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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 878

UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/13/2010 8:09:34 PM | message detail
Minor first post update, to the near-elite list. Let me know if you want anyone added or removed.



~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Poll Start Times*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Battle_8_Poll_Start_Times

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Solid Snake, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Vincent, Kirby, Missingno, et al group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters recently.

The Fodder Line - A final X-Stat value of 15% or below.

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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shadow8021 | Posted 3/13/2010 8:43:34 PM | message detail
Add Tifa.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/13/2010 8:44:16 PM | message detail
I'd include Tifa on that list, personally.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/13/2010 8:46:02 PM | message detail
Yeah Tifa is stronger than Auron and Kirby at the very least.
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Haguile | Posted 3/13/2010 8:46:49 PM | message detail
Missingno being a "near Elite" despite beating a noble niner is just...eh...
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/13/2010 8:47:43 PM | message detail

From: Haguile | #005
Missingno being a "near Elite" despite beating a noble niner is just...eh...




et al group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters recently.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/13/2010 8:47:45 PM | message detail
You can't put Missingno in another category though. Vincent's in the same boat.
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vcharon | Posted 3/13/2010 8:49:21 PM | message detail
Yeah, not sure why Tifa was excluded from that.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/13/2010 8:49:42 PM | message detail
MissingNo is a joke character anyway he shouldn't be listed at all.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/13/2010 8:50:41 PM | message detail
Missingno was the first character to break the Noble Nine 1-on-1. No reason not to include it.
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TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/13/2010 8:50:45 PM | message detail
Add MissingNo. in parentheses among the Noble Niners, at least for one match. He deserves it.
vcharon | Posted 3/13/2010 8:52:34 PM | message detail
No... then it isn't the Noble Nine.
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LOLContests | Posted 3/13/2010 8:53:23 PM | message detail
I'm not a big fan of including the Near Elites at all, tbqh. It's too variable over the years to say with any certainty who they are, since unlike the Noble Nine it's based more on extrapolated strength than any other factor.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/13/2010 8:54:23 PM | message detail
It's just for the sake of defining terminology. I suppose we'll be including Lightning in that list next year...!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/13/2010 8:54:28 PM | message detail

From: vcharon | #008
Yeah, not sure why Tifa was excluded from that.


2006 was a long time ago, and she came close to Samus because of a complete fluke match picture. Same reason I dismissed Snake/Bowser and took Bowser off.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/13/2010 8:54:54 PM | message detail
2006 was a long time ago, and she came close to Samus because of a complete fluke match picture. Same reason I dismissed Snake/Bowser and took Bowser off.

So, uhh...

Why is Kirby on there then?
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Haguile | Posted 3/13/2010 8:55:13 PM | message detail


et al group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters recently.


I read that. It's the name that sounds weird.
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vcharon | Posted 3/13/2010 8:55:46 PM | message detail
Tifa has still looked pretty strong since then, arguably better than 2006. Bowser has clearly not looked strong in 4 ways.

Anyway, if she can match or even beat Vincent's percentage on Sephiroth it'll be enough to settle the debate (read: not really). It'll be good enough for now though.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/13/2010 8:56:29 PM | message detail
Tifa definitely deserves to be on there (and far more than Kirby).
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2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth.
All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled!
shadow8021 | Posted 3/13/2010 8:57:44 PM | message detail
"2006 was a long time ago, and she came close to Samus because of a complete fluke match picture. Same reason I dismissed Snake/Bowser and took Bowser off."

Even without the match picture, she would probably still get a good percentage on Samus. Even today, I could see her giving Crono and Sonic some fits.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/13/2010 9:02:53 PM | message detail
Just like to be the first in this topic to...

lol Mega Man.
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Achromatic | Posted 3/13/2010 9:03:11 PM | message detail
Mario is smashing his face in good lord.
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TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/13/2010 9:07:39 PM | message detail
I understand it's only nine. That's why I said put it in parentheses. "Near"-elite is ridiculous for someone who put up 47% on Sephiroth. That's top of the line elite, at least to me.
Kyle Bowen | Posted 3/13/2010 9:08:13 PM | message detail
Ryu?

And whats the opinion on Bowser vs. Charizard?

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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/13/2010 9:10:09 PM | message detail
MissingNo is a ****ing joke. Stop talking about him like he'll remain a constant near-elite ever again.
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 3/13/2010 9:10:10 PM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
186----2------------100.00
185----1------------100.00
184----1------------100.00
183----3------------100.00
182----2------------100.00
181----4------------100.00
180----5------------100.00
179----3------------100.00
178----12----------83.33
177----9------------77.78
176----12----------66.67
175----22----------77.27
174----23----------82.61
173----34----------79.41
172----38----------76.32
171----27----------85.19
170----51----------82.35
169----43----------88.37
168----47----------85.11
167----55----------89.09
166----58----------81.03
165----53----------77.36
164----61----------83.61
163----50----------82.00
162----55----------70.91
161----60----------83.33
160----73----------72.60
159----85----------67.06
158----77----------71.43
157----107--------71.96
156----98----------67.35
155----97----------65.98
154----118--------67.80
153----132--------69.70
152----146--------64.38
151----145--------68.28
150----174--------63.79
149----194--------64.95
148----241--------61.41
147----221--------59.73
146----244--------62.30
145----225--------59.11
144----303--------57.43
143----317--------61.51
142----324--------56.48
141----373--------52.55
140----371--------52.83
139----399--------58.90
138----389--------52.44
137----452--------49.34
136----400--------47.00
135----423--------45.86
134----465--------47.74
133----469--------46.70
132----463--------44.92
131----437--------44.16
130----436--------43.58
129----488--------39.96
128----455--------38.24
127----477--------41.30
126----442--------35.52
125----453--------31.57
124----444--------29.50
123----450--------30.44
122----432--------27.31
121----423--------29.55
120----436--------24.77
119----378--------19.31
118----370--------24.59
117----358--------23.74
116----343--------25.95
115----371--------20.75
114----353--------20.11
113----345--------20.00
112----317--------20.19
111----310--------16.45
110----319--------15.05
109----308--------14.94
108----271--------15.13
107----318--------13.52
106----265--------16.98
105----234--------14.10
104----242--------11.98
103----213--------10.33
102----251--------14.74
101----221--------11.31
100----212--------9.43
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 3/13/2010 9:10:16 PM | message detail
99------217--------10.60
98------242--------8.26
97------197--------8.63
96------210--------6.67
95------215--------7.44
94------223--------8.07
93------199--------7.04
92------192--------5.73
91------162--------8.02
90------181--------6.08
89------176--------6.82
88------171--------8.19
87------161--------6.83
86------161--------6.83
85------164--------1.83
84------141--------6.38
83------142--------4.93
82------160--------5.63
81------133--------9.02
80------135--------2.96
79------120--------4.17
78------143--------4.90
77------124--------3.23
76------104--------5.77
75------121--------2.48
74------115--------1.74
73------114--------2.63
72------120--------8.33
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70------82----------3.66
69------82----------4.88
68------73----------1.37
67------75----------2.67
66------69----------1.45
65------58----------3.45
64------58----------1.72
63------59----------1.69
62------50----------4.00
61------42----------2.38
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59------39----------2.56
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57------29----------3.45
56------20----------5.00
55------29----------3.45
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39------5------------20.00
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33------3------------33.33
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31------6------------16.67
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22------4------------25.00
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20------5------------20.00

Omitted scores got it wrong.

Overall prediction percentage didn't fall too much from Sonic's Round 3 performance. The top 8 tiers went perfect but after that the prediction percentage falls into the 80s and never really goes up into the 90s. From around 160 and lower, the prediction percentage starts to fall off until it fades away.

8 people fell off the Top 50. Elkfryn_Demtor, frodragon, WhatTheDarn, Kamekguy, blitler, The_Wanderer123, Arvisk_Dremdaw and Jman_gamerX8 did not have Sonic winning the match.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/13/2010 9:11:17 PM | message detail
Also what did I say about Mario winning the board vote seriously why must B8 suck so bad sometimes

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charmander6000 | Posted 3/13/2010 9:11:38 PM | message detail
Mega Man won't like the dead zone

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3844&region=GB
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Character Battle VIII - 173/208 - Today's Winners: Mario and Sora
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/13/2010 9:11:43 PM | message detail
I think Sonic would be lucky to be at 40% in this match himself.
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vcharon | Posted 3/13/2010 9:12:05 PM | message detail
Not much of a percentage drop off. I'm unsure who looks better overnight... I suppose it would be Mega Man but there's no way he doesn't end up looking pretty bad at this point.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/13/2010 9:12:27 PM | message detail
Mario has a top of the line board vote. He's won it over Crono every time they've met (actually, not sure about 2008, but he probably won it that year too).
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2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth.
All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled!
RPGuy96 | Posted 3/13/2010 9:13:19 PM | message detail
Mega Man's a first three hour guy. He's gonna get killed in the dead zone and beat up bad in the morning.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/13/2010 9:13:48 PM | message detail
Tag

And I never understood this Mega Man > Mario hype either.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/13/2010 9:13:55 PM | message detail

From: RPGuy96 | #034
Mega Man's a first three hour guy. He's gonna get killed in the dead zone and beat up bad in the morning.


So there's a chance we get Big Boss > Mega Man yet!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/13/2010 9:13:58 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #028
Also what did I say about Mario winning the board vote seriously why must B8 suck so bad sometimes


What is with you, dude? You got your own hopes up with this ridiculous upset. Why would Mega Man beat Mario when Mario's games can 80/20 anything Mega Man has to offer? At least Samus has her design and some different fans to bring to the table. Mega Man is literally lucky to do this well. I can't think of anyone else who has built such strength on such weak games. Dante and Kratos aren't even close to what MM has accomplished. Good for him, but he ain't beating characters like Mario.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/13/2010 9:14:03 PM | message detail
Really? Do you not remember Shadow vs. Mario? Sonic vs. Mario would be a very close match just based on the history of their competition outside of this contest. It would make Sonic look incredibly good.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/13/2010 9:14:27 PM | message detail

From: EternalxCourage | #038
Really? Do you not remember Shadow vs. Mario? Sonic vs. Mario would be a very close match just based on the history of their competition outside of this contest. It would make Sonic look incredibly good.


LOL 2003
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/13/2010 9:15:00 PM | message detail
2003 = Good taste zone
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2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth.
All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled!
charmander6000 | Posted 3/13/2010 9:15:05 PM | message detail
Top 10 Changes

Top 10 Most Popular Night Polls
1. Sephiroth vs. Missingno – 66731
2. Link vs. Thrall (R1) – 60599
3. Link vs. Alucard (R2) – 59971
4. Pokemon Trainer Red vs. Revolver Ocelot (R1) – 58208
5. Link vs. Luigi (R4) – 57731
6. Mario vs. Big Boss (R2) – 57211
7. Cloud Strife vs. Chris Redfield (R2) – 56563
8. Charizard vs. Duke Nukem (R1) – 56465
9. Leon Kennedy vs. Vault Boy (R1) – 55924
10. Cloud Strife vs. Ridley (R1) – 55398


Top 10 Highest Individual Night Votes
1. Link (R1) – 48367
2. Mario (R1) – 44525
3. Link (R2) – 43055
4. Tifa Lockheart (R1) – 41679
5. Link (R4) – 41062
6. Cloud Strife (R2) – 40719
7. Samus Aran (R1) – 39941
8. Cloud Strife (R1) – 39732
9. Sephiroth (R1) – 39295
10. Weighted Companion Cube (R1) – 38427

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Character Battle VIII - 173/208 - Today's Winners: Mario and Sora
Master Moltar | Posted 3/13/2010 9:15:22 PM | message detail
Shadow worth 45% on Mario it's still real to me dammit
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TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/13/2010 9:15:49 PM | message detail
Curt, do you not understand that MissingNo. got almost 43% on Sephiroth in his worst hour, during the FFVII Total Domination Zone? Do you not realize how strong that is? There were no rallies going on there. His natural strength is being indirectly maybe the 4th strongest character we have.
(I say indirectly because I think Yoshi proved that MissingNo. is incredibly susceptible to Nintendo LFF.
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/13/2010 9:16:14 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #040
2003 = Good taste zone


Hey, 2003 is still my favorite contest of all-time, so no arguments from me!
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/13/2010 9:16:17 PM | message detail
And the worst part of this match is that people will be gloating over it for 5 years, based on how Mario/Samus went.
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2010 Extrapolated Standings: Crono gets 46.85% on Sephiroth.
All you need now is KH3 or SSB4, Crono. Then your quest shall be fulfilled!
Karma Hunter | Posted 3/13/2010 9:16:17 PM | message detail
Also, this "Mario characters looking good" thing... I don't buy it. They've had matches set up to make them look good, with one exception (Link v Luigi, and he didn't look so great anyway). And they've disappointed relative to a handful of expectations.

I guess this is just me putting this out there for a total shutdown if it goes wrong: I will be absolutely, 100% SHOCKED if Charizard does not throttle Bowser.

...just a gut feeling.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/13/2010 9:16:31 PM | message detail
Still butthurt over Mario Kart, eh?

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Dark_Spiral | Posted 3/13/2010 9:17:04 PM | message detail
Mario>Link imo
vcharon | Posted 3/13/2010 9:17:08 PM | message detail

From: TheOneAboveAll | #043
Curt, do you not understand that MissingNo. got almost 43% on Sephiroth in his worst hour, during the FFVII Total Domination Zone? Do you not realize how strong that is? There were no rallies going on there. His natural strength is being indirectly maybe the 4th strongest character we have.
(I say indirectly because I think Yoshi proved that MissingNo. is incredibly susceptible to Nintendo LFF.


It's joke strength. It can deflate itself pretty quickly. L-Block went from winning the contest to losing to pokemon that were set it front of it. WCC went from looking upper midcard to barely beating The Boss. Missingno. could (and in my opinion, will) drop off once next contest arrives with a brand new hype train jokester to get behind.
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redrocket | Posted 3/13/2010 9:17:09 PM | message detail
Curt, do you not understand that MissingNo. got almost 43% on Sephiroth in his worst hour, during the FFVII Total Domination Zone? Do you not realize how strong that is? There were no rallies going on there. His natural strength is being indirectly maybe the 4th strongest character we have.
(I say indirectly because I think Yoshi proved that MissingNo. is incredibly susceptible to Nintendo LFF


L-Block should be on the list too then, former champion and all.

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