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He has never done anything in a 1v1 contest that would ever say anything about him being weaker than MM since 04?

Yeah, other than losing to him in 2005, but that's just a little hangup, I guess!
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

MMX got 32%. You expect Sonic to do less than that? I put 35% at the minimum.

Well, after MMX, I admit 70% looks more difficult for Link against Sonic. I think MMX and Sonic are about equals.....hoping that Link can SFF Sonic worse.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

I hate to side with Curt, but the fact that Sonic curb stomped Ganon, Bacon or no, should really stop all of this "lol sonic" talk. Auron MAY beat him in 1v1, but you gotta think that Sonic would be an easy favorite.
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Albion Hero is the Cream of Loli fanboyism

Ganondorf is a fraud, a fake and a phony. He is a jobber, a thug and a fascist. He is also ugly and has no fans. I don't think anything of Sonic's performance aginst him. If Sonic wants to impress me, he needs to put up a good number on Kirby. Then I will concede he has strength. Until then, Sonic is glorified fodder as far as I'm concerned

For anyone interested here are the win-loss ratios divided up by popular companies, note I haven't counted this contest.

Activision Blizzard (6-14)
Capcom (82-76)
Konami (55-42)
Microsoft (11-15)
Namco (10-35)
Nintendo (185-125)
Sega (33-35)
Sony (5-27)
SquareEnix (175-123)
Valve (7-12)

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Character Battle VIII - 141/176 - Today's Winners: Solid Snake and Squall

The hate and lack of faith that Sonic receives in these topics is disgusting. He has never done anything in a 1v1 contest that would ever say anything about him being weaker than MM since 04?

No, EVERYTHING Sonic has ever done in a 1v1 contest except for 2006 shows him weaker than Megaman.

2002: Megaman got 49.5% on Sephiroth, Sonic got 50% on Samus who got 47% on Sephiroth
2003: Megaman got 39% on Sephiroth, Sonic got 34% against Cloud
2004: Megaman got 57% against Snake, Sonic got 42% against Samus
2005: Megaman beat Sonic by 700 votes.
2006: Sonic was projected to beat Megaman by all of half a percent.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

Right, but Sonic did post that. Because 4 ways are stupid. This has been proven time and time again in this contest.

Auron has always been weaker than Ganondorf in 1v1 contests, and this year is likely no different, and if it is it's not likely to be anything more than a minimal amount considering there being no reason for Ganondorf to suddenly be weaker.

Also nothing is going to change MY mind about Sonic? You guys just watched him ROMP Ganondorf hard in a 'debated' match where Ganondorf has always been stronger than the exact people that you are saying could beat Sonic. It's ridiculous that you would call me out for never changing my mind when it's you guys who have the blatant hate going on. Give me a break.

I think your problem is that you are so stuck on Crono (who is far weaker than Sonic).
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

Ganondorf has always been stronger than the exact people that you are saying could beat Sonic

Not since 2007.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

Sonic will probably outperform Mega Man X though.
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Character Battle VIII - 141/176 - Today's Winners: Solid Snake and Squall

Uh right, I said since 04. So in 05 they were almost equal. Is 700 votes even a half percent? Not likely with those votals. So he was projected to beat Mega Man by more than Mega Man beat him the year before.

You guys are using the oldest possible stats to put Mega Man > Sonic. When, in reality, the most recent 1v1 contest shows Sonic as being the stronger of the two. The only thing you guys have to GRASP onto is the 4 way competitions (lol). Otherwise Sonic has looked stronger this contest. Ganondorf, as noted, has always been stronger than Auron who you are trying to make look stronger than Sonic somehow, and he got curb-stomped by Sonic.

I'm betting that when Sonic 60 - 40s Kirby it will just mean Kirby was over-rated too. You guys need to wipe the hate out of your asses.
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

Man, curt really is obnoxious.

Sonic sucks, plain and simple. He overperformed against a declining Ganondorf who got his Bacondorf sprite. Sonic may still be stronger than Crono, but I'd hesitate to take him over any actual near elites like Vinny/Squall/Auron, even in a 1v1 setting.
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"Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1

Sonic probably gets around 55% on Kirby, and that still won't mean anything. Link will double him and we'll see Mega Man Lite over Sonic in the stats. What damage control will you resort to then?
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"Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1

From: EternalxCourage | #457
4 ways are stupid. This has been proven time and time again in this contest.

A-****ing-men.
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You're acting like Vincent/Squall/Auron are miles apart from Crono.
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Character Battle VIII - 141/176 - Today's Winners: Solid Snake and Squall

So he was projected to beat Mega Man by more than Mega Man beat him the year before.

Sonic would be expected to get 50.38% on Mega Man based on 2006. Mega Man got 50.37% in 2005.

So you're right, by 0.01%.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

Obnoxious is an interesting word to use. I think it's funny considering any time Sonic is mentioned in the topic you have about the three same people hating on him as always. It's funny though because those same people support Crono of all characters. What a joke that is.

Anyway there's no point in arguing it. They won't meet this contest, but Sonic will end higher in the x-stats, and comparing Sonic to MMX is a joke.

All we have to go on is 06 1v1s in which Sonic was stronger than MM, and flat out stomped Crono. Game over meng.
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

Actually, Sonic isn't the one who draws all the ire in these topics.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

I did adjust my view of Sonic upwards based on the Ganondorf match, you know. I'll grant that he makes it a lot closer with Auron than he got last year (46%), he might even win. But Auron's the favorite in that match by virtue of having won easily last year, and naturally I'll favor Squall, Vincent, and Crono over him too. Megaman/Sonic should not be debatable at all based on matches we've seen this year, in 2010.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

I am still not convinced that anyone (other than MissingNo.) could do better than 48% on a Noble Niner. I also think each trio of Noble Nine tiers are about equal. The middle tier is weird because both Snake and Samus are probably indirectly stronger than Mario, but Mario beats them both easily head to head probably. With how strong MM has looked this year, I don't think it's an insult to Sonic to say MM > Sonic by a pretty small margin. I don't know what to do with Crono anymore. Last we saw of him 1v1 he was pretty close to Mario and probably over MM, Sonic, and Snake. Snake and Samus seem to have boosted, so I don't think Crono is near them anymore. In 4-ways, he looked like Vincent's equal.
But I really don't think anyone gets over 48% on a NNer in 1v1.

Obnoxious is an interesting word to use. I think it's funny considering any time Sonic is mentioned in the topic you have about the three same people hating on him as always. It's funny though because those same people support Crono of all characters. What a joke that is.

Except I just said 2 posts ago that Sonic will beat Crono. Crono is about the only character who can equal Sonic's decadence and lack of releases.
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"Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1

he might even win. But Auron's the favorite in that match by virtue of having won easily last year, and naturally I'll favor Squall, Vincent, and Crono over him too. Megaman/Sonic should not be debatable at all based on matches we've seen this year, in 2010.

Ok so by beating a character that has always been stronger than Auron 1v1, and not just beating handily destroying, he becomes a slight underdog? Do you even listen to yourselves? It's crazy that you put that much stock in 4 ways. Don't you understand how different 1v1s and 4 ways are? It's like trying to teach something to a brick wall.
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

Maybe you'll get lucky and Sonic might look impressive if/when Sega pulls their head out of their asses. Releasing Sonic 4 episodically is not a good start.
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"Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1

Stop using 4 year old stats, Curt! Sheesh, you and your outdated stats!
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

Also 57% on Ganondorf > anything that MM has done this year. I don't know how you can say that he has clearly shown to be better than Sonic.
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

They're the most accurate recent stats. We have nothing else to go on. Therefore they're the stats worth using.
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

And when Mega Man edges out Mario, and does 5% better on Link than Sonic, we can all tell curt to bugger off.
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"Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1

Mega Man would beat Sonic with ease in a rematch.
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Also 57% on Ganondorf > anything that MM has done this year. I don't know how you can say that he has clearly shown to be better than Sonic.

Given Luigi > Bacondorf, Sonic actually underperformed based on the 2006 stats you like to spout so much.

lol curt
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"Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" - trancer1

Do you understand how different 2006 and now are?

That's why this argument won't go anywhere, you see. Nothing at the moment will convince you that Sonic isn't the same as he was in 2006. Since that's the case, how about we wait until Sonic faces Link? By the way, Crono should end with a higher x-stat value this year, not that it matters since he'll be extrapolated through Missingno, unless Cloud hits Sephiroth hard with SFF.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

And remember, Sonic was projected to 62.5% on Kirby in 2006- that was the strongest Sonic we've ever seen except maybe 2002, and he was quite strong indeed. If he gets that, we can start talking about Sonic 2006 = Sonic 2010.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

How does Luigi > Bacondorf? This has never happened.

Anyway, I never said that 2006 wasn't different from now. But you're trying to say that Ganondorf dropped 7+% and that Sonic would be the underdog against Auron. You're using stats that are irrelevant completely to the 1v1 contest, while I'm using outdated stats that are at least somewhat relevant. Ultimately Sonic has proven himself to be a legit N9er this contest, but every time he comes off strong you guys just discredit his opponent. You tried to do the same thing for Tails against Kratos, etc. etc. It's just unreal the kind of hate that Sonic gets on these boards despite being one of the greatest gaming icons of all time.

I think Sonic would beat Mega Man personally, but it's not conclusive. But I think Mega Man will probably lose to Mario worse than Sonic loses to Link.

It would be totally awesome if Sonic got rallied over Link with the prospect of Sonic vs. Mario waiting.
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

The thing is that Sonic doesn't have to be as strong as 2006 Sonic, because Kirby supposedly has 'boosted' but, like I said, 4 ways are irrelevant. Sonic just has to be stronger than Auron -- and his 2006 levels have him beating Auron with 54% and Ganondorf with 53%. He beat Ganondorf with 57%, and Auron has no more reason to stay at the same strength than Ganondorf.
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

Now you're just being completely unreasonable. I'll wait until he faces Mario, but we seem to be looking at a much stronger Mega Man this contest. I love Sonic more than anyone except Crono, but I do not think he beats Mega Man this year. And I think he'll put up 58-60% on Kirby.

Aw yeah, 2000 vote lead for Squall!
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

How am I being unreasonable? What has Mega Man done this contest to make him look stronger than in previous years? What has he done that makes him look better than a 57% on Ganondorf? Please, explain that to me.
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

But I think Mega Man will probably lose to Mario worse than Sonic loses to Link.


I'm all for this Sonic>MM talk, but that is rediculous

62-65% on two pretty good FFVII characters is good enough for me to say he's stronger than 2008. He only managed like 63% on Tidus based on their 2008 matchup.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

I don't see how it's ridiculous. Mario could likely SFF Mega Man into dust.

Anyway, this contest Mega Man has faced two untested characters in 1v1, and one character that has never faced a noble niner. Ryu Hayabusa is casual bait -- he would collapse against any N9er the same way he did against Mega Man -- especially with that picture. Then you have Zack and Cid, who have both never been in a 1v1 (and Zack draws almost all his strength from being a Cloud clone...face pic zone didn't help at all).

It's very simple. You guys really want Mega Man to be strong because you love him, you really want Sonic to be weak because you hate him. In reality there's probably some kind of middle ground where they are likely close in strength.
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

Not to mention, I'll definitely take that over less than 55% against Sora in 2006, just to appease your anti-4-way ways.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

Also how are Cid and Zack 'pretty good' what are you basing this off of?

I think Lightning is stronger than Cid at the very least, and Sonic beat her into the ground.
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

(and Zack draws almost all his strength from being a Cloud clone...face pic zone didn't help at all)

Except for the part where he performed almost exactly the same against Link with and without the Buster Sword in the pic.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

Luigi beat Bacondorf, that's why we consider him stronger than Bacondorf. And that's also a huge part of the evidence for Ganondorf not being at 2006 levels. He was projected to 56% on Luigi in 2006, and only got 52% in 2007, followed by 49% when it was Bacondorf. And it makes a lot of sense that Ganondorf would drop- 2006 was TP's launch year. It was the most hyped game on Gamefaqs ever, except maybe for Brawl, and I'm not sure if even that beats it.

As for Kratos, I never tried to discredit his strength. I do think Charizard's the favorite over Bowser, after all.

I think this contest has shown us over and over that 4-way results hold up surprisingly well to 1v1. 4-way stats have very high variance, but we've yet to find evidence for systematic bias in one direction or another. That is, individual results hold up well, long strings of extrpolations through 4-way matches don't. 3 years is a long time. Think about predicting the 2006 contest with 2003 stats- wouldn't work out so well.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

I think Lightning is stronger than Cid at the very least, and Sonic beat her into the ground.

Likewise, what are you basing this off of?

Just as much as I am, if not less, because at least Zack's been in a contest before.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

And for the record, 2006 Kirby >= 2010 Kirby.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

Extrapolating through 2006 Samus Mega Man is still expected to only get 63~% on Tidus this year. So...
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

Huh? What are you basing Megaman 2010 off of?
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

And for the record, 2006 Kirby >= 2010 Kirby.

Sonic is going to break 62% on Kirby?
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Character Battle VIII - 141/176 - Today's Winners: Solid Snake and Squall

Extrapolating through 2006, Sonic/Mega Man is still a tossup.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

From: red sox 777 | #496
Huh? What are you basing Megaman 2010 off of?

Mega Man 2006, I'm guessing.
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Squall Leonhart is the worst Final Fantasy character ever created.

I'm assuming that Mega Man and Samus are at 2006 levels.
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Curt - PSN - CPhoenixM
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.