this contest in reach I don't think you could just go lol four-ways. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Character Battle VIII - 325/384 - Today's Winner: Link |
charmander6000 | Posted 3/21/2010 2:15:01 PM | message detail |
Don't you mean everyone else is just closer to him? No, I mean that Link got weaker this year. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Character Battle VIII - 325/384 - Today's Winner: Link |
vcharon | Posted 3/21/2010 2:15:09 PM | message detail |
Joke strength isn't a threat to Link, Missingno. proved it. It was put in a winnable situation against the most anti-voted character in existence and failed. --- :> |
creativename | Posted 3/21/2010 2:17:05 PM | message detail |
From: TheKoolAidShoto | #2109 Right. MY argument is flawed. Incredible. The lack of awareness of contest history is astounding. A cameo in Kingdom Hearts was alone enough to beat Link. Cloud is going to hold him to under 54% in a year in which FF7 looked like absolute ass. Link should at least stay stable, likely boost based on Zelda Wii - Cloud should continue to drop. "Should". Should does not always happen. People want Link out of the main bracket, fine - rally for that. No problem. I don't have a problem with the agenda as much as with what absolutely dumbass things people are saying to support it. People don't need to make embarrassingly ignorant statements trying to support this idea. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
charmander6000 | Posted 3/21/2010 2:17:54 PM | message detail |
So, the threat was there or can we go lol expected final despite Cloud having to claw his way through two matches? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB8%20BOP.xls Character Battle VIII - 325/384 - Today's Winner: Link |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2010 2:31:08 PM | message detail |
Link ends up as far ahead of everyone as he always was. The last time we ended up with multiple non-Cloud/Sephiroth characters at over 40% on Link was 2002, so make of that what you will. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this Dr_Football we on!" |
shadow8021 | Posted 3/21/2010 2:36:39 PM | message detail |
"It was put in a winnable situation against the most anti-voted character in existence..." Funny, I don't remember Missingno taking on Master Chief... --- WE ARE... |
Calintares | Posted 3/21/2010 2:37:08 PM | message detail |
What would you take Snake to get against Link this year? do you take his value through Cloud at face value? --- Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die. |
Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2010 2:40:20 PM | message detail |
His Smash support would've been sapped to a good degree, but I'd take Snake to easily stay above 40% in this match. --- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
RPGuy96 | Posted 3/21/2010 2:42:16 PM | message detail |
What would you take Snake to get against Link this year? do you take his value through Cloud at face value? I don't see why not. Thrall and Alucard told us that Link was weaker, but then we got impressed by his ability to lay down the SFF hammer against Luigi, Sonic, and Mario (maaaybe X, not sure). I'm sure if Cloud had faced Riku, Squall, and Sephiroth instead of Falcon, Samus, and Snake we'd be more in awe of his power too. --- Mustache...and Football... |
vcharon | Posted 3/21/2010 2:42:42 PM | message detail |
He'd
probably cling to just above 40% I think. Cloud/Link is an eternal
battle with a lot of people fiercely supporting each of them. Even with
his bandwagon effect post-Sephiroth victory, Snake couldn't beat Cloud
or even make it that interesting beyond the first few hours. If he had
ran into Link instead of Cloud, then yeah I could see Link approaching
60% put being held under it by Snake fans. --- :> |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2010 2:44:33 PM | message detail |
But
the fact that someone is breaking 40% at all on Link is pretty
impressive. Even in 2004, when Crono may have been the #4 guy in the
Noble Nine, he couldn't even get that close to it on Link. --- Dr_Football is the best Guru winner ever created. |
FFI3_Lightning | Posted 3/21/2010 2:45:04 PM | message detail |
Looking back at Link/Cloud in 06... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2566 Same % and on the eve of TP. I would say Link has only gotten slighty weaker. --- http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4679/ffxilightning87.png |
vcharon | Posted 3/21/2010 2:48:53 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #443 I thought it was agreed this was just a different site now. The days of the Noble Nine beating down fodder with 85+% are gone and won't be coming back. It's only natural they'd do slightly worse on midcarders, upper midcarders, etc. That isn't a sign of Link being weaker or vulnerable at all though, which was the basis of this argument to begin with. People still want to say "anything can happen", but I don't believe it for one minute. Link is still on a plateau all by himself and he's not going to be approached. --- :> |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2010 2:51:28 PM | message detail |
This has nothing to do with fodder. Snake isn't fodder. --- "I can set you free, Dr_Football." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/21/2010 2:52:08 PM | message detail |
And arguing "this is a different site now" isn't an excuse for Link not doing as well relative to the rest of the field. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this Dr_Football we on!" |
vcharon | Posted 3/21/2010 2:55:17 PM | message detail |
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irriadin | Posted 3/21/2010 2:55:29 PM | message detail |
So
if Link is on a tier to himself, what excludes Cloud Strife from being
lumped into the "too strong for the normal bracket" group? A
bandwagoned Snake couldn't bring the match close, apart from the first
few hours. Samus was looking really good throughout the contest, yet
she lost decisively. The ONLY outside shot at Cloud (apart from Link,
obviously) is Mario. --- "I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time. http://www.last.fm/user/irriadin |
vcharon | Posted 3/21/2010 2:56:22 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #447 The point is he still is beating Cloud by about the same percentage as he ever has. I don't view it as Link being weaker, I just view it as several characters (like Snake) being stronger. Just because Snake is stronger doesn't equate to him beating Link or Link being weaker. --- :> |
