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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 892

voltch | Posted 3/20/2010 8:27:27 AM | message detail
Cloud eats snake for breakfasts, those snakes also happen to be midgar zoloms.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/20/2010 8:28:25 AM | message detail
We need Midgar Zolom back and this time not against a FFVII character.
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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 3/20/2010 8:29:14 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #152
We need Midgar Zolom back and this time not against a FFVII character.


Midgar Zolom > Snake
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Haguile | Posted 3/20/2010 8:29:32 AM | message detail
Good. Keep him under a thousand votes. NOW CUT HIM.
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voltch | Posted 3/20/2010 8:38:11 AM | message detail
Snake doesn't cut, blades are not his style.
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Haguile | Posted 3/20/2010 8:38:33 AM | message detail
....Yeah I think it's over now.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/20/2010 8:38:45 AM | message detail
This party's over.

- Mace Windu
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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/20/2010 8:49:54 AM | message detail
This has been over since the freeze. In fact, I called this match 44 seconds in.

Very good show, Snake, just not quite good enough.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 3/20/2010 8:50:58 AM | message detail
Finally caught up to the topics.

I think Mario, Cloud, and Snake would all have a great shot of winning a Linkless bracket. Even Samus might have a shot if one of the other two disposes Mario early and the Nintendo fans bandwagon Samus, though that's a huge stretch.

I'd love to see a third-place poll between Mario and Snake. If anything else, it might give us some good adjustments to work with to make the x-stats not so pathetic!
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 3/20/2010 8:52:31 AM | message detail
So, looks like Cloud/Snake/Samus/Mario/Sephiroth are all close enough to eachother to have interesting matches, and Mega Man is probably not too far off from that.

This is probably the closest the Noble Nine has been packed together since 2002.
Mumei | Posted 3/20/2010 9:02:01 AM | message detail
This match is doing pretty impressively on votals. It's not quite on the level of a Link / Cloud 2006 (~10,000 behind), but still is fairly impressive.

Guesstimates on the final number of votes?

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Not_Wylvane | Posted 3/20/2010 9:02:36 AM | message detail

From: Wii_TuRtLe | #160
So, looks like Cloud/Snake/Samus/Mario/Sephiroth are all close enough to eachother to have interesting matches, and Mega Man is probably not too far off from that.

This is probably the closest the Noble Nine has been packed together since 2002.


That's pretty great. We actually have three contenders for second strongest character, and now the first tier is Link and the second tier is the other top five characters rather than the Clinkeroth tier and the Mario, Samus, and later Snake tier.

If Link retires and Bacon doesn't make another ****ty bracket, we could really have one hell of a contest next year.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 3/20/2010 9:03:53 AM | message detail
How does the first twelve hours of this poll compare to other night matches, anyway? Obviously pretty damn high since we've got probably two of the three strongest characters duking it out for second place.
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Mumei | Posted 3/20/2010 9:06:45 AM | message detail
How does the first twelve hours of this poll compare to other night matches, anyway? Obviously pretty damn high since we've got probably two of the three strongest characters duking it out for second place.

66,980 to 66,731

Just ahead of Seph / Missingno. For what it's worth, FFVII / OoT 2009 was at 81,074 at this point, and Cloud / Link 2006 was at 77,321.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/20/2010 9:06:59 AM | message detail
Snake is down to 50.8% in North America. Now it's just a matter of waiting 12 hours for king to step onto the arena.

I hope red sox makes another write-up.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 3/20/2010 9:09:31 AM | message detail
So the votals for the final three matches will probably be lower this contest than previous ones?

Kinda makes sense once you consider how few brackets there were this year.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/20/2010 9:11:29 AM | message detail
And with that, I have cast my vote for Solid Snake!

Cloud Strife 50.94%

34395
Solid Snake 49.06%

33131
TOTAL VOTES 67526

Believe.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/20/2010 9:12:29 AM | message detail
Also, it's just dawned on me that, barring a massive humiliation in the finals, Pikachu will finish ahead of Mario in the stats.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 3/20/2010 9:13:25 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #168
Also, it's just dawned on me that, barring a massive humiliation in the finals, Pikachu will finish ahead of Mario in the stats.


I can live with that!
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paraboxx | Posted 3/20/2010 9:13:56 AM | message detail
Bah. Stopped by hoping for one of the following:

- Snake winning.
- Cloud winning with a higher percentage than he had against Samus.
- Either of them somehow scoring a blowout so the finals would look remotely interesting.

Maybe next year.
ToadYoshi | Posted 3/20/2010 9:18:35 AM | message detail
Some thoughts:

-I am completely in favor of the idea to put Link only in a CHAMPIONSHIP DEFENSE bracket by himself, I think it was Gooper Blooper's idea but whoever's it was it is good. The top characters excluding Link are stacked closer together than it ever was, we really could be in for a potentially amazing contest next year. Also, it would help is SBAllan made some executive decisions and didn't go purely based on seedings, that way we could avoid garbage first and second round matchups like Crono/Missingno and Vincent/Sephiroth.

-This match was great for a while...unfortunately it's probably over now, still a great final meaningful match in a great contest.

-For best and worst fanbases, I absolutely consider Earthbound to be awesome. None of them ever complain about bad things like Ness losing or Earthbound getting zero respect among many people or having their highly anticipated game take forever to come out. Close behind them are the valve games TF2 and Portal. TF2 has some FPS idiots bringing the rest down, but that's bound to happen with all FPS games. After you get past that, the fanbase is welcoming, intelligent, off-the-charts creative and an overall great place for gamers to be. Portal is similar except they lack the FPS idiots. Fire Emblem is interesting, and my analysis ends up looking almost the same as TF2. There a significant number of elitists who will criticize all non-accepted opinions, but the good guys who are really care about the game are some of the greatest people to talk to.
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Mumei | Posted 3/20/2010 9:20:33 AM | message detail
So the votals for the final three matches will probably be lower this contest than previous ones?

Kinda makes sense once you consider how few brackets there were this year.


Eh. This match is doing about the same as Snake / Sonic did in 2006 (about 700 behind), and that match ended with 137,000, and about 13,000 votes ahead of Snake / Samus in 2006, which ended at 127,000.

I wasn't really expecting it to beat Link / Cloud or FF / Zelda matches, anyway. It's doing well.

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charmander6000 | Posted 3/20/2010 9:21:56 AM | message detail
It's possible for Mario to be above Pikachu, but that would mean that my prediction of Link being on another world and 60/40ing Cloud is true.

Then again if I told everyone that Link would break 60% without SFF on Mario, Samus and Snake before the contest I think most people would have believed me.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/20/2010 9:28:40 AM | message detail
You could still have a decent bracket next year with Link still in it, just put Cloud, Mario, Sephiroth, Samus and Snake all on the same half while we test Mega Man's strength on the opposite quarter from Link (Crono, Sonic, Square near-elites), make the second division something like the Heart Division was, strong, but not near-elite and make Link's division full of weak characters (like his division in the 2008 bracket, minus Zack)
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xp1337 | Posted 3/20/2010 9:33:04 AM | message detail
*Is back after being gone since Cloud led by 16 or so*

aww yeah Cloud.

I was hoping I'd return to a Cloud lead, but I didn't think it'd be near 1400.
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SC2k10 (283/334) Cloud v Sephiroth
TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/20/2010 9:33:13 AM | message detail
So...what's the strongest characters in this bracket gonna look like after this?

Link > Cloud > Snake > Mario > Samus > Sephiroth > Mega Man > Missingno > Squall > Vincent > Auron > Crono > Sonic?

Would Mega Man beat Sephiroth now?
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FFI3_Lightning | Posted 3/20/2010 9:34:06 AM | message detail
HAving a contest without Link is now a good idea, because we know that Samus-Cloud(stronger half of N9_ are much MUCH closer(except samus/mario which is a horrible SFF). Mario beatnig Cloud would be a possibility.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 9:34:27 AM | message detail
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 9:34:44 AM | message detail
Any contest we have next year will be improved by taking Link out of the bracket. Keeping him in has absolutely no benefits whatsoever.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/20/2010 9:39:33 AM | message detail
I think it would be better to take Link out, but you can still have a reasonably good setup with him in.

First quarter:
Link and scrubs

Second quarter:
Mega Man/Sonic/Crono/X and the near elites

Third quarter:
Mario and one or two of Cloud/Sephiroth/Snake

Fourth quarter:
Samus and the other part of Cloud/Sephiroth/Snake

The only real important thing is keeping Link away from Cloud/Seph/Snake/Samus/Mario...and Bacon very nearly managed that. Then you've got to separate Mario and Samus, obviously.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/20/2010 9:39:52 AM | message detail
I think without Link, the crown will be up for grabs, especially now with the upper tier of the contest being closer than ever. Mario/Cloud, MM/Sephiroth, Squall/Sonic, hell even The Char proved to be a beast.

Unfortunately, this all goes down the drain because before the season even starts, the champion is set in stone. Why root for your favorite team if the Super Bowl champ is announced in the pre-season?
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/20/2010 9:41:09 AM | message detail
The contest will never again have an exciting final round match until Link is banned for good. That alone is good enough reason to get him out of here, in my opinion. Unless you like knowing who will win even before the contest starts, that is.
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irriadin | Posted 3/20/2010 9:44:25 AM | message detail
I do find it immensely amusing to watch Link annihilate people though. Oh well, it would be better for the bracket to take him out, though.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/20/2010 9:44:35 AM | message detail
It's not the end result that matters, it is the path.

I'm fine with removing Link, but keeping him isn't going to ruin the contest. Would you say that this contest was boring, Link was afterall the obvious winner.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/20/2010 9:46:30 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #184
It's not the end result that matters, it is the path.


Why not have both, though? Taking out link doesn't hurt the journey.
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xp1337 | Posted 3/20/2010 9:46:40 AM | message detail
From: irriadin | #183
I do find it immensely amusing to watch Link annihilate people though. Oh well, it would be better for the bracket to take him out, though.

This. It always brings a smile to my face to see just how ridiculous Link can get. I'd say that whenever I think the gap has gotten as large as it can, Link goes even further, but I've since learned there's no limit to his power.

That said, if you put him in a 1-man ToC or something similar, I could still kind of see this so that'd be okay with me.
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irriadin | Posted 3/20/2010 9:46:48 AM | message detail
To be honest, the end result is the same if you bring Link back for a "Hall of Fame" championship match. The main bracket is just for determining who earns the privilege of getting curbstomped by Link.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/20/2010 9:48:05 AM | message detail
The Championship Defender Matchs sounds awesome.Really hope that the Boss will do it.
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Lord_Yggdrassil | Posted 3/20/2010 9:48:06 AM | message detail
By removing link means just getting rid of him in the MAIN contest. The winner of the main contest can face Link in a Bonus "vs the champion" poll.

Honestly..Mario/Cloud...after this year i wouldn't bet against MArio beating Cloud. We all know Mario is stronger than Snake.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/20/2010 9:48:23 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #184
It's not the end result that matters, it is the path.

I'm fine with removing Link, but keeping him isn't going to ruin the contest. Would you say that this contest was boring, Link was afterall the obvious winner.


That "its about the journey, not the destination" doesn't excuse the fact that the destination ****ing sucks and you can see coming before you even leave your house. This contest had a lot of fun and interesting moments, but NONE of them involved Link, and now we get a great 24-hour domination as our "destination" and payoff.

yaaaaaaay
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/20/2010 9:50:33 AM | message detail
Honestly..Mario/Cloud...after this year i wouldn't bet against MArio beating Cloud. We all know Mario is stronger than Snake.

...I

Never mind I think I'm gonna give up on Snake getting adequate respect at this point
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/20/2010 9:53:31 AM | message detail
That "its about the journey, not the destination" doesn't excuse the fact that the destination ****ing sucks and you can see coming before you even leave your house. This contest had a lot of fun and interesting moments, but NONE of them involved Link, and now we get a great 24-hour domination as our "destination" and payoff.

And a championship match involving Link won't involve the same thing?

Anyone remember Mario in the ToC?
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 3/20/2010 9:57:41 AM | message detail
KH, I hope you don't think Snake would beat Mario. Or that this indicates Snake's actual strength.

The constant rallying and bandwagoning(not to mention antivotes) have utterly borked the stats, and as such Snake comes across as stronger than he actually is. He went from embarassing himself against Pikachu and only doing a little better on Squall than in 06 to this-clearly something's gone awry.

He is as much stronger than Mario as Charizard is than Mega Man.
xp1337 | Posted 3/20/2010 9:58:04 AM | message detail
From: charmander6000 | #192
And a championship match involving Link won't involve the same thing?

Anyone remember Mario in the ToC?


Keep in mind I don't really mind Link's presence in the main bracket, just I wouldn't fight an effort to put him (and just him, removing anyone else is a deal-breaker) in a bonus match.

I think the logic, and it works well enough for me, is that unless you blatantly structure the contest in such a way, you're eventually going to have to throw the Noble Nine/Near-Elites, that'd be better off facing themselves, at Link unless you quarantine him off in one half or maybe quarter of a bracket with midcarders as the next best competition.
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SC2k10 (283/334) Cloud v Sephiroth
UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/20/2010 9:58:18 AM | message detail

From: RPGuy96 | #180
I think it would be better to take Link out, but you can still have a reasonably good setup with him in.

First quarter:
Link and scrubs

Second quarter:
Mega Man/Sonic/Crono/X and the near elites

Third quarter:
Mario and one or two of Cloud/Sephiroth/Snake

Fourth quarter:
Samus and the other part of Cloud/Sephiroth/Snake

The only real important thing is keeping Link away from Cloud/Seph/Snake/Samus/Mario...and Bacon very nearly managed that. Then you've got to separate Mario and Samus, obviously.


You don't think it's a problem that a good bracket revolves around keeping people away from Link for as long as possible?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/20/2010 10:00:39 AM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #190
That "its about the journey, not the destination" doesn't excuse the fact that the destination ****ing sucks and you can see coming before you even leave your house. This contest had a lot of fun and interesting moments, but NONE of them involved Link, and now we get a great 24-hour domination as our "destination" and payoff.

yaaaaaaay


Disagree. Watching Link make Sonic and Mario look like two old guys one troublesome dump away from a heart attack was awesome. There is no one else in the field that can do what Link does, and even if you don't like it, you guys need to stop acting like a large chunk of this contest was "ruined" just because the last 1/127th of it will be predictable.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/20/2010 10:00:46 AM | message detail
Just the fact is, Link is too strong and there really is no one who can ever hope to challenge him; Its like the Celtics of the 60s; they were too good that the NBA wasn't that fun to watch since everyone knew they'd win the title every year. Parity improves competitions, and taking out the over dominant force improves the overall parity.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 3/20/2010 10:01:26 AM | message detail
No, it is a problem, and I'd be fine with taking Link out. I just don't think it's absolutely necessary, though it does make it significantly easier to make a good bracket. And that's probably important when we're talking about Bacon making these.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/20/2010 10:03:40 AM | message detail
Oh yeah Snake is totally being rallied and bandwagoned to heaven here he's not strong at all

but Our The Invincible Queen SMAUS's performance on Cloud - that was totally legit!

Not that Snake surpassing a 53-47 deficit with SSB/MGS4 wouldn't be only plausible, but probable. No sirree.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/20/2010 10:04:18 AM | message detail
I think the best part about today, is that Cloud/Seph values from 2005 pretty accurately predict this. Looks like they've fallen relative to eachother.

And I have a feeling we're going to see a disappointing Link tomorrow. How great would it be if Cloud stays over 48%, meaning the top 7 NNers are all likely within 5% of eachother.
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