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I actually had Sonic getting 57% here in my oracle, I still had my doubts about Kirby's legitimacy.
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"Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1

I would have (and still would) take Squall and Vincent over Sonic. Auron would be a closer match
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"Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1

Oh come on. You guys only did it because you knew everyone else would -- it was a safe pick, but most people were talking about how they would be surprised if he made it through the two of them. Most people were only giving him credit against Ganon because of the sprite round.

BT is correct. 2006 stats say Sonic wins with 62%. 2008 stats say Kirby wins with 51%. The 2008 stats are closer.

I think Sonic deserves some credit from this contest. And if you guys really want to go there solid **** Snake 2008 is projected to get 63% on Pikachu. So I don't see how you can argue for Snake in this case. The reality is that he just did really, really bad against Pikachu. It's likely that his hype, and new games have worn off and he's back to being one of the lower tier N9ers. If I had to order it right now I would go...

Link
Cloud
Sephiroth
Mario
Samus
Mega Man
Sonic
Snake
Crono
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

Sorry, Solid **** Snake 2007, not 2008.
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

Whoa now, Snake is clearly a step down from his last 3 years, but there's no way he's losing to Sonic. I think Mega Man would be a good matchup for him.
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"Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1

Sonic got lucky as far as competition goes this division, but it's not like these were terrible guys pit against him after the years he and his crew had in 2007-2008 either. Ganon was once probably our strongest near-elite and Kirby beat him fair and square in our last Character Battle. It's not like his games did that well in BGE2, either. Before this contest started, we didn't have any concise proof Sonic Team sucked in four-ways either; we were still guessing whether Sonic 2006 and his 3D-era were finally catching up to him or if it was the farmat treaming him unkindly. With the most recent information we had, we had plenty of fair reason to fear for Sonic.

It turned out it was the format and not the crew, but we can only treat that as a supported theory now in hindsight; that was not the case before this contest. His opponents were fine and strong enough to get several of us and hype everyone else. Put Squall/Vincent in his division next year and we're fine.
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Picking Auron > Squall was dumb, but not as dumb as thinking I could beat Leonhart!
Keep on smilin'! http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8863/72571365.jpg

55% on Pikachu says it all. I don't care how strong you think he is that's a dud of a performance, especially when it's in Pikachu's worst time (the night) and Snake's best time.

Snake is definitely falling off. If he's even close to Sonic levels now he won't be next year for sure.
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

Fine in what way? Sonic would beat both Squall and Vincent. I'd love for Sonic to have an opportunity to trounce Crono again, and Snake as well.
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

You guys only did it because you knew everyone else would

I always fill out my bracket before I ever look at what the board says, so yeah. I just didn't have enough respect for Sonic's opponents to pick them. Put Squall or Vincent in this division though? I'd have jumped on them in a second, and I'm still not convinced Sonic wins.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

53% on Missingno says it all.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

Different situations obviously, but you guys can hang on to Snake if you want. I think Squall has a better chance of beating Snake than he ever would of beating Sonic.
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

55% on Pikachu says it all. I don't care how strong you think he is that's a dud of a performance, especially when it's in Pikachu's worst time (the night) and Snake's best time.

Snake is definitely falling off. If he's even close to Sonic levels now he won't be next year for sure.

Two words: Pic Factor.
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"Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia

Actually, if we want to compare it to the 2006 stats, Sonic = Pikachu!

So if you're going to take sprite Snake matches seriously, I'm going to take that seriously.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

We'll see where Snake really is when he goes up against Squall. If he loses (or wins narrowly), then he's definitely fallen a long way. I doubt he does, though.

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Currently Playing: Final Fantasy XIII

From: Fayt_Esteed | #212
55% on Pikachu says it all. I don't care how strong you think he is that's a dud of a performance, especially when it's in Pikachu's worst time (the night) and Snake's best time.

Snake is definitely falling off. If he's even close to Sonic levels now he won't be next year for sure.

Two words: Pic Factor.

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k4/sum04b52.jpg
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1769

about all that needs to be said, really.
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Albion Hero is the Cream of Loli fanboyism

And Sonic isn't even going to match Squall's percentage on Kirby?

What a fraud.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

You guys are putting way too much stock in pictures.

Take more recent stats, your precious 4 ways that is, for example. Taking 2007 4 ways you can project that Solid **** beat Kratos 60 - 40. In 2006 Snake was projected to beat Kratos with 66% (Kratos would obviously be stronger this year, but let's give Snake a 5% cushion). This means that you can extrapolate Snake to be valued at about 60 - 40 on Pikachu right now taking away pic factor. Sorry, but that would place him below Mega Man and Sonic in my books. It will put him right around Bowser's strength if Bowser can 55 - 45 Charizard. You know what that means, right? It would mean that either Bowser is a **** ton better this year than ever before...or Snake is back to his 2005 levels (much more likely).
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

Alright so Curt and I came up with this list:

FF7, FFT, Kingdom Hearts 1/2, Kingdom Hearts CoM, Advent Children, Ehrgeiz, Crisis Core, Dissidia, Dirge of Cerberus, Chocobo Racing, Itadaki Street Special

Is there anything missing?
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From: CJaM613 | #217
You guys are putting way too much stock in pictures.

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k4/sum04b52.jpg
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1769

about all that needs to be said, really.
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Albion Hero is the Cream of Loli fanboyism

lol

Just realized Kirby is winning in Canada

Superior taste once again
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"Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1

Why don't you read what I wrote first? CC characters were always over-inflated on this board in the past. That has obviously changed.
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

He's right that Snake's performance was pretty bad. Yoshi only got 42% on a weaker Snake.

However for all we know Pikachu could be stronger, which isn't that much of a stretch considering how well Pokemon have performed in this contest.
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Character Battle VIII - 157/192 - Today's Winners: Link and Sonic

You guys are putting way too much stock in pictures.

Take more recent stats, your precious 4 ways that is, for example. Taking 2007 4 ways you can project that Solid **** beat Kratos 60 - 40. In 2006 Snake was projected to beat Kratos with 66% (Kratos would obviously be stronger this year, but let's give Snake a 5% cushion). This means that you can extrapolate Snake to be valued at about 60 - 40 on Pikachu right now taking away pic factor. Sorry, but that would place him below Mega Man and Sonic in my books. It will put him right around Bowser's strength if Bowser can 55 - 45 Charizard. You know what that means, right? It would mean that either Bowser is a **** ton better this year than ever before...or Snake is back to his 2005 levels (much more likely).

This coming from someone who takes sprite Snake matches seriously. Very funny.
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"Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia

I'm not arguing that Pikachu might not be stronger, but even if Pikachu is stronger this result doesn't place him anywhere near Samus/Mario.
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

From: UltimaterializerX | #218
Alright so Curt and I came up with this list:

FF7, FFT, Kingdom Hearts 1/2, Kingdom Hearts CoM, Advent Children, Ehrgeiz, Crisis Core, Dissidia, Dirge of Cerberus, Chocobo Racing, Itadaki Street Special

Is there anything missing?

Since you're including Advent Children, you should include "Last Order" as well.
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OH YEAH!

I'm not arguing that Pikachu might not be stronger, but even if Pikachu is stronger this result doesn't place him anywhere near Samus/Mario.

Sure it does, Pikachu is just that strong now.
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Character Battle VIII - 157/192 - Today's Winners: Link and Sonic

I mean Pikachu > Charizard right? So that means Pikachu is at least a near-elite which would mean Snake would only get 60/40 on Pikachu, which goes in line with your prediction of the picture.
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Character Battle VIII - 157/192 - Today's Winners: Link and Sonic

For what it's worth, Pikachu is now 3 for 3 in overperforming in Round 3.
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Every night will have a day. Even forever has to come to an end. 2/14/2010 24:00 EST

Third Round Factor confirmed.
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Character Battle VIII - 157/192 - Today's Winners: Link and Sonic

We don't know that Pikachu overperformed yet. Snake can still lose to Squall and then the performance would make sense.

That said, Pikachu is not stronger than Charizard. If anything can be gleaned from what people have been using for their oracle predictions it's that they assume Charizard = Pikachu (I think) if not he is stronger. I would take Charizard > Pikachu tbqh but whatever. I'm using Charizard = Pikachu for the basis of Snake being on his 2005 levels (assuming Bowser wastes the Zard).
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

Solid/Pika at night means Pikachu would have done better at day, sure. That said, Solid **** ensures he's going to perform poorly too. It just means Pika would have taken even more advantage of his weakness in a day-match. You can hardly hold that against Solid Snake.


For kicks, here are the Solid **** x-stats over the years:

Solid **** - 50%
Bowser in 2005 - 49.41% - http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k5/br58.jpg
Frog in 2004 - 48.61% - http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k4/sum04b52.jpg
L-Block in 2007 (R3) - 46.88% - http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb6/cb6-55.jpg
Pikachu in 2010 - 44.8% - http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb8/cb8-109.jpg
Aeris in 2002 - 43.46% - http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k2/sum02b52.jpg
Yoshi in 2006 - 42.84% - http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb2k6/cb553.jpg
Ryu in 2003 - 42.74% - http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k3/sum03b55.jpg
Kratos in 2007 - 39.19% - see L-Block
Riku in 2007 - 35.71% - see L-Block


Also, Big Boss got __.__% on Mario in 2007 like so with the following pictures:

R1 - 28.42% - http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb6/cb6-11.jpg
R2 - 34.82% - http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb6/cb6-38.jpg
R3 (with Fox) - 23.87% - http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb6/cb6-51.jpg

Big Boss got 36.84% on Mario this contest with this picture: http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb8/cb8-073.jpg


So, uh, pictures matter.
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Picking Auron > Squall was dumb, but not as dumb as thinking I could beat Leonhart!
Keep on smilin'! http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8863/72571365.jpg

As much as the board wishes this isn't PokeFAQs which means Pikachu is stronger than Charizard.
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Character Battle VIII - 157/192 - Today's Winners: Link and Sonic

Pikachu is always all over the place. I don't trust that rat
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A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

I would never ever expect Pikachu to be stronger than Charizard in any way. What basis is there for Pikachu > Charizard?
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

Pikachu being the main Pokemon of the franchise, perhaps?
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Calling Pokemon RBY a top 10 game was the most insane contest jibba-jabba ever
Woe unto he who sig bets with the near-invincible Lord High creativename

Besides being the face of the entire series and being one of the most well known characters in gaming/entire media.
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Character Battle VIII - 157/192 - Today's Winners: Link and Sonic

From: CJaM613 | #234
I would never ever expect Pikachu to be stronger than Charizard in any way. What basis is there for Pikachu > Charizard?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3295
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3833

Depends on what you take of this result. lol 4-ways and all.
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You may take Mr. Rogers down, but I will be back and become more powerful than you ever imagine
"tgs is taking it alone"

Cool, we got votes from Greenland in this match.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3843&map=1

So far, this is only the 7th match to get a vote from Greenland. 5 of them in day matches, 2 in night matches.
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Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but not as cool as KrahenProphet, Guru Champ!

Aw yeah, 21 vote cut for Kirby.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

I'd say that's more L-Block falling off than 4 ways being bad.
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Every night will have a day. Even forever has to come to an end. 2/14/2010 24:00 EST

There's really nothing wrong with thinking Pikachu and Charizard are at the same level of strength, by the way. Unless Charizard rocks Bowser's face tomorrow, it'd almost be guaranteed, really.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

Yeah taking 4 way results into account, like you guys love to do, Charizard is already proven stronger than Pikachu.

But let's stop for a second. You guys are basing Pikachu's strength in this contest, relative to Charizard, on his worldwide popularity? This isn't the world-wide popularity contest. It's a popularity contest amongst gamers. I guarantee that 9/10 pokemon fans, and gaming fans in general, will pick Charizard over Pikachu. On top of which most casual fans that have played neither game will always pick a cool looking dragon over a weird looking rat.

Charizard has everything going for him over Pikachu. I'm not arguing it anymore though. Snake has dropped. We'll see it against Squall.
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

Aw yeah, 21 vote cut for Kirby.

Kirby got a 1 vote cut about an hour ago.
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Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~
Popular at school, but not as cool as KrahenProphet, Guru Champ!

Curt, please look at my previous post about Solid **** (and Big ****) looking considerably worse and/or inconsistent before ending a debate with "Snake has dropped." You're being pretty close-minded on something we've seen a lot of, really. It's hard to take his match with Pikachu very seriously.
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Picking Auron > Squall was dumb, but not as dumb as thinking I could beat Leonhart!
Keep on smilin'! http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8863/72571365.jpg

Sonic responded very well. Although that was a weird cut. A cut amidst a bunch of 56%+ updates? O_O
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

Regarding Snake's picture. It doesn't really matter if he's had normal matches with the sprite pic or not. What matters is the potential for creating abnormally bad matches. We don't know 100% for certain whether or not Snake vs Pikachu is a normal match. We do know that due to the sprite picture there is serious potential that Snake heavily underperformed. Since we have no idea how accurate the result is, we can't do anything with it except throw it out unless we get more information that shows it was legit.
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Every night will have a day. Even forever has to come to an end. 2/14/2010 24:00 EST

Yeah taking 4 way results into account, like you guys love to do, Charizard is already proven stronger than Pikachu.

If by already you mean not yet then yes or did you not miss Pikachu's match against Solid Snake


But let's stop for a second. You guys are basing Pikachu's strength in this contest, relative to Charizard, on his worldwide popularity? This isn't the world-wide popularity contest. It's a popularity contest amongst gamers. I guarantee that 9/10 pokemon fans, and gaming fans in general, will pick Charizard over Pikachu. On top of which most casual fans that have played neither game will always pick a cool looking dragon over a weird looking rat.

Pokemon fans may prefer Charizard to Pikachu, but this isn't a Pokemon site, not everyone has played Pokemon, but even non-Pokemon fans know about Pikachu.

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Character Battle VIII - 157/192 - Today's Winners: Link and Sonic

I'm not being close minded. I'm doing exactly what you guys do. I pointed out that in his most recent Solid **** match, aside from 2010, he beat Kratos 60 - 40. He was only projected to get 66% on Kratos in 06. So, with that in mind, if Bowser can beat Charizard by 5% or more this year that would place Snake at about his 2k5 levels (when he was weakest of the N9). That is assuming that Pikachu = Charizard (which I think C-zard is stronger, but they're probably relatively similar).

So I think there's a good chance for a Squall upset -- or at least a very close match.
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

Man... Give Curt the Oscar for "Worst Supporting Logic Ever" already!
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"Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia

If Squall beats Snake, it doesn't mean Sonic beats Snake. In fact, I'd practically guarantee that Squall would beat Sonic if he could beat Snake.

But that I even expect that to be a particularly close match, as much as I might like it to be.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.