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Hey I don't usually agree with that Nintendo theory either but in this case I'm inclined to side with Ulti

Because I'll do anything to make Pikachu look worse after he ends up #10 or something stupid in the stats AUGH
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You don't even have to go to the "Nintendo fanbase sharing" theory to invalidate that Pikachu match though.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

Solid **** versus Sprite Pikachu was a perfect storm.
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Sigh. Tifa vs Seph? *votes for Tifa* So stats guys what's u-

OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN HOW IS SHE DOING SO WELL?

This is awesome.

Now, with me it goes Tifa>Aerith, but I still don't really like Tifa. She didn't MEAN to lie and stuff, but the way she left Cloud out despite him being an actually nice person when they were kids...Eh.

Aerith on the other hand...

"Was it serious?"
[Cloud, asking about ZACK]
"No, nothing serious"

Crisis Core made Aerith look like a ***** for saying that.
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From: UltimaterializerX | #198
I'm sure in 13 years, people will discuss FF13 like commonplace and know exactly what to avoid.

-ff7 spoilers-


People aren't avoiding the fact that Cloud isn't who he says he was by saying the reasons they don't like Tifa, which is one of the major plot points and spoilers of the entire game. So its not like they're "Avoiding" anything just because they're not going for the biggest spoiler.


-end ff7 spoilers-
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I don't get how it's a "theory" at this point. You can safely toss fourways aside (as you always should) and the correlation becomes really easy.
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Is a momentary gleam all you need?

"Tifa lies by omission during the Kalm flashback" is not a spoiler, nor is "something really bad happens at the end of disc 1".
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From: UltimaterializerX | #207
I don't get how it's a "theory" at this point. You can safely toss fourways aside (as you always should) and the correlation becomes really easy.

Basically all you have is Snake/Samus (and the only reason we would even consider it "SFF" is because that match didn't go the way we thought it should based on that year's contest, but for whatever the reason, we thought Samus/Zelda was legitimate or something), and the idea that Samus SFFs ANYTHING, much less Solid Snake, is laughable.

Look at Samus/Sonic 2004 and Snake/Sonic 2006, and Samus wins by about the same margin she ended up winning that match by. No need to throw SFF into that anywhere.
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SPOILERS

Okay, and how is she not such? Cloud gives this massive diatribe in Disc 1 (Kalm flashback). Tifa could quite easily go "uh, what are you talking about? It was nothing like that" and never does. She pretends her and Cloud are childhood friends when in reality she never spoke with him even once and spurned him for the cool kids. And worst of all, she turns into Generic JRPG Heroine in Disc 2. "NOTHING BAD CAN HAPPEN WHEN YOU'RE WITH ME, CLOUD/CECIL/SQUALL/LLOYD/ZACK/CRONO/LOCKE/SORA/ALEX/HIRO/ZIDANE/TIDUS/WHOEVER!". There are two types of girl I cannot stand: manipulative, lying whore and needy clinger types. Tifa is the worst of both worlds all in one character. She is not deep, helpful or even the least bit useful, and people only defend her because of her character design.

Alright I don't like to bite semi-trolling -- but I will just because there are two sides to every coin. I personally like Tifa as a character, and not for her 'assets'. It's a video game folks.

First and foremost, if some kid is talking about their parents and their childhood, and you know they are adopted, are you going to point it out to them even though they do not? Cloud is clearly mentally screwed up from the point that he is telling that story -- Tifa knows this and she makes a judgement call. People do that all the time. It's not just that simple to tell someone everything they believe about their past isn't true.

Secondly, there was always 'something' there. She never snubbed him -- he was always too shy to approach her BECAUSE she was hanging out with kids that picked on him. Not because she herself had any disdain for him. It was two worlds and he didn't have the courage, until the day at the well, to approach her. They also went up the mountain together, and that was because everyone else was afraid to go up after her. The bond was created early between them with flashbacks. The onus can't be just on her to step out of her group of friends and approach him as a friend. It wasn't anyone's fault at that point. But he did make her a promise -- and she did show up at the well. That counts for something important, and intagible.

Third - she sticks by him after he falls into the lifestream to help him come back to who he really is. She refuses to leave his side, again, because of that something intangible the two share. She doesn't become clingy -- she just feels as though part of his going crazy is her fault. So yes, she sticks by him somewhat out of guilt, but also because she cares deeply for him already at that point.

Finally she is a strong character and it is shown at many points in the game how independant she can be (Don Corneo's for example, plus she owns her own bar and is part of AVALANCHE assisting in operations and taking care of Barret's child no less).

As a character Tifa is as deep and fleshed out as they come. I would actually argue the opposite of popular opinion that she is only liked for her assets in thinking that maybe, just maybe, the only reason she gets disliked is because of her assets. It's a convenient thing to blame for disliking her when -- in reality, as I mentioned above -- as a character alone she stands quite tall.
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The ultimate Snow fanboy - Curt
Yeah...it probably is. But I've got to do something, right?

Uh, except Brawl happened in between there.
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There's too few data points and the points we do have are corrupted, though. Snake/Yoshi is sprite round, just like Snake/Pikachu. That leaves Snake/Samus and Snake/Fox. Snake v Samus is the one data point we have where Snake underperformed significantly relative to the immediate expectations. In Snake/Fox, while he started off slow, he ended up getting the doubling with some room to spare. I find that hard to call an underperformance considering how well Fox has done since returning.
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I don't get how it's a "theory" at this point. You can safely toss fourways aside (as you always should) and the correlation becomes really easy.

There's definitely an observed correlation there, yeah. Yoshi, Samus, and Pikachu- of course the thing is 2 of those were in the sprite round, which makes it inconclusive.
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All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled!

From: UltimaterializerX | #211
Uh, except Brawl happened in between there.

Not for Sonic yet. Sonic shouldn't be affected by anything there.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

Alright now back to the contest -- Snake doesn't have a chance against Seph in the night or day, and especially not in a 24 hour match where Seph's anti-votes would be diluted to almost meaning nothing.

Tifa has legitimately always held up against tough opposition when she has come up against it. Assuming that she ends close to what she is here -- that's pretty much the same thing she was meant to get against Samus after her performance in 05 isn't it? I think she's just one of those characters that never really blows out the weaker characters -- but has a solid enough fanbase that she shows up for the big matches.

I think this match also supports my theory that Tifa is the strongest non-n9 character (and she would most likely beat Crono at this point, as I would favor Vincent and Squall over him aswell).
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The ultimate Snow fanboy - Curt
Yeah...it probably is. But I've got to do something, right?

I don't get how it's a "theory" at this point. You can safely toss fourways aside (as you always should) and the correlation becomes really easy.

Correlation =/= causation, especially when we have two matches to go one.
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and especially not in a 24 hour match where Seph's anti-votes would be diluted to almost meaning nothing.

Good thing it's only a 12 hour match then!

Which is part of the reason that I think, although Snake may be able to beat Sephiroth for 12, he won't be able to beat Cloud for 24, but we'll see.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

...well maybe we'll finally get our conclusive evidence when Samus v Snake II happens this year! Not ruling it out
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From: EternalxCourage | #210
First and foremost, if some kid is talking about their parents and their childhood, and you know they are adopted, are you going to point it out to them even though they do not?

If that kid is old enough to understand what adoption means, then I'm yelling at that kid's parents to spill the beans before I do it myself. Not telling a kid he/she is adopted is one of the lowest of the low, and is a gigantic sore spot with me.

And I totally forgot about Tifa being bar trash on top of everything else, thanks for reminding me.
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lol at Samus SFF anything let alone Snake.

Nintendo fans are not stubborn to vote only Nintendo characters over Snake. Some fans actually liked him in Brawl.
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Character Battle VIII - 197/240 - Today's Winners: Solid Snake and Sephiroth

(looks at poll results)

Hey Palmer, you might just win this yet!!

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Let's see how things are going...

*Votes Sephiroth, checks results*

What a truly disgusting result.

Well, at least Tifa's a confirmed top 10 character, now.

Snake > Sephiroth confirmed.
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Why can't Samus SFF anything? Because she got SFF'd by Mario?
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2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth.
All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled!

Back to the Tifa discussion, though; I think she now beats Vincent, and maybe even Squall. Sure, this may be some Seph anti voting (what match doesn't have it?), but the fact is, Tifa is doing significantly better against Seph then Vincent himself did, and in a day match to boot. Theres really no argument to be made for Vincent > Tifa now... and going by that, theres no reason to think Tifa shouldn't be able to beat Squall and Crono as well. Its too bad we've never been able to see her true strength since 2006, sicne she's always been stuck behind LFF or didnt even make the contest, but this is too much to try to deny now. She's totally legit.
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then I'm yelling at that kid's parents to spill the beans before I do it myself.

I would really hope that you wouldn't be dumb enough to tell a kid he/she is adopted if his/her parents haven't.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

From: red sox 777 | #223
Why can't Samus SFF anything? Because she got SFF'd by Mario?

Because she hasn't SFF'd anything, more like.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

I'm glad you addressed my whole post. I forgot what you were like when you were trolling. I just wanted to post that anyway -- I left my 2 cents on the table already.

Snake isn't going to beat Seph in a 12 hour match either. I'm sorry. It's just not going to happen.

I forgot about Tifa vs. Sonic before, but at this point that looks like an anomaly compared to what she's done most recently (and it was before most of her big boosts).
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The ultimate Snow fanboy - Curt
Yeah...it probably is. But I've got to do something, right?

For what it's worth, Curt makes a great point about Tifa in contests. How does someone this strong routinely fail to crush weaker characters? The only one I can remember is Vyse.
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Why can't Samus SFF anything? Because she got SFF'd by Mario?

What does Mario have to do with Samus' SFF abilities?

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Character Battle VIII - 197/240 - Today's Winners: Solid Snake and Sephiroth

From: LeonhartFour | #225
then I'm yelling at that kid's parents to spill the beans before I do it myself.

I would really hope that you wouldn't be dumb enough to tell a kid he/she is adopted if his/her parents haven't.

No, I just say that to scare the parents. It always works, too.
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Tifa got the 3rd biggest blowout of this contest against Yuri.

She crushed Ivy and The Boss pretty good, too.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

Also, of Yoshi/Samus/Pikachu, two of those were before SSBB/MGS4 came out...we don't know precisely how that affects any comparison of lost Nintendo-support if it even happened. Seeing how Solid looked fine in 2008 during polls with Mewtwo, Kirby, and Link, I don't think he really loses his SSBB-support anymore. It's debatable back when he was in hype-mode (I think his hype disappeared to Samus and Yoshi, personally, especially to Yoshi thanks to the pic), but nowadays we've not seen anything close to conclusive about him losing Nintendo-support since Pikachu faced Solid ****.
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That's what I'm asking! I don't get why people think that Samus can't SFF anything.
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2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth.
All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled!

I'm not trolling at all, Tifa is the type of person I legitimately don't like.
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From: red sox 777 | #233
That's what I'm asking! I don't get why people think that Samus can't SFF anything.

Give me a clear example where she has. It's not like it makes her weak or anything. We've already seen twice this contest that Sephiroth has a hard time laying the SFF hammer down, even on people from his own game.
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Even with Samus' lack of SFF power, I could see her SFFing Snake in the 2k6 finals. She gets so much strength from Smash, and Snake's boost was due to a mere announcement in SSB. That makes sense.

However, after 2008, Snake actually was playable in Brawl. He's quite good. People play as him a lot, I hear! No way does Samus sap his support as thoroughly as last time - SFF doesn't work like that.
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Like I said -- I don't think that she gets a lot of casual support. I think her fanbase is almost solely harcore based, and FF based, so to some degree I think there's a portion of votes that she won't ever get. Anti-voting is also a possibility, but against big name opponents that gets cancelled out because the people that dislike Tifa for her 'assets' or her characterization are probably the same people that would already vote against her in the big matches. Thus why she would look strong against the strongest characters and weaker against the weaker characters. Similar to what Cloud was doing this year.
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The ultimate Snow fanboy - Curt
Yeah...it probably is. But I've got to do something, right?

Hmph true Nintendo fanboys abstain this match because they were too busy playing the No-RPG64.
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Should I start running now?

True Nintendo fanboys are so obsessed with Square they're trying to figure out who to vote for to best guarantee Link wins again.
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2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth.
All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled!

That's what I'm asking! I don't get why people think that Samus can't SFF anything.

She didn't SFF Isaac (debatable), Ganondorf, Nidoran F, Pikachu, Yoshi, Zelda or Midna
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Character Battle VIII - 197/240 - Today's Winners: Solid Snake and Sephiroth

Kind of surprised Tifa is doing so well
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Anti-blowout FAQs non-conformist factor, in my opinion.
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Should I start running now?

Tifa doesn't get "boosts". She gets really advantageous situations that she can play into. She's the benefit of anti-votes here and she was the benefit of a pic factor in 2006. There is no "overperforming on Elites" factor at work.

People this year have really not been able to see the forest for the trees, and are going to be really shocked next time we have a character contest, and all of the factors this year that should be obvious and staring us in the face come to light.
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Samus would beat both of these dweebs
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Still not at 55%? Goodness me.
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At this point we just have to pray the voters vote Snake to be different and nonconformist as well.

And to conveniently forget that Snake has been the cause of humiliating Sephiroth in both the years that they faced off. <_<
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From: Karma Hunter | #246
At this point we just have to pray the voters vote Snake to be different and nonconformist as well.

And to conveniently forget that Snake has been the cause of humiliating Sephiroth in both the years that they faced off. <_<

Voters have short-term memory, don't worry.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

CLOUD ALWAYS WINS ARGH
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From: PartOfYourWorld | #245
Still not at 55%? Goodness me.

Its been stabalized at mid 54s for a while for Seph... at this rate, he might not even get to 55%. Even NA is slightly favoring Tifa, though I do expect Seph to do a bit better with the ASV due to his role in Kingdom Hearts.
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Someone should submit a final picture with the years, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2008 listed on Link's side and 2003 listed on Cloud's side.
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2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth.
All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled!