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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 892

KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 6:38:03 PM | message detail
Mega Man could very well be at Mario/Samus level. His performances certainly suggest it.

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LiveA_Live | Posted 3/20/2010 6:38:03 PM | message detail
blastoise to win the contest

hopefully pikachu or charizard wouldn't do well

manly pikachu though
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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 3/20/2010 6:41:17 PM | message detail

From: Mumei | #440
It's confusing that there are some people that like all three, and order them "Cloud > Snake > Sephiroth"?


I order them Sephiroth > Snake > Cloud, but voted for Cloud here.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 6:42:00 PM | message detail
you do realize that makes Seph look worse in the x-stats

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/20/2010 6:42:07 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #451
Mega Man could very well be at Mario/Samus level. His performances certainly suggest it.


I don't want you to think I'm "trolling" you or Mega Man or anything, but his performances don't suggest it against any of the people who matter. Heck, Mega Man can probably kill fodder better than those two, but does it really mean much when he's shown himself to be incapable of challenging Samus, Snake, and Mario in three consecutive years?
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zenk123 | Posted 3/20/2010 6:43:09 PM | message detail
Mario and Samus will always SFF the hell out of Mega Man. He has a chance to beat Sephiroth however.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/20/2010 6:44:01 PM | message detail
He could probably beat Crono with a pretty high percentage. That's worth something.

...Right?
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/20/2010 6:45:15 PM | message detail
MM/Crono would be close! Just because Crono lost to a character who got 47% on Sephiroth.......!
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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 3/20/2010 6:45:41 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #454
you do realize that makes Seph look worse in the x-stats


I decided I don't give a damn about the x-stats. Let Seph look worse.

It'll make my road to winning the contest next year even easier with all the people that pick Mega Man and Mario over him.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 6:46:10 PM | message detail
Mega Man from 2k6-2k8 is a whole different beast from the Mega Man of today. One got 55% on Sora, the other got 62% on Zack. I honestly don't really care what the past results show as opposed to the current results, which show that Mega Man - while probably not winning - would put up very high numbers on Samus/Snake/whoever.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/20/2010 6:47:44 PM | message detail
Well, Crono's been partially redeemed. He's gotta be worth well into the 40s on Cloud despite the Missingno/Seph/Snake losses. I think Mega Man vs. Crono would be a pretty close match, but I'd probably take Mega Man (as I'm assuming most would). But Crono is the guy who just lost it all for the N9, and Sonic's been pretty bad for two years running now. Mega Man should be shooting up; wins against those guys won't surprise anyone.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 6:48:06 PM | message detail
Basically what I'm saying is looking at the Mario match as any sort of indicator for Mega Man's strength is dumb when we saw the exact same thing happen to Samus. Perform like a champ, run into Mario, bam. Next year, Mario is removed...Samus wins the main bracket.

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red sox 777 | Posted 3/20/2010 6:48:09 PM | message detail
I've been pretty supportive of MM this contest (and I still am, that Mario match was SFF), but he doesn't really have a case against Samus and Snake now that we've seen Samus and Snake do so well against Cloud and Sephiroth. Well, not unless Link goes berserk and goes for 60% anyway.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 6:51:00 PM | message detail
I would take Mega Man straight up over Sephiroth in any setting but a night match.

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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 3/20/2010 6:51:19 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #464
I would take Mega Man straight up over Sephiroth in any setting but a night match.


hahahaha one less bracket to worry about
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 3/20/2010 6:51:46 PM | message detail
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LordLockeRA | Posted 3/20/2010 6:52:08 PM | message detail
Pfft? Only 60%? Underachiever.

Link is about to show up why he's the champ. Cloud is going to wish he ever woke up to give Snake a match.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 6:52:34 PM | message detail
You know guys, it's okay now. We don't have to pretend that Sephiroth is invincible anymore.

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LordLockeRA | Posted 3/20/2010 6:54:35 PM | message detail
As for Mega, yeah. I'd easily give him 5% back on Mario on SFF. I don't think that puts him in Sephiroth's range, and I think Samus is probably Mario-lite as far as Mega Man is concerned, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him 55-45 Sonic or Crono and possibly give Sephiroth a scare the same way Samus snuck up on Cloud.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/20/2010 6:55:05 PM | message detail
Honestly, Megaman getting ~55% or so on Tifa doesn't seem too implausible after seeing what he did on Cid and Zack. I guess I would entertain the idea of a Megaman victory over Seph.
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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 3/20/2010 6:55:14 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #468
You know guys, it's okay now. We don't have to pretend that Sephiroth is invincible anymore.


While he's not invincible, I still think it's utterly ridiculous to give anyone other than Snake and Samus a chance against him.

I'm a ridiculous Seph fanboy but I'd take Seph in a rematch, and probably over Samus too.
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/20/2010 6:55:49 PM | message detail
We need a Mario/Seph match next contest for Marios revenge.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 6:56:03 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3750
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3822

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3786
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3831

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3804
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3849

I mean yeah, Mega Man probably isn't the favorite or anything but exactly what in this contest has made Sephiroth seem like a clear victor?

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/20/2010 6:56:41 PM | message detail
Seph obviously isn't invincible, but taking Mega Man there is still extremely risky. He beat up weaker guys like a stud, but he still left this contest on a pretty low note - one that suggests Charizard gives him the old 55/45. It's very easy to look at his performances on Zack and sprite Hayabusa and evoke that he's the strongest he has been in years, but like, why would that happen? MM9 didn't seem to do diddly, so why would MM10 make a difference? What reason is there for his boost? He didn't have a bandwagon or momentum or anything, so it's gotta be attributable to something.
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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 3/20/2010 6:57:15 PM | message detail
I'd say Mega's repeated inability to hold up against elite competition among other things.

If Mega gets killed by Mario like he certainly isn't going to hold up against Sephiroth.
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irriadin | Posted 3/20/2010 6:57:34 PM | message detail
Lightning could be pretty powerful next contest. I mean, she's got a lot of memorable quotes ("Worst birthday EVER!" and "Get out of my house!") and does backflips every 10 seconds. That's got to count for something!

Seriously though, she is generally well-liked and even people who don't particularly care for the linearity of FF13 like most of the characters (except for Hope and Vanille (though Hope gets far more tolerable later in the game)).
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/20/2010 6:57:58 PM | message detail
Mega Man is one of those characters who is great at beating up lower tier characters, but can't hold up to the big boys. He's been like that ever since 2002 when he was getting some of the biggest blowouts in the contest.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/20/2010 6:58:25 PM | message detail

From: SecksThaNemesis | #471
I'm a ridiculous Seph fanboy but I'd take Seph in a rematch


Why was the "but" there? I think a better word would be "because".
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 6:58:39 PM | message detail
I'd say Mega's repeated inability to hold up against elite competition among other things.

I have no idea how this got started, but it's dumb. Mega Man doesn't have 'an inability to hold up'. There's a difference between collapsing and just plain being weaker - MM up until now was the latter.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 6:59:04 PM | message detail

From: Cyclo_Reaper | #477
Mega Man is one of those characters who is great at beating up lower tier characters, but can't hold up to the big boys. He's been like that ever since 2002 when he was getting some of the biggest blowouts in the contest.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=995

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/20/2010 6:59:24 PM | message detail

From: Cyclo_Reaper | #477
Mega Man is one of those characters who is great at beating up lower tier characters, but can't hold up to the big boys. He's been like that ever since 2002 when he was getting some of the biggest blowouts in the contest.


He went 50-50 with Sephiroth that year
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LordLockeRA | Posted 3/20/2010 6:59:28 PM | message detail
True. It seems like that Mega Blaster has sub-weapons- Blow Out Blast and the M.Choke
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 6:59:56 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2122

Gosh, guys, Samus must be really weak!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3852

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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 3/20/2010 7:00:19 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #480
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=995


Yeah one year later.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1366
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/20/2010 7:00:43 PM | message detail

From: The n00b Avenger | #481
He went 50-50 with Sephiroth that year


That was probably the strongest Mega Man we've ever had, and one of the weaker Sephiroths. If Mega Man couldn't beat him then, he never will.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 7:00:53 PM | message detail

From: SecksThaNemesis | #484
Yeah one year later.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1366


Yeah, that was also the year Sephiroth blew out Mario even worse and Cloud won the contest.

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HaRRicH | Posted 3/20/2010 7:01:02 PM | message detail
LordLockeRA, I can't recall seeing you post here before, but I like you now. Excellent post.


I think longevity plays a big part, just because these are guys people grew up with. Link, Mario, Samus, Mega Man, and Solid Snake started around when video games started recovering from the crash, for example, and Sonic/Crono came in the next generation. FF7 was the game GameFAQs really was built on, so Cloud and Sephiroth were exceptional in the regard of being the youngest Noble Niners (Snake should be among the youngest too, but the technicality better known as MG stopped him). Still, all of these guys were at least five years old when we had our first contest and only the RPG-segment of them (Cloud/Seph/Crono) had only one game. The rest had been around for generations with major releases for at least two systems.

The Noble Nine were also major players in paving the way for future games. Mario, Mega Man, Samus, and Sonic are platforming icons. Link made action/adventure games mandatory experiences (and brought out the first gold cartridges, which was a fun ploy for cartridge games ever since). Solid Snake is THE face of stealth gaming because of MGS, CT represented the best of RPG-games before they were mainstream, and Cloud/Sephiroth represented THE RPG that made the genre mainstream.

However, just because these guys were often the faces of a genre or movement doesn't make you strong; not ever icon, mascot, or well-known face gets strength here. Crash Bandicoot was treated as a serious competitor to Mario once upon a time. Lara Croft was once the most recognized video game character in the world. Pikachu is the mascot for the best-selling series probably ever at this point. Master Chief had arguably been the face of gaming between 2001 and 2007. Ryu and Sub-Zero were the respective leaders of the once-huge fighting debates between Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat.

Also, just because we have seen some characters thrive among the elites off of one or two games doesn't mean we will again. Keep in mind that our first contest came in 2002, less than a year after our first generation with three serious console-competitors (let's face it, the Saturn and Dreamcast weren't serious competitors, even if the Dreamcast should have been). Practically every voter had to come from a Nintendo-background of any generation, a Sega-background during the 16-bit era, or a Sony-background that was still selling well at that time. Now, eight years later, many gamers who came from those backgrounds have phased out; they're still around, but not like they used to be. Instead, many of our newer gamers have also been able to side with Microsoft for the past two generations.

It's hard to have a blockbuster game the size of FF7 or LoZ:OoT when you're dealing with a third console in the race. Ask RE4, which was on three major consoles in two different generations and was one of the best-received games in the decade. Leon's in that and the biggest RE-game before RE4 revitalized the series, and he's still not particularly strong despite a strong design. RE is Capcom's biggest series here now and Leon still couldn't catch a break with the elites.

So, what's it going to take for a decent character to become a Noble Nine-level competitor? I don't have an answer. Time and very high-quality games would be a good start, and paving the way for gaming in some regard shouldn't hurt either. After that, I don't know.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/20/2010 7:01:12 PM | message detail
Megaman still did better than Mario did against Seph that year, at least
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zenk123 | Posted 3/20/2010 7:02:35 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1366

KH factor

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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 7:02:48 PM | message detail

From: Cyclo_Reaper | #485
That was probably the strongest Mega Man we've ever had, and one of the weaker Sephiroths. If Mega Man couldn't beat him then, he never will.


You realize this is the exact same mindset that had people backing Seph this year until the very end despite him performing like crap up until that point?

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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/20/2010 7:02:57 PM | message detail
Good God Haarich, why do you always do these tl;dr posts when the thread is gonna be closed?
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Cyclo_Reaper | Posted 3/20/2010 7:03:30 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #490
You realize this is the exact same mindset that had people backing Seph this year until the very end despite him performing like crap up until that point?


I'm fine with taking mid tier NN over Seph... but bottom tier NN? He hasn't fallen that far.
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Hochimihnister | Posted 3/20/2010 7:04:18 PM | message detail
Lightning will probably be on Squall's level. She has an appealing design which is necessary to be powerful if you're an FF character. Squall, Auron, Vincent, Vivi, Tifa, Seph, Cloud are all powerful because of their design. If you look like an idiot like Tidus or Vaan, you'll crumble
Mumei | Posted 3/20/2010 7:04:21 PM | message detail
I've been hawk-eyeing the votals all day; we're on pace for just over 125,000 right now, which I guess is alright. Much better than yesterday's, anyway.

It's doing fine - for instance, it's doing better than Mario vs Sephiroth 2003 at the same point, is only ~4,000 behind Mario vs Crono 2003, and is only slightly behind (~1000) behind Snake vs Samus 2006.

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irriadin | Posted 3/20/2010 7:04:44 PM | message detail
Harrich is the tim rogers of gamefaqs
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Iamthekuzalol | Posted 3/20/2010 7:05:03 PM | message detail
Sephiroth or maybe FF7 as a whole has declined, but i still won't take a bottom N9 over Sephy.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/20/2010 7:05:05 PM | message detail
You know what, forget it. The Stats Topics' ability to cling to old outdated crap astounds me to this day.

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LiveA_Live | Posted 3/20/2010 7:05:11 PM | message detail
because harrich is the man
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LiveA_Live | Posted 3/20/2010 7:05:21 PM | message detail
with a plan
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/20/2010 7:05:32 PM | message detail
Crono > Mario

You know it to be true.
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