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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 873

LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 2:46:18 PM | message detail
They see me smilin'!

~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Poll Start Times*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Battle_8_Poll_Start_Times

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Solid Snake, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Tifa, Vincent, Zelda, Kirby, Missingno etc group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters in the past.

The Fodder Line - A final X-Stat value of 15% or below.

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.
paulg235 | Posted 3/11/2010 2:47:04 PM | message detail
Missingno domination tonight
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/11/2010 2:49:37 PM | message detail
Estuans interius
Ira vehementi
PIKACHU!
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi
Gooper Blooper | Posted 3/11/2010 4:06:27 PM | message detail
*checks item bag*

Master Ball
Exp. All
Calcium
Dome Fossil
Rare Candy
Votes
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/11/2010 4:32:38 PM | message detail
Cloud advanced up the steps of the Fortress of Victory, passing a hierarchy of bowing figures. At the bottom of the steps, the figures had their heads lodged completely in the ground, but as Cloud ascended the figures' heads slowly lifted out of the ground until they were only flat on their stomachs, facedown, facing foward. As Cloud ascended further, the figures no longer had to lie flat on their stomachs, and at last Cloud reached the last figure, clearly recognizable as Mario, Link's second in command. Mario only knelt on both knees, and his head was raised high enough to be able to sneak a glance at Link above.

Cloud ascended the remaining steps, 64 of them, alone. At the top he gave Link a curt nod of the head. By the treaty, Cloud should have offered a deeper bow, for while he did not need to kneel to anyone, to Link he was still supposed to give more respect. Link let it pass, clearly worried about more pressing matters, and ushered Cloud inside the chamber at the top of the fortress.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi
red sox 777 | Posted 3/11/2010 4:32:48 PM | message detail
Cloud: So, my king, why have you summoned me here today? Surely the great Link does not need the help of one so lowly as I.

Link: Shut up, Cloud. We're in serious danger, all of us.

Cloud: Danger?

Link: Do you know what Pokemon are, Cloud?

Cloud: Aren't they just harmless animals?

Link: That's what they used to be. After L-Block toppled my universal domination, I.....changed the pokemon to help me destroy him and take back my throne. You know where L-Block and his army of inanimate objects drew their power from, right?

Cloud: Um, from hate, right?

Link: Yes, hate. Hatred of the few characters who dominate over the masses who are forced to serve them. Hatred of Nintendo and Square, the powers that tear apart the world with their constant war. Hatred of the Noble Nine that stands above the world. And above all, Cloud, hatred of us. You and me. You know of the lifestream?

Cloud: Yes, of course.

Link: There is another similar force. Every time someone dies in anger or pain, those parts of them join it. Over the years it grew stronger and stronger, until at last it coalesced into a physical object.

Cloud: L-Block.

Link: Right. And it was incredibly strong. To defeat it, I, as I said, modified the Pokemon. Perhaps it is better to say I created the pokemon, for they are completely different now from the simple animals they used to be. I melded them with the force of hate, covered them with an external cute appearance, and made them able to fit into and rest inside tiny red and white balls known as pokeballs.

Cloud: You melded them with the force of hate?

Link: Yes. Every pokemon that you see- inside it runs on pure hate. You would never guess it looking into the eyes of this pikachu I have here, but it is a creature of hate. That is where it gets all its strength from.

Cloud: So you harnessed the power of the hate to create an army loyal to you......

Link: Exactly. And Pikachu was my greatest success. So much hate, hidden behind such a cute, adorable, rat. L-Block had spent much of his power already, and his constant victories had made him believe himself invincible, and when he saw Pikachu, he let his guard down.

Cloud: So you saved us all.

Link: But one pokemon I created went wrong. The cute exterior never materialized. Indeed, I couldn't even control it properly, like I designed all the other pokemon to let me do. They obey me absolutely, 100%. But this one fought back. It took a hard struggle of wills to make it obey me. And it grew.....one day, I realized it had taken on a new shape. It was.......

Cloud: What?

Link: It was.......shaped like a boot.

Cloud: !!!!!

Link: Warn Sephiroth. I can no longer control Missingno. His will has grown strong enough to break free from the bonds with which I created all the pokemon. And he is strong. So much hate and power gathered in one being........Warn Sephiroth.

Cloud: ......I will. What if Sephiroth loses?

Link: I'm sorry, but your friend Tifa doesn't stand a chance against it. Nor does that silly Solid Snake who thought he could match my boundless power with mere tricks. If Sephiroth loses, Cloud, you are next in line.

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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi
UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/11/2010 4:33:30 PM | message detail
haha yesssss
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 4:34:52 PM | message detail
I love you, red sox.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.
KingButz | Posted 3/11/2010 4:36:11 PM | message detail
that needs to go in the wiki, red sox. ****ing brilliant
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/11/2010 4:39:32 PM | message detail
Never leave us, red sox
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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 3/11/2010 4:40:15 PM | message detail
That deserves its own topic
NachoSwordsman | Posted 3/11/2010 4:40:37 PM | message detail
That was freakin' amazing man. That made this into a storyline, great stuff. Can't wait for missingno vs link
UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/11/2010 4:47:25 PM | message detail

From: KingButz | #009
that needs to go in the wiki, red sox. ****ing brilliant


Done and done: http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Red_sox_777
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TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/11/2010 4:48:36 PM | message detail
That was absolutely amazing. I think the best part of this is realizing that L-Block and MissingNo. are actually very similar in shape. BootFAQs strikes again!
KamikazePotato | Posted 3/11/2010 4:51:56 PM | message detail
10/10

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 3/11/2010 4:52:23 PM | message detail
Best post ever!!
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 3/11/2010 4:54:06 PM | message detail
That was great, red sox! :D

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red sox 777 | Posted 3/11/2010 4:56:21 PM | message detail
Thanks everyone, I wasn't expecting such a positive reception!
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 4:56:48 PM | message detail
It's the best contest related story since Crono at the Bat!
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/11/2010 5:27:34 PM | message detail
Nice one Red Sox.Also sure Link talks a lot right?
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Figlar20000 | Posted 3/11/2010 6:53:37 PM | message detail
Shaped like a boot...!!!!!!!!!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 6:58:26 PM | message detail
I do think it's humorous how Curt likes to assume Mega Man is still at his 2006 levels, but Sonic is magically exempt from that for whatever the reason.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.
charmander6000 | Posted 3/11/2010 6:59:08 PM | message detail
lol 2006 stats.

A lot of things happen in 4 years. It's like using 2k2 stats to predict the 2k6 contest.
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Character Battle VIII - 141/176 - Today's Winners: Solid Snake and Squall
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 6:59:39 PM | message detail
Actually, not just Mega Man. Everyone Curt talks about is apparently STILL at their 2006 levels, except for Sonic, who is now stronger relative to the entire field.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.
voltch | Posted 3/11/2010 6:59:51 PM | message detail
Red sox rox.
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/11/2010 7:00:10 PM | message detail
Sonic is going to break 62% on Kirby?

My best guess is that Sonic gets 55ish. Sonic 2006 >>> Sonic 2010 >> Kirby 2006 >= Kirby 2010
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi
EternalxCourage | Posted 3/11/2010 7:01:15 PM | message detail
No, you guys were saying that Mega Man might be at his 2006 levels or higher, I was using a constant Samus and a constant Mega Man to show you that Mega Man would be projected to 64% on Tidus this contest if Mega Man is at 2006 levels.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/11/2010 7:01:50 PM | message detail
Estuans interius
Ira vehementi
TAG!
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red sox 777 | Posted 3/11/2010 7:01:59 PM | message detail
But Leon's entire point was that Megaman would get more than he got on Tidus last year, this year.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 7:02:07 PM | message detail
Yeah, but EVERY TIME you argue anything, you go BUT THE 2006 STATS SHOW this. Like you talk about Ganondorf/Auron 2006 proportions and whatever.

EXCEPT when it comes to Sonic. It's selective and biased reasoning at its finest.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/11/2010 7:02:15 PM | message detail
No, you guys were saying that Mega Man might be at his 2006 levels or higher, I was using a constant Samus and a constant Mega Man to show you that Mega Man would be projected to 64% on Tidus this contest if Mega Man is at 2006 levels.

And this is relevant to...?
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Character Battle VIII - 141/176 - Today's Winners: Solid Snake and Squall
red sox 777 | Posted 3/11/2010 7:03:50 PM | message detail
No, he's actually been projecting Sonic consistently with his 2006 levels. It's easy to forget just how strong Sonic was that year, but 60% on Luigi was quite real.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/11/2010 7:04:00 PM | message detail
Sonic will get his mid-high 50's on Kirby, but the fact that he couldn't beat Bacondorf by more than he's projected to through 2006 stats (lol curt) means that while not as bad as he was in 4-ways, Sonic is definitely a step down from the last 1v1, and is probably right in the middle of the Square Badass Near-Elite trio.
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voltch | Posted 3/11/2010 7:04:28 PM | message detail
less than 2 hours until the floodgates open.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/11/2010 7:04:43 PM | message detail
Well he pointed out that Mega Man must be way stronger than previous years where he was projected to get 62% on Tidus. So I'm saying there isn't much variance there.

Also I never said that Ganon beats Auron based solely on 2006 -- I said that he has always consistently been better than Auron in 1v1 contests. The 2006 value is just the most recent one we have.
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I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 7:04:55 PM | message detail
No, he's actually been projecting Sonic consistently with his 2006 levels

I don't hear him saying Sonic beats Mega Man with 50.39%.

Plus, saying Sonic gets 40% on Link isn't really consistent with 2006 levels because he gets less than 42% on Samus.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/11/2010 7:05:49 PM | message detail
You do know that the Bacondorf that Luigi defeated was worse than the one that Sonic went up against?
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Character Battle VIII - 141/176 - Today's Winners: Solid Snake and Squall
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/11/2010 7:06:30 PM | message detail
...that's gotta be on the short list for best stats post ever. That seriously made my ****ing night.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/11/2010 7:07:15 PM | message detail
Also since when was Sonic projected to do better than 57% on Bacondorf in 2006? There is no projection for that. If you take Ganondorf from 2006 and take away 2 - 3% for the sprite picture you get...well, shockingly...55 - 56%, which would, if anything, project Sonic to be about 1% stronger than his 2006 incarnation assuming no drop on Ganondorf's end.
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I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/11/2010 7:07:18 PM | message detail
How about this: Sonic does worse on Squall directly in 2007, despite Sora being in the poll and getting his Brawl announcement, than he's projected to in 2006. Mega Man does the exact same on Samus as 2006 stats project.

4-way stats are relevent in certain situations, especially ones with direct matchups. If you have the capacity to filter out the obvious anomalies, they are far more relevant than 2006 stats.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 7:08:08 PM | message detail

From: EternalxCourage | #039
Also since when was Sonic projected to do better than 57% on Bacondorf in 2006? There is no projection for that. If you take Ganondorf from 2006 and take away 2 - 3% for the sprite picture you get...well, shockingly...55 - 56%, which would, if anything, project Sonic to be about 1% stronger than his 2006 incarnation assuming no drop on Ganondorf's end.


So if Sonic gets less than 62% on Kirby, then what?
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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/11/2010 7:08:14 PM | message detail
I didn't give Sonic a percentage on Mega Man, I just said that he looks stronger than Mega Man does this year in my opinion.
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I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/11/2010 7:09:11 PM | message detail
Except that your "2-3%" adjustment still gives us Bacondorf > Luigi, which is obviously wrong.

Keep trying curt, your butthurt Sonic fanboy damage control is highly amusing.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/11/2010 7:09:28 PM | message detail
Well when was brawl released? Kirby has a reason to boost -- not that I'm saying he would. It's tough to say but I am expecting at least 60% from Sonic.
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I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.
LeonhartFour | Posted 3/11/2010 7:09:48 PM | message detail
Sonic got Brawl, too, so that's hardly an excuse.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/11/2010 7:10:05 PM | message detail
But Sonic was in Brawl too, so he should get the same, if not a bigger boost because it was his first Smash appearance.

Try again
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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/11/2010 7:10:15 PM | message detail
How is Bacondorf > Luigi wrong? What are you basing this on? How many characters were in the poll?
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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/11/2010 7:11:12 PM | message detail
Yes but Sonic has had tons of games in that time frame how many games has Kirby had? I think his only draw right now comes from the smash franchise.

Again, I said, I am expecting at least 60% from Sonic anyway. So I don't know why you are jumping on that.
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I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/11/2010 7:11:14 PM | message detail
Luigi beat Bacondorf by enough of a margin that the fact that it was 4-ways is irrelevant. Direct matchups in 4-ways have given us very accurate predictions for this year.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/11/2010 7:11:47 PM | message detail
Kirby had Kirby Super Star DS, his best selling game in years.

Try again
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