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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/8/2010 10:54:27 PM | message detail

From: Sonic_Factor | #048
Considering 2k6 crono isn't even supposed to get 42% on samus, ya its bad.





Stop doing that. Samus's dominance over the male bracket was exaggerated over the obviously funny match between her and Snake. Comparing Samus to any male that year isn't going to work unless you think Zelda=Sonic=Megaman=Crono
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 3/8/2010 10:55:35 PM | message detail
How in the world was Samus vs Snake a funny match?
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TheOneAboveAll | Posted 3/8/2010 10:56:12 PM | message detail
Add in the ASV and Samus is decently over 70%.
We get it, Sonic_Factor. You're a pretty good analyst here who hates certain characters (at least Samus and Crono) and tries to take them down whenever you can. Please at least try and pretend to be objective when looking at numbers.
The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/8/2010 10:56:53 PM | message detail
What, my bad, Zelda > Crono/Sonic/Megaman.

It was a funny match because... it just was. There's no way anyone sitting through that contest could watch Snake manhandle Sonic and Megaman, watch Samus struggle with Tifa and let Zelda do as well as she did, and then see Samus easily put away Snake and just nod and go "Oh"

The stats that year were messed up.
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 3/8/2010 10:58:18 PM | message detail
/facepalm How am I trying to make her look bad? I really want to know. Auron is predicted to be 2% above 2k6 btw, why people put him = to squall now. Also, she is below 70% in NA, and is doing horribly in other areas. 70% would never happen even in an afternoon match.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/8/2010 10:58:38 PM | message detail
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/8/2010 10:59:16 PM | message detail
Also, Samus taking away Snake's brawl strength was the popular theory, since Snake's steroids were logically linked to Brawl(there really was no other reason to see)

Man I have a serious issue with saying Samus when I mean Snake and vice versa
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 3/8/2010 11:00:32 PM | message detail
Also, I don't deliberately try to make Crono look bad. I admit I trolled him vs missingno. That was cause he broke the N9. I didn't think he dropped in power until yoshi did only 1% worse on missingno then he did. Even now, I'd still take crono over squall/auron, and would go either way versus vincent. That, and I think he'd have beat missingno in a 24hr.
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 3/8/2010 11:03:37 PM | message detail
Also, Samus taking away Snake's brawl strength was the popular theory, since Snake's steroids were logically linked to Brawl(there really was no other reason to see)

Man I have a serious issue with saying Samus when I mean Snake and vice versa


Samus has been pretty consistent ever since 2k4. I think people overestimated 2k6 Snake. I honestly think the match was legit, mainly because brawl and mgs4 were not out yet. Now that both were released, and both got extremely good reviews, It'd be legit to call it a funny match if the same result took place.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/8/2010 11:07:59 PM | message detail
Uh, he 55-45ed the Crono/Sonic/Megaman trio. That's something even Mario on his fantastic 2005 year where he beat Samus would have barely done.

Also, the one match where he didn't look too hot was also against Nintendo(Yoshi) yes, it was sprite round, but that's a little too much for coincidence if you ask me
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/8/2010 11:21:34 PM | message detail
Either Samus underperformed in the the Female Bracket and Samus/Solid was normal, or Solid was legitimately outclassing her up until the championship and Samus beat him by stealing his hype. I don't think we can prove either one to be true. I prefer the theory of Solid losing his hype, but there's not a known or particularly favored answer about what exactly went down.


Anyway, Samus is kicking ass. I don't think this is a Samus > Cloud level of whippin', but she still looks good. It'll be fun to see more Samus/Cloud comparisons after Cloud faces CF.
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creativename | Posted 3/8/2010 11:22:09 PM | message detail
L-Block had a better ASV than Kratos? What world do we live in now??

Also it's funny how it seems we're back in 2K2, with the most impressive non-Clinkeroth characters being Mega Man, Samus and Sonic.

Although this performance isn't too out of line for Samus - if you assume strengths of 25% and 40%, that works out to 68.75% for Samus. I thought Samus would be weaker than that in a night match so I figured for about a doubling. Good by Samus here, perhaps enough to make one think she'd have a shot at Sephiroth in a day match.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/8/2010 11:27:02 PM | message detail
Even if Samus was underperforming in the female bracket, I think it would take a boost in the strength she had displayed up to that point in previous contests to perform on Solid Snake as well as she did. I don't think Samus ever showed that she could boast over 58% on Megaman/Crono/Sonic. Well, she came close to that on Sonic in 2004. But even still, it wasn't a good looking year for Sonic and she still managed to miss the mark even then.
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creativename | Posted 3/8/2010 11:36:31 PM | message detail
I don't know why you would say that - Samus had shown strength around 40% levels in previous years, and that's what we figured Snake was at that year before he faced Samus. Samus had just not looked impressive so she became the underdog, but previous years stats-wise the match could've been considered a tossup.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/8/2010 11:38:00 PM | message detail
Yes, it should have been a toss-up, not Samus winning with ease
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creativename | Posted 3/8/2010 11:45:50 PM | message detail
Snake might have underperformed by a couple points due to her being Nintendo, but it's not that large a deal in the big picture. My own guess is that he did, when I do estimates I set Mario=Samus=Snake, but it's not for sure.

Nowadays I think Snake has dropped off slightly and I think Mario and Samus are a point or two ahead of him.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/8/2010 11:46:11 PM | message detail
Sonic Team looked relatively good that year, though it's because of a variety of circumstances. Tails won his first match and impressed against Dante before Sonic beat him down, Shadow was just shy of Tidus, and Knuckles did the best he ever did against Solid. That can be countered by Viewtiful Joe being who Tails beat, Sonic faced Dante with artwork from Viewtiful Joe after letting Ryu compete with him for several hours, Shadow and Tidus were both exposed by Mega Man, and Solid was the weakest he had ever been...but it still wasn't a bad year for the crew, at the least.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/8/2010 11:51:49 PM | message detail
Jill's been catching up to Sub-Zero, by the way. She's now .25% behind Sub-Zero at this time in Samus/Jill...she'll probably pull ahead of him, though I don't know the trends well enough to say if she'll keep it once daylight strikes.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/8/2010 11:53:36 PM | message detail
Considering how awful Snake was that year, Knuckles was actually kind of disappointing in retrospect.

And letting Kefka get like 43% on you is kind of sad. Well, back then anyway. But I guess Sonic didn't do THAT bad... but still, a lot of people thought Megaman had been SFFed by Link due to how bad he did, and yet Sonic Vs. Megaman would still have been a good match that year despite that going by the stats. Considering how Sonic could hang with Megaman in years after that in years without suspected SFF, it's hard to say that he wasn't a little behind a step that year. And of course, you have Mario only expected to get 55% himself in 2005...

I'm with creative in that I figured they should have been statistically equal, but there were are circumstances to corrupt their direct matchups.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 3/8/2010 11:58:53 PM | message detail
but it still wasn't a bad year for the crew, at the least.

Indeed. Nothing is gonna beat last year for them.

Holy god that year sucked hard for them.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/9/2010 12:39:02 AM | message detail
After playing a couple of hours of FFXIII, I only have one thing to say:

Fear the Frocobo
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/9/2010 12:42:06 AM | message detail
Heart Division Lower Half

Charizard – 50.00%
Kratos – 45.51%
L-Block – 39.36%
Duke Nukem – 35.75%
Miles “Tails” Prower – 35.52%
Isaac – 31.10%
HK-47 – 28.37%
Professor Layton – 19.42%

Chart from yesterday's match:

Time | L-Block | Charizard | Votes
0:05 | 39.28% | 60.72% | 1021
1:00 | 40.12% | 59.88% | 9240
2:00 | 39.95% | 60.05% | 7749
3:00 | 39.67% | 60.33% | 7559
4:00 | 39.20% | 60.80% | 8031
5:00 | 39.32% | 60.68% | 8102
6:00 | 38.70% | 61.30% | 7737
7:00 | 38.54% | 61.46% | 7167
8:00 | 39.61% | 60.39% | 6486
9:00 | 37.96% | 62.04% | 5659
10:00 | 38.91% | 61.09% | 5133
11:00 | 39.35% | 60.65% | 4620
12:00 | 41.11% | 58.89% | 4070

L-Block breaks 40% in its first hour and its last hour. How in the world did this thing become so evenly trended anyway?
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KingBartz | Posted 3/9/2010 12:46:09 AM | message detail
when the joke stopped being funny
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/9/2010 2:39:05 AM | message detail
So wait this means Jill > Tidus? Man, that's quite a surprise to me.
vcharon | Posted 3/9/2010 3:04:18 AM | message detail
Subby is nearing Jill's percentage. It'll be the test to hold it during the morning hours however.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/9/2010 3:15:43 AM | message detail
Even then, Jill Valentine being stronger than the main character of this site's game of the decade makes absolutely no sense. Gee, is Auron really so far away from Tidus in strength? I suppose he is, considering how Auron has 60-40'd Sub-Zero both times they met while Tidus could only manage a piddly 47% on the same character. Uh...

We should've thrown Gordon Freeman to Tidus (or Alucard, or Sub-Zero, or Master Chief) this year, not Tifa.

Master Chief vs. Gordon Freeman: who wins?
vcharon | Posted 3/9/2010 3:27:19 AM | message detail
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vcharon | Posted 3/9/2010 3:27:50 AM | message detail
Game polls have nothing to do with character strength. Look at Uncharted.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/9/2010 4:22:24 AM | message detail
@vcharon: What was that a response to? Me?

I looked in "lol x-stats" and according to the '06 stats Freeman and Hayabusa are on EXACTLY the same level, and the '05 stats have Hayabusa scoring 52.04% on Freeman, which is less than what he got on MC this contest.

There's also the fact of the matter that MC and Freeman have the exact opposite trends from what I've heard (meaning that the last match of round 2 was a day match featuring 2 terrible ASV characters, ugh), but given Chief's constant history of choking away all his credibility I would actually pick Freeman to win such.

At the very least, Freeman definetely defeats Marcus Fenix now, heh (unless Zero is stronger than Tifa, which I wouldn't believe for even a second).
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vcharon | Posted 3/9/2010 4:50:38 AM | message detail
I mean that Tidus being the main character of the game which won "game of the decade" doesn't mean a lot. Characters don't always share their game's strength. Sometimes they are weaker and sometimes they can be stronger, and there are plenty that are pretty flat against their game's power as well. I wasn't talking about Gordon.

But as for this other thing... yeah, that's why you don't trust in x-stats so blindly. I don't really believe Chief would do as badly as Gordon did against Tifa. If you do look at the results from that long ago... note Chief's percentage against Crono. If you believe Gordon can indeed beat Chief, you are also virtually saying Tifa can beat Crono.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/9/2010 4:57:13 AM | message detail
Tifa beating Crono isn't exactly the most out there thing in the world, y'know...
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vcharon | Posted 3/9/2010 4:59:35 AM | message detail
It isn't, I'm just sort of wondering if that's what he's saying. I personally would pick Tifa, but most in here seem to be of the belief that Crono would still win and that Tifa isn't in the "near elite pack" of FF characters below the elites (Squall/Auron/Vincent).
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/9/2010 5:31:58 AM | message detail
Well, there's also the fact that Freeman is basically guaranteed to finish ahead of Chief in the x-stats this year, due to Hayabusa's tank job against Mega Man.

I do not believe Chief does as well on Crono now as he did back then. He was coming off of Halo 2 in that contest. Do you think Hayabusa would break 40% on Crono? I definetely don't, especially after that ridiculous tank job against Mega Man.

Master Chief is very untrustable at the moment, in other words.
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/9/2010 5:39:18 AM | message detail
And I know about the whole Tidus thing. I know that he's not the strongest character from his own game (might not even be the 3rd strongest at this rate, heh). I was simply saying that it's ironic.
The n00b Avenger | Posted 3/9/2010 5:53:17 AM | message detail
Uh, Master Chief lost cleanly to Ryu this year. I would not be surprised if Tifa does smack him down much worse than she did Gordon.

Well Master Chief is a strange one so it's hard to say, but this is easily the worst Master Chief has ever looked in the contest before. Comparisons to 2005 are probably meaningless
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 3/9/2010 6:35:35 AM | message detail
sweet. 38th position and only going up when Ryu wins. =)
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greatone10 | Posted 3/9/2010 6:53:06 AM | message detail
I don't think Master Chief is as much volatile as he just tends to do WAY better in these contests when he is fresh off a new release. 2003, 2006, and 2010 are looking to be his weakest years, and the fact that they are the years furthest away from any new Halos just can't be a coincidence.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 3/9/2010 6:57:14 AM | message detail
Unless we have another character contest this fall, then he won't be gaining too much from Halo Reach!

I love how random Master Chief is. I bet you can have a lot of fun, ridiculous comparisons just by assuming a constant Master Chief!
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/9/2010 7:08:23 AM | message detail
Not even 9% for Charizard?Are you kidding me?If he takes the division he will have what 5%?And so many people in the leaderboard got it right...But I got owned.Oh well.Next year.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/9/2010 7:13:05 AM | message detail
sweet. 38th position and only going up when Ryu wins. =)

No way Leon makes it competitive with that sprite he got - that just screams Solid **** level underperformance, which is probably lethal for a character like Leon.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/9/2010 7:35:29 AM | message detail
Including this match there are 5 matches in a row that no surprises will exist.Well whatever...
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/9/2010 7:40:17 AM | message detail
Okay I am really stupid.I just noticed that there is a map that shows the whole world votings.Man...It even shows my country,not bad.
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CronoBrokeNobl9 | Posted 3/9/2010 7:46:32 AM | message detail
So who's ready for a massive Jecht overperformance due to FFXIII that'll make him end up higher in the Xstats then his brat son?
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LOLContests | Posted 3/9/2010 7:51:15 AM | message detail
So who's ready for a massive Jecht overperformance due to FFXIII that'll make him end up higher in the Xstats then his brat son?

Better a brat than a child abuser.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/9/2010 7:59:29 AM | message detail
I love how random Master Chief is. I bet you can have a lot of fun, ridiculous comparisons just by assuming a constant Master Chief!

All of MC's opponents x-stats

2k5 Crono - 61.29%
2k3 Aerith - 60.15%
2k7 L-Block - 59.03%
2k8 Kirby - 55.40% (R3)
2k10 Ryu Hayabusa - 52.56%
2k7 Solid Snake - 52.45%
2k8 Dante - 52.16%
2k6 Sub-Zero - 50.95%
2k8 Kirby - 50.94% (R2)
2k4 Frog - 50.00%
Master Chief - 50.00%
2k5 Donkey Kong - 49.21%
2k3 Felix - 47.04%
2k8 Big Boss - 46.27%
2k7 Dante - 45.29% (R4)
2k8 Leon Kennedy - 44.56%
2k8 Raiden - 43.50% (R1)
2k7 Luigi - 41.80% (R4)
2k8 Kain Highwind - 40.84%
2k7 Luigi - 39.86% (R3)
2k7 Yuna - 39.78% (R1)
2k10 Spy - 39.78%
2k7 Ganondorf - 38.81%
2k7 Dante - 37.11% (R5)
2k7 Pikachu - 36.20%
2k7 Yuna - 35.37% (R2)
2k7 Yuna - 34.47% (R3)
2k5 CATS - 31.17%
2k7 Alucard - 30.51%
2k4 Crash Bandicoot - 29.28%
2k8 Raiden - 28.22% (R2)
2k7 Tommy Vercetti - 24.34%
2k7 Liquid Snake - 22.96%
2k8 Professor Layton - 20.33%
2k7 PaRappa the Rapper - 17.13%

Felix is a powerhouse >_>
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/9/2010 8:00:51 AM | message detail
The final match will be 12 hours or 24 hours?
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/9/2010 8:01:38 AM | message detail
The Semi-Finals and Finals will be 24 hours long.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/9/2010 8:04:38 AM | message detail
Match CVI: (14) Jecht vs. (10) Zelda

Last Round

Jecht – 56.16%
Ratchet – 43.84%

Zelda – 62.11%
Ezio Auditore da Firenze – 37.89%

Analysis

You know the seeding in this contest is crazy when a 10 and a 14 seed find each other in the third round of a contest. Zelda was terribly under seeded while Jecht is the product the weakest four-pack of the contest and maybe even the weakest of all time. Final Fantasy X characters tend to get screwed over because of bracket placement, but here’s Jecht in his first contest already reaching the third round.

Zelda crushing Jecht was never in doubt, but there is still the matter of how badly Zelda will crush Jecht. Do we trust Phoenix Wright which makes Jecht high fodder to borderline fodder or do we trust Ratchet which makes Jecht regular fodder. I think Jecht is closer to the former than the later. Ratchet has reasons to increase in strength over the years and while I don’t like to bring up the vote-ins Jecht did pretty in well in them.

If this was a night match I wouldn’t be surprised if Jecht came close to outperforming Ezio, but with the advantage of the Zelda day vote I can see her pushing for a doubling against Jecht. Jecht has a great chance at returning to another contest because people will remember him for reaching the third round, not because he has notable strength.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Zelda > Jecht

charmander6000’s Prediction: Zelda wins, 64.75% - 35.25%

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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/9/2010 8:13:57 AM | message detail
Ah okay Charmander6000.So 3 matches at 24 hours.No-one will complain.
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