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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 884
TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/17/2010 6:16:00 PM | message detail |
Sorry,
let me rephrase what I think we've been saying. Luke wins the
head-to-heads. He gets on the right side of the SFF. But I think
indirectly he will be much weaker than Vader, Yoda, Chewie, Han, Boba
Fett, and probably bikini-Leia too. (I'm going to count bikini-Leia and normal Leia as two different characters. I feel like pictures could make a minimum of 5% difference for her, and maybe as much as 10%.) |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:16:04 PM | message detail |
Well,
Bowser being around 42% on Mario isn't the big issue. I'd say it'd be
more like Kratos being worth 42% on Mario and presumably 45%+ on Mega
Man (if you believe there was any sort of Mario/Mega Man SFF, and I
don't really think there's a compelling argument for it), which would
still imply Charizard >= Mega Man. Not to mention, we're getting wacky things like Kefka > Zack and Cid, so yeah. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/17/2010 6:16:20 PM | message detail |
Incidentally.......using
Link/Luigi and either of the Link/Mario matches last year, and setting
Luigi = Bowser predicts this match just about perfectly. --- 2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth. All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled! |
creativename | Posted 3/17/2010 6:16:22 PM | message detail |
I'm not sold on Boba. He could be strong, but he's got a wide range. It's certainly possible he'd be stronger than Luke, but I wouldn't favor him in such a matchup. Nor do I think he's in any way necessary to make the field. Vader, Yoda, Han, and maybe Luke are enough from Star Wars - this would be a super-packed field and very hard to get into remember. By far the hardest field ever, because we're basically doubling the number of strong entrants we could have. Perhaps more than doubling, since fictional characters might be a deeper field than game characters - although that's not certain, it seems logical. Vader/Yoda/Han are absolute musts for any field though. Vader's a gimme but it's actually possible Han misses the cut due to competition from the franchise. I think Yoda would be safe though, nomination wise. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:16:47 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #250 I mean, you have seen the stats this result gives us, haven't you? --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:17:04 PM | message detail |
Boba
Fett is beloved by the hardcore Star Wars fanbase, but that's it.
Someone who's casually watched the movies will have no idea who he is. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:17:16 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #253 Sora/Mega Man 2006 predicts this match nearly perfectly as well! --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:18:29 PM | message detail |
Man
all I know is that I consider Charizard's floor to currently be 43% on
Mario and that's way better than I ever could have dreamed before the
start of the contest! --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 3/17/2010 6:18:31 PM | message detail |
From: creativename | Posted: 3/17/2010 9:16:22 PM | #254 This really shows we need to ask Bacon if he's got another contest in store this year. Just thinking of the possibilities this post insinuates makes me giddy. --- Placeholder anti-capslock sig. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:19:07 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #258 I think you're still dreaming just a little. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
RPGuy96 | Posted 3/17/2010 6:19:17 PM | message detail |
33.15 Duke Nukem 32.93 Miles 'Tails' Prower 32.17 Kefka 31.91 Zack Fair 30.88 Frog 30.77 Cid Highwind There's really no way to say that makes sense. --- Mustache...and Green... |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/17/2010 6:19:25 PM | message detail |
Well,
Bowser being around 42% on Mario isn't the big issue. I'd say it'd be
more like Kratos being worth 42% on Mario and presumably 45%+ on Mega
Man (if you believe there was any sort of Mario/Mega Man SFF, and I
don't really think there's a compelling argument for it), which would
still imply Charizard >= Mega Man. Not to mention, we're getting wacky things like Kefka > Zack and Cid, so yeah. Well, I think anyone can agree that Charizard has boosted since the Kratos match, from HG/SS. But there's no need for him to have caught a bandwagon since the Bowser match. Zack and Cid being so low is the fault of, and evidence for, Mario/Megaman SFF. --- 2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth. All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:20:16 PM | message detail |
From: RPGuy96 | #261 That's what happens when MM performs at 2k3 levels for his first couple rounds and then runs into It's Freaking Mario. Remember how Samus' division looked? Yeah. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:20:53 PM | message detail |
Zack and Cid being so low is the fault of, and evidence for, Mario/Megaman SFF. I dunno if I necessarily agree with that. And we saw Charizard's board vote, didn't we? Mario normally crushes the board vote, and Charizard lost the board vote to Bowser. He's got at least somewhat of a bandwagon effect going on here. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/17/2010 6:20:54 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #246 As a pretty big Star Wars fan, I very much doubt this. Teen Ani at least wields a lightsaber and had some acrobatic battles. Child Ani was just a disaster (an even bigger one). --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:21:12 PM | message detail |
Zard's not overperforming by more than 3% at the most. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
Hvv0l24n9 | Posted 3/17/2010 6:21:27 PM | message detail |
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z205/FRANKUS_FENIX/anakin-skywalker.jpg vs. http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/wrlds/strwrs/pr/img/orig/Episode_4_Luke_Skywalker_1.jpg Better chance? --- PSN: Iquan_5 XBL: Vash Iquan Hey...would you say I became a hero? |
creativename | Posted 3/17/2010 6:22:05 PM | message detail |
From: TheKoolAidShoto | #1209 Yeah, since the nominations would all be for "Darth Vader", I'd say the only pics that should actually qualify would be either OT Vader, or Anakin at the end of Revenge of the Sith with the yellow eyes and hood, after he officially becomes Vader. The pic of him with the Sith eyes and the hood standing over lava on the bridge would be the only acceptable Anakin pic to me. I don't think that pic would handicap him much - although suit Vader is preferable. From: LeonhartFour | #1252 No one will trust the raw stats for jack in just about any of these divisions. And any adjustments we do will be fairly arbitrary. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/17/2010 6:22:11 PM | message detail |
Charizard
got no more bandwagon here than Sonic got against Link last night. Link
went from 50% 100 votes in to 68%+ at the freeze.....Mario didn't even
rise all that much today. --- 2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth. All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:22:16 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #266 Yeah, and Magus was only overperforming on Link by no more than 3%, too. I mean, how can you even say that anyway? There's no way of knowing. 55% on Kratos doesn't scream 43% on Mario to me. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:23:18 PM | message detail |
And
the problem with basing ANYTHING off of Charizard is that all but 1 of
his matches are wonky. Duke had a night match and a huge pic advantage,
Kratos had GoWIII slurpie hype fueling him, HGSS released on the day of
his Bowser match, and now he's probably getting a little bandwagon
effect against Mario. Ironically, his most 'legitimate' result is against...L-Block! --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:24:02 PM | message detail |
Did you really just compare Magus to this situation? Really? --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:24:38 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #272 I'm just saying. You're throwing out a random "Oh no more than 3%" as if you have any basis for it. I could easily say the same thing about Magus. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:24:41 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #270 What about 55% on Bowser who got 55% on Sora? --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/17/2010 6:24:53 PM | message detail |
Gut feeling tells me that L-Block's result puts him at around Luigi's level, maybe a smidgen higher. --- Yoblazer: http://i32.tinypic.com/zlf1w7.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 3/17/2010 6:25:15 PM | message detail |
From: Hvv0l24n9 | #267 Easily Luke. People hate Anakin, I always assumed people separated Anakin from Vader. --- Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:25:16 PM | message detail |
And all this tells me that Charizard is just going to be massively overestimated next year by a lot of people. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/17/2010 6:25:26 PM | message detail |
So we're going to get Kratos > Bowser > Mega Man in the x-stats? LOL |
creativename | Posted 3/17/2010 6:25:59 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #1302 HG/SS? I really doubt any boost from that would be anything more than mild. This is pure bandwagon hype right here. I think Mega was almost certainly SFFed, by at least 2 points, and I think it's more like 4-5. I also think Zard is overperforming here by a few points, but I'm not sure how much. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/17/2010 6:26:08 PM | message detail |
You
can say 55% on Kratos, but you can also say 59% on Sora. A guy that
gets 59% on Sora is quite capable of what Charizard's doing today. If
Kratos > Sora is unreasonable, then the problem lies in
Charizard/Bowser, not today. And there's a very easy explanation- HG/SS. --- 2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth. All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:26:09 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #274 I don't think Kratos is equal to Bowser either. Probably more like Sora. There's where the problem lies. I'm not taking Kratos > Bowser even after GoW3. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:26:20 PM | message detail |
Luigi outperformed Sonic on Link! I can live with that! >_> --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:27:21 PM | message detail |
then the problem lies in Charizard/Bowser, not today. Or both. If something happened in Charizard/Bowser, there's really no reason for it not to carry over to this match and to expand even larger. I don't know why people are even trying to validate this performance in any way. But then again, I guess people tried to validate Kirby > Sonic in 2008. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:27:35 PM | message detail |
Are people really doubting that MM got SFFd hard? --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
paulg235 | Posted 3/17/2010 6:27:43 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #277 Yeah, I won't be surprised if he lost to Pikachu next year or even to Luigi in Round 2. The pokemon's no Magus, but it'll probably go out similar to Zack in the next contest. --- The Gamer In Me "paulg is a genius." - MajinZidane |
Hvv0l24n9 | Posted 3/17/2010 6:28:00 PM | message detail |
Boba
Fett is beloved by the hardcore Star Wars fanbase, but that's it.
Someone who's casually watched the movies will have no idea who he is. I'm not even into Star Wars(the only ones I've ever watched are the newer ones*flame shield*), but I know who he is... --- PSN: Iquan_5 XBL: Vash Iquan Hey...would you say I became a hero? |
creativename | Posted 3/17/2010 6:28:21 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #1354 IMO Zard had already boosted some then. I seriously doubt many here take Kratos=Bowser. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/17/2010 6:28:26 PM | message detail |
Huh,
the votals here are a couple thousand behind Seph/Tifa, which has gotta
have way more overlap than this. I wonder if St. Patty's Day is doing
anything (doubt it sincerely). --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:28:30 PM | message detail |
From: KamikazePotato | #284 Hard? Maybe he gets 45-47% indirectly. I don't really think he's Mario's equal. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:29:15 PM | message detail |
Charizard
has several reasons to underperform in the Kratos match (day match,
GoWIII hype) and several to overperform in the Bowser match (day match,
HGSS). You know, for someone who's been laughing at how bad the stats look, you aren't really taking all the little extenuating factors into consideration. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:29:25 PM | message detail |
Oh, and saying "Mario SFF'd Mega Man" isn't going to fix all the wacky stuff the stats are giving us as a result of this match. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:30:21 PM | message detail |
(day match We saw who won the ASV handily that match, right? It wasn't Kratos. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/17/2010 6:30:42 PM | message detail |
Going
from 51-54% to 58% is pretty heavy SFF, heavy considering how close
they were to start, anyway. Mario/Megaman messes up the stats way more
than today's match does. The thing I'm surprised about today is that
Charizard isn't getting SFF'd. --- 2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth. All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:31:41 PM | message detail |
Day
match does nothing but help Kratos. It really doesn't matter who won
the ASV - Charizard has a decentish night while Kratos has a TERRIBLE
night vote. Kratos is like Sora - he performs far better in the second
half of the poll then the first. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:31:43 PM | message detail |
Yeah, if Mega Man gets 46-49% on Mario, that'd be decent SFF. I think 46% is more of his ceiling than his floor though. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/17/2010 6:32:15 PM | message detail |
Charizard has a decentish night What? No, he doesn't. Pokemon has a terrible night vote, just like most everything else Nintendo. --- Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created. |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:32:41 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #292 Have we ever seen cases of Pokemon getting SFFd more than a little bit? Pre-2007 doesn't count. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
red sox 777 | Posted 3/17/2010 6:34:54 PM | message detail |
What
characters remain out of place, after accounting for Mario/MM SFF and
Charizard boosting last round, exactly? I'm open to the idea that
Charizard is overperforming today above and beyond what he did last
round, but I don't see anything that pops out as ultra strange if he's
equal to his last round self. I doubt it's more than a couple percent. --- 2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth. All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/17/2010 6:34:57 PM | message detail |
Pokemon's
night vote isn't terrible. It's bad, but it's better than Mario's and
Zelda's, and it's definitely better than Kratos'. Especially due to the
Power Hour, which Kratos bombs. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSUvrXRc4 |
EternalxCourage | Posted 3/17/2010 6:35:01 PM | message detail |
I just realized something... ...this whole theory of anti-voting. It doesn't exist. It's an excuse and nothing more. The whole idea of anti-votes in a popularity contest with two or more choices is ridiculous at best. Now, if this was a +1 -1 tournament, or something, that would be different. But you can't anti-vote in this contest. o.O --- The ultimate Snow fanboy - Curt Yeah...it probably is. But I've got to do something, right? |
