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Yeah, I figure Sonic wins about 53-47 in a 24-hour match with a normal picture. That's 1% for the night match, and over 3% for Bacondorf (according to Luigi/Ganon 2007).
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Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

Why are we assuming a pic factor is something transitive anyway? I wouldn't do that.
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Plus, that LTTP sprite is nowhere near as hideous as the Zelda 1 sprite, even if it's still a pig.
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i think red has a grudge against sonic still. after that huge beating crono took in 2k6 ;]
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hmmmmmmmm

Assuming that the sprite is worth the same against Luigi as against Sonic is the best assumpion we're going to get.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

Bacandorf making a 3% difference? lol
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But why assume anything? I don't like arbitrary adjustments anyway, but that's just me (and yes, even though you used Luigi/Ganon, it's still arbitrary because it's a different format, a different character, and a different sprite).
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

These aren't x-stats, they're personal guesses. That's why I'm inviting everyone to submit their own list. And no, I don't think Bacondorf made no difference, so I'm not going to use that for my list.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

Well, the main thing I disagree with is assuming the pic factor is transitive. Do we really think Bacondorf is going to cost Ganon 3% if he faces Snake in the sprite round, for example? Some pic disadvantages are bigger than others.
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Can anyone give me the link for the pictures of the Sonic/Ganon match?I wasn't there.
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Well, the main thing I disagree with is assuming the pic factor is transitive. Do we really think Bacondorf is going to cost Ganon 3% if he faces Snake in the sprite round, for example?

Relative to what he would normally get against Snake's sprite? Sure.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

Uh...Sonic probably would have ended at the same percentage if the day continued. Sonic would beat Ganon with 57% or more in a 24 hour match easily.

You guys really just hate on Sonic too much. Squall and Vincent both would get owned by Sonic. Easily. Crono is probably below Squall and Vincent but I give him a decent chance at them.

Sonic > Squall >= Vincent > Crono.

Sonic could probably pull a 53 - 55% on Crono in a day match, or 24 hour match. 51 - 53 in a night match.
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Relative to what he would normally get against Snake's sprite? Sure.

Relative to what he would get against Snake in a normal match with a fair picture. Why are we even assuming there's a match where Snake gets a sprite and Ganondorf doesn't anyway?
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That was Ganon?Man...But still nice win for Sonic.
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Relative to what he would get against Snake in a normal match with a fair picture. Why are we even assuming there's a match where Snake gets a sprite and Ganondorf doesn't anyway?

Because we're trying to isolate the effect of Bacondorf. Snake's sprite is going to have a much bigger negative effect, so a sprite round Snake/Ganon match will end in a bigger win for Snake than usual. But Snake won't be hurt as much by the sprite round as he would against a character with a good sprite, because of Bacondorf.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

Okay, so we agree the pic factor isn't transitive then because it depends on the opponent?

And why does Snake get a bigger win in a sprite round against Bacondorf anyway? They're both abysmal sprites.
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Uh...Sonic probably would have ended at the same percentage if the day continued. Sonic would beat Ganon with 57% or more in a 24 hour match easily.

You guys really just hate on Sonic too much. Squall and Vincent both would get owned by Sonic. Easily. Crono is probably below Squall and Vincent but I give him a decent chance at them.

Sonic > Squall >= Vincent > Crono.

Sonic could probably pull a 53 - 55% on Crono in a day match, or 24 hour match. 51 - 53 in a night match.

I don't think there is any way sonic would finish over 57% in a 24 hour match. He was doing 2.5% worse or so in NA. I'd take 56% or so finish. As for squall and vincent. I think they're close, but I still ee sonic hitting 51% on them at least, imo. I also think you're underestimating Crono. I'd take vincent over Crono, not sure about squall. The three seem pretty even in a 24hr format. Unless Crono truly is only 1% above yoshi now..
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hmmmmmmmm

I don't get what you're saying, Leon.

X-stats wise, you can basically treat Ganondorf and Bacondorf as different characters. A simple extrapolation through Luigi gives Bacondorf's percentage on Ganondorf. There's no reason to think that the normal linearity/transitivity assumptions are violated. The percentages don't depend on the opponent any more than the percentages in every match depend on the opponent.

Why does Snake's sprite hurt him more than Ganon's? Because we've seen Snake's sprite cause massive shifts in the past (see Snake/Frog 2004, etc.) while we've seen Ganondorf only fall 3.5% against Luigi.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

Wait a minute, did I say bigger win for Snake? I'm sorry, I meant to say smaller win.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

Solid Snake vs. Ganondorf with a fair picture

Solid Snake vs. Ganondorf in the sprite round

Is there a 3% difference in the final result in these two matches? I don't think so. Heck, I doubt there's much difference at all because both characters look terrible.
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Where's the proof that Ganondorf's performance against Luigi was caused from the picture anyway. We've seen worse fluctiations with seemingly no factors in 4 ways
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From: The n00b Avenger | #122
Where's the proof that Ganondorf's performance against Luigi was caused from the picture anyway. We've seen worse fluctiations with seemingly no factors in 4 ways

There isn't. For all we know, the difference was caused by Mudkip.
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Solid Snake vs. Ganondorf with a fair picture

Solid Snake vs. Ganondorf in the sprite round

Is there a 3% difference in the final result in these two matches? I don't think so. Heck, I doubt there's much difference at all because both characters look terrible.

That's not the question. You can't say that Bacondorf has no effect or a positive effect because Snake's sprite is even worse. That's like saying Mario sucks at the day vote because Sora's even better.

We're looking at the effect of Bacondorf, not of the sprite round in general.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

And actually, I can use 4-way match results to prove that Snake's sprite actually helps him!

Snake with sprite: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2917

Snake with normal picture: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2922
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I don't think there is any way sonic would finish over 57% in a 24 hour match. He was doing 2.5% worse or so in NA.

It was a 12 hour match that had very small chance for the NA crowd to vote. You're talking about just the people that are up early and near the computer on a Saturday morning. Chances are that his percentage in NA would have gone up as the day continued. Then once it hit night again it would have gone up more. Sonic wouldn't have dropped below 57 in a 24 hour match. You will see when Sonic destroys Kirby in a day match.
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Curt
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Speaking of Sonic vs Kirby: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4163/sonicvskirby.jpg
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Looking to have Sonic regain his dignity and then some with that pic, eh?

...I approve.
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And this is really very simple. Suppose for argument's sake Ganondorf gets 36% on Snake normally, Bacondorf gets 47% on Ganondorf, and Sprite Snake gets 42% on Snake.

Then simple x-stats calculation gives you:

Bacondorf gets 40.29% on Sprite Snake.
Bacondorf gets 33.84% on normal Snake.
Ganondorf gets 42.86% on Sprite Snake.

I don't get why this is confusing, and the example you gave makes no sense. Of course Ganondorf wouldn't underperform by 3% against Snake in the sprite round- both pictures matter.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 3: Sephiroth!!!
Link's quest to save us from the oppression of the jokes- Round 4: Luigi

pretty sick, but sonics body looks strange
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hmmmmmmmm

I don't even see Sonic in that picture. I see "OMG GREEN HILL ZONE AWESOME MY CHILDHOOD IS COMING AT ME AT A MILLION MILES AN HOUR DIE DUM PINK BALL"
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From: red sox 777 | #129
And this is really very simple. Suppose for argument's sake Ganondorf gets 36% on Snake normally, Bacondorf gets 47% on Ganondorf, and Sprite Snake gets 42% on Snake.

Then simple x-stats calculation gives you:

Bacondorf gets 40.29% on Sprite Snake.
Bacondorf gets 33.84% on normal Snake.
Ganondorf gets 42.86% on Sprite Snake.

I don't get why this is confusing, and the example you gave makes no sense. Of course Ganondorf wouldn't underperform by 3% against Snake in the sprite round- both pictures matter.

I misunderstood what you were saying, but I get what you're saying now.

I still don't agree that it's a transitive thing, but I understand.
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... I despise Sonic and I might be tempted to vote for him. That pic is a bit of a nostalgia trip, even though I didn't own a Genesis, myself.

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Definitely no bias here!

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i dunno

actually, it looks great overall, the blur on sonic adds a nice touch since kirby is slashing. Can't just have sonic posing!
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From: Sonic_Factor | #130
pretty sick, but sonics body looks strange

It's his taunt from Brawl, plus in most of his games his body disappears when he starts blurring it up. Take a close look at any Genesis sprite.
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I love that pic Ulti. Hope it gets used.

I can't believe people actually think that Kirby could possibly stand a chance against Sonic. Good lord it's going to be awesome to see him kirb-stomp kirby. He's going to beat Kirby so bad they're going to rename the action 'kirby-stomp.'
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

It's his taunt from Brawl, plus in most of his games his body disappears when he starts blurring it up. Take a close look at any Genesis sprite.


gotcha!
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hmmmmmmmm

I agree with you there, the 4way bandwagon thing is really clouding people. I still don't understand the Ganondorf damage control, either. There wasn't a doubt in my mind Sonic was going to win that match.

Also Bacon likes to use a lot of pictures during the freeform rounds, so hopefully the pics cliq gets most of their stuff in. I think we're all making a lot of good pictures.
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"Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?"
"I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!"

Is next round multi pics, or just 1 btw?
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hmmmmmmmm

Bacon always picks multiple (sometimes like 10) pics for freeform matches.
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Awesome pic, Ulti!
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Normally Bacon won't pick 10 until the last match though. Usually it's 3-6 until then.
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hmm going to try and make one than, see how it goes
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hmmmmmmmm

Hmm, figured people would complain more about Sonic's blur there. Glad you guys like it.

Which of course means if it gets chosen, I'll hear 12 straight hours of crying everywhere else =p
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People with one foot in the coffin shouldn't jump around.

Sonic's legs are supposed to be blurry when he runs!
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

I was 1% off in my guest analysis for the Ganon/Sonic match. Well, just over 1%. But Ganondorf would beat Kirby so I don't know where this Kirby > Sonic stuff is ever going to come from. Even taking away 1 - 3% from Sonic for the 'bacondorf' crap he still beats Kirby 60 - 40 imo.

I mean the last time Kirby and Vivi were both in a 1v1 contest Kirby was projected to beat Vivi with 61%. @_@ Now while that's obviously inflated a bit, 57% is really not that impressive of a performance to me from Kirby, especially in a day match.

Meanwhile Sonic impressed everyone (even though people are trying all this damage control crap) with his whipping of Ganondorf (which I knew would happen anyway).

Sonic is really strong this year, and I think that with StH4 coming out he's going to get stronger. Especially if he's well received there because it would probably cause SEGA to continue to produce old style Sonic games more.

I can definitely see a good Sonic team boost in the future.
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Curt
Hey soul sister, hey that mister mister on the radio, stereo, the way you move ain't fair ya know.

I'm gonna go ahead and be a negative nancy and say it's a bit too cluttered for my tastes. When I bring up the pic my eye's not able to actually focus on anything in it for a few seconds.
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