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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 894
Denzokuken | Posted 3/21/2010 2:33:23 AM | message detail |
Cloud blasts past his 2006 %. Link hasn't won an update for 30 mins... oh yeah Cloud. --- I've never had a signature before... then Dr_Football looked, blinked, and I had one. |
Kotetsu534 | Posted 3/21/2010 2:35:21 AM | message detail |
I know, Snake rSFF'd Cloud! >.> --- Currently Playing: Final Fantasy XIII You're pretty good, Dr_Football. |
DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 3/21/2010 2:36:30 AM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #098 Agreed. I came up with an idea of anti-voting in general last month or so.. it seemed the strongest characters weren't doing very hot compared to past years from the first round. Samus was the only one that really impressed me of the Noble Nine... and Maybe Mega Man after he destroyed Ryu H. I mean.. Thrall gets 20%, then Luigi and Sonic only get 29%? --- CBVIII: 104/122 - 248 pts, tied for 264th Night Pick: Cloud Day Pick: Sephiroth |
tgs2 | Posted 3/21/2010 2:37:05 AM | message detail |
Are we outside of Cloud's TOTAL DOMINATION ZONE (1 of 2) yet? --- You may take Mr. Rogers down, but I will be back and become more powerful than you ever imagine "tgs is taking it alone" |
DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 3/21/2010 2:38:31 AM | message detail |
This
trend is crazy... we're effectively seeing a 10% swing in the vote
here. Even the Chief couldn't manage that on his best days. --- CBVIII: 104/122 - 248 pts, tied for 264th Night Pick: Cloud Day Pick: Sephiroth |
Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2010 2:39:24 AM | message detail |
If
Cloud and Seph were being antivoted though, so was Link - we saw it
manifest well enough in the Alucard/MMX matches. Link's dominance has
caught up to him, and this version's got antivotes that are a part of
his natural strength now. That's probably why Cloud is doing better, in all honesty - Link's antivotes are countering Cloud's. --- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
Denzokuken | Posted 3/21/2010 2:39:24 AM | message detail |
Are we outside of Cloud's TOTAL DOMINATION ZONE (1 of 2) yet? Not quite, also because it's a weekend it might well be extended. --- I've never had a signature before... then Dr_Football looked, blinked, and I had one. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/21/2010 2:39:34 AM | message detail |
From: Karma Hunter | #099 I did kinda want to bring that up but fear of violence kept me quiet! I mean, I guess we can argue that LINK is being anti-voted so Cloud can get the big upset, but how complicated do we want to get here? This is Link vs. Cloud in the finals. There's no wonky trends so far and no SFF between these two; I'm taking this match as one of the most legit of the contest, and unless Link goes gangbusters with the day vote, Cloud should finish with 46%+ here. Now, either we take this to mean that Samus/Snake also had legit performances and are a big step ahead of Mario (at least indirectly), or it means the FFVII guys were just being dragged down in the last rounds. I have an easier time buying the latter theory. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... Dr_Football own me... in the Guru Contest! |
Lopen | Posted 3/21/2010 2:39:39 AM | message detail |
From: DaruniaTheGoron | #105 Pfft Chief swings 20% on his best days what are you talking about. See Chief/Crono or Chief/Frog for more details. --- Foiled again, Link pulled the Dr. Football away! Good grief! |
Denzokuken | Posted 3/21/2010 2:40:10 AM | message detail |
That's probably why Cloud is doing better, in all honesty - Link's antivotes are countering Cloud's. And yeah, this is the answer to all this. There is definitely a greater anti-Link sentiment than I've seen before. --- I've never had a signature before... then Dr_Football looked, blinked, and I had one. |
CP724 | Posted 3/21/2010 2:41:23 AM | message detail |
You
know, I really think the "not Cloud" vote is somthing like 25% now,
that would explain why he does so well on Link, and so poorly on
everything else. Including his near misses on Samu/Snake. --- derp |
Lopen | Posted 3/21/2010 2:41:41 AM | message detail |
Funny to see all these anti-vote theories thrown around. My whole rationale for picking Snake this year centered around that. Unfortunately I was a year or two ahead of my time. But it'll happen, give it time. --- Foiled again, Link pulled the Dr. Football away! Good grief! |
Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2010 2:42:48 AM | message detail |
Ridley/Falcon/Chris to have negative x-stat percentages I can buy this --- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
Xuxon | Posted 3/21/2010 2:46:49 AM | message detail |
Cloud
and Sephiroth have become non-linear now like MC with the anti-voting
tendancies. So Sephiroth actually overperformed on Snake and would now
lose to Mega Man! --- Dr. Football is a true gentleman, indeed. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/21/2010 2:49:05 AM | message detail |
From: Xuxon | #114 I get the feeling all of our elite guys have become less transitive, at least in the final rounds and against each other. It's fine by me; it makes for a fun contest and forces us to examine more things when filling out a bracket. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... Dr_Football own me... in the Guru Contest! |
Xuxon | Posted 3/21/2010 2:51:33 AM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #115 It's linear damnit! Why does everyone make this mistake? --- Dr. Football is a true gentleman, indeed. |
DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 3/21/2010 2:57:19 AM | message detail |
From: Lopen | #109 He went from consistent 30% updates to around 42% on Crono. So you are right, Chief has swung more than this. But not 20%, haha. At least not consistently like Cloud is. --- CBVIII: 104/122 - 248 pts, tied for 264th Night Pick: Cloud Day Pick: Sephiroth |
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 3/21/2010 3:15:39 AM | message detail |
All our Elites save Megaman and Samus. On an unrelated topic, Gunbuster > Diebuster --- Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire. |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/21/2010 3:27:23 AM | message detail |
I
have a question to ask. Would you consider Pokemon RBY to be the start
of new Nintendo, and that Charizard overperformed on Mario due to
contrast such as that (same can be applied to SSB overperforming on
SMB)? |
Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2010 3:28:26 AM | message detail |
No,
no. Charizard would've gotten his face kicked in if he got Mario in
Round 1. Other factors contributed to that overperformance, HG/SS chief
among them. --- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 3/21/2010 3:30:28 AM | message detail |
I
don't really see an old and new Nintendo, at least in terms of these
contests. Every Nintendo character has had games from every generation
that have been praised (besides Samus not having any on the N64). In
fact I'd say Pokemon's inability to get over the hump is because it
only appeals to newer gamers, whereas Mario/Link can appeal to retro
AND new gamers. --- CBVIII: 104/122 - 248 pts, tied for 264th Night Pick: Cloud Day Pick: Sephiroth |
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 3/21/2010 3:34:16 AM | message detail |
Depends when you define old/new Nintendo. --- Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire. |
Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2010 3:35:22 AM | message detail |
Samus
is certainly 'new Nintendo'. Her strength comes in large part from SSB.
Super Metroid, while lauded, is a pretty weak game all things
considered - it nearly lost to Super Mario Kart twice, after all. And
the less said about the stupefyingly embarrassing Metroid Prime, the
better. That, however, means nothing as far as SFF goes. Pokemon's inability to be SFFed hard is because it was less Nintendo and more a phenomenon all its own at its height (though it does still get SFFed, unless you want to say stuff like FFX and MGS4 are a clear jump above RBY). It has plenty of retro appeal now - that's why it's so strong. If it was still just kiddy-appeal, we'd still see the games lose routinely to Xenogears. --- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
Swarles_Barkley | Posted 3/21/2010 3:36:48 AM | message detail |
Wow pretty great stuff from Cloud here! I was not expecting this --- Hello, Dexter Morgan |
Denzokuken | Posted 3/21/2010 3:37:26 AM | message detail |
Cloud laughs at Link's puny stalls. 47% let's go! --- I've never had a signature before... then Dr_Football looked, blinked, and I had one. |
__Smurf__ | Posted 3/21/2010 4:02:38 AM | message detail |
Think
it's probably time to retire these contests. The whole concept behind
voting is far less "who is your favorite character" and far more "who'd
be funnier if they won/lost" --- "if it could talk, I would do everything it told me to do " - SantaRPG on a piece of popcorn. |
nintendogirl1 | Posted 3/21/2010 4:07:42 AM | message detail |
From: __Smurf__ | #126 Think it's probably time to retire these contests. The whole concept behind voting is far less "who is your favorite character" and far more "who'd be funnier if they won/lost" Yes, a final four of Link/Mario/Cloud/Snake clealry shows that popularity is nothing and only joke characters count for anything. Hell, expand it to the quarter-finals, Charizard/Sonic/Samus/Sephiroth. They're all hilariously funny... right? --- They see him trollin' |
__Smurf__ | Posted 3/21/2010 4:17:13 AM | message detail |
From: nintendogirl1 | #126 I'm not sure if you're trying to wind me up or if you're really that dim but I'll bite anyway. =P The character who won a CB match in its peak days was seen as undisputedly the more popular character, results were transitive and performances were consistent aside from sff instances and a couple of odd Mario matches. There was no oddities, the more popular character won and that was it. The result was reflective of what the userbase thought of a character so who won/lost and the manner they did was more interesting to me. That factor isn't completely taken out of voting, its just diluted by a lot of other factors. Joke characters are undeniably a beast now,, bandwagoning is significant and anti-voting is huge. Some might like that its less predictable but for me its hard to care who wins or loses when theres so much situational randomness at play. --- Smurf 60% of the time he's awesome every time. |
Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2010 4:32:31 AM | message detail |
Antivotes have played a role in the final contest results as early as 2003. Big whoop. --- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
TheSnowVilliers | Posted 3/21/2010 4:35:24 AM | message detail |
I've
said from the beginning that Cloud would do far better here than Snake
ever could simply because the only reason Snake ever got close to
Cloud/Sephiroth was because of bandwagoning and anti-voting. You guys
say the trends weren't there -- but I don't think that anti-voting and
bandwagoning have to follow specific trends. Anyway, I still think the most likely hierarchy is Link > Cloud > Sephiroth > Mario > Samus > Snake. --- The ultimate Snow fanboy - Curt Just make sure you know whether you're hangin' on the cross, or bangin' in the nails. |
TheSnowVilliers | Posted 3/21/2010 4:37:47 AM | message detail |
AND CLOUD BLASTS THROUGH 47%!!! --- The ultimate Snow fanboy - Curt Just make sure you know whether you're hangin' on the cross, or bangin' in the nails. |
Denzokuken | Posted 3/21/2010 4:38:25 AM | message detail |
woo 47% performance of the round I think --- I've never had a signature before... then Dr_Football looked, blinked, and I had one. |
__Smurf__ | Posted 3/21/2010 4:41:20 AM | message detail |
From: Karma Hunter | #128 A very small role, in those days it was commonplace for Link and Cloud to be racking up to the 90% figure on fodder opponents, that just wouldn't happen now regardless of how bad the fodder were. --- "if it could talk, I would do everything it told me to do " - SantaRPG on a piece of popcorn. |
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/21/2010 4:42:17 AM | message detail |
I
didn't expected Cloud to break 47%.Of course he shall fall but no more
than 45%.It seems there are really anti-votes for Link.Who would have
thought? --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
Gooper Blooper | Posted 3/21/2010 4:48:28 AM | message detail |
Yeah
and whatever joker put Charizard in the near-elite list needs to never
make a stats topic again. I'm about to remove that part of the first
post outright. =( I'm sorry, I was just honoring Charizard's awesome run this year - I didn't know it was so important. --- And then the car wash cost five dollars. Pokemon Platinum: 1719 9497 5082 |
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/21/2010 5:03:48 AM | message detail |
In
Asia Link is less than 23%.Man!It is always the same,Nintendo does well
in North America/South America and not in the rest of the world. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2010 5:05:03 AM | message detail |
Hey Cloud it's past 8 EST Feel free to get blown to smithereens any time now! --- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/21/2010 5:11:34 AM | message detail |
Great job, Cloud! Projection based on Link/Cloud 2006: Link with 52.41%. Now that I think about it, OOT/FFVII 2009 was a better match to run projections on, and I'm fairly certain that gives a final score around 54% for Link. Would rather not check it, and keep hoping for 52% though. --- 2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth. All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled! |
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/21/2010 5:17:00 AM | message detail |
Also once again I suggest the bonus poll is Mario vs Snake. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/21/2010 5:17:38 AM | message detail |
That'd be a cool bonus match, as would Link vs. Everyone. --- 2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth. All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled! |
Iamthekuzalol | Posted 3/21/2010 5:17:44 AM | message detail |
2004: 43% on MM 2005: 43% on Mario 2006: 47% on Samus 2008: 43% on Cloud 2010: 48% on Cloud At the rate Snake is climbing, 2012 will be the year he wins the championship, embrace the inevitable upset!!!!!!! --- ...I...AM...THE...KUZA...LOL and i got owned by DR_FOOTBALL |
Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2010 5:19:15 AM | message detail |
I see nothing wrong with this logic Snake's got all those games starring him on the horizon after all :'( --- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
irriadin | Posted 3/21/2010 5:23:02 AM | message detail |
Does everyone still think Link should be retired? He's looking very beatable now. --- "I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time. http://www.last.fm/user/irriadin |
Karma Hunter | Posted 3/21/2010 5:29:34 AM | message detail |
Beatable by whom though? Accepting that the characters behind Cloud are worth what this match implies - which I'm sure will be a minority opinion here, we've got... Cloud, Snake, and maybe Sephiroth. Samus will never get over her SFF hump without a major paradigm shifting release. Cloud and Seph will keep making KH appearances, but KH2 only stemmed their annual bleeding. Snake for the near future has NOTHING, though hopefully Big Boss will function as a good enough proxy and/or the new MGS releases will contribute in some way. Right now, the best chance anyone has is for Link to get antivoted more and more. I think there's a cap on how much a character can really suffer from them. Cloud/Seph's best chance is an FF7 remake or to appear in something like SSB - the latter is sadly more likely than the former, I'd wager. Snake... next-gen remakes of the original Metal Gear games are the only thing I could see raising him to possible contender level. --- http://i48.tinypic.com/1ryijd.jpg http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/21/2010 5:32:55 AM | message detail |
Looks like Link is increasing his lead again. Well done Cloud, you won 4 whole hours. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as Dr_Football, Guru Champ! |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/21/2010 5:33:36 AM | message detail |
From: CP724 | #089 Link and Cloud have had nothing since TP and Advent Children, which was 4 and 5 years ago respectively. Samus and Snake have both had huge games that were more recent. Same reason why I'd take Mario over Cloud. NSMBWii clearly boosted him, as evidenced by his performance on Mega Man. --- "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1 |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/21/2010 5:35:42 AM | message detail |
From: __Smurf__ | #133 Except we haven't seen them go up against any real turbofodder, due to the vote-ins. Link would have broken 90% against Guybrush or Sandal. From: -LusterSoldier- | #145 I'm pretty sure someone called me a moron for saying Cloud would win at least 1 hour overnight. --- "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1 |
Kotetsu534 | Posted 3/21/2010 5:36:50 AM | message detail |
I think the best chance is Nintendo doing something really stupid with the next Zelda that annoys the fanbase bigtime - e.g. a bad voice actor for Link. --- Currently Playing: Final Fantasy XIII You're pretty good, Dr_Football. |
irriadin | Posted 3/21/2010 5:36:56 AM | message detail |
From: Karma Hunter | #144 *cough* http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/03/ffxiii-director-wants-to-remake-final-fantasy-vii/ Anyway, I'll agree that Link is only susceptible to those he cannot SFF, which makes it a small list. Cloud, Sephiroth, Snake. But this match proves that Link isn't completely untouchable; hell, who knows, Lightning might be the one to do it next year. Final Fantasy XIII is breaking all kinds of sales records... --- "I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time. http://www.last.fm/user/irriadin |
Calintares | Posted 3/21/2010 5:38:24 AM | message detail |
How are the votals going? also, who's had the most duels in 1v1? is it Link/Cloud? --- Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die. |
