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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 865

DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 3/6/2010 12:20:40 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #200
We should not be holding Bowser's 4-way performances against him. He was being leeched by somebody in all four 4-way matches he's been in (Mewtwo/Toad in R1 of '07, Shadow in R2 of '07, Geno in R1 of '08 and Luigi/Phoenix in R2 of '08).

This simply tells us that Bowser is a big leech and possibly that Mario characters benefit from 1vs1. Of course the only year when Mario characters really looked good in a 1vs1 setting was '05, but whatever.


Yoshi has always looked decent, and in 2006 he looked really good. Luigi looked almost as good in 2006 as in 2005. Bowser has been really strong every year.

Mario himself was pretty beastly in 2005 though, lol.

From: LeonhartFour | #189
Stop using lol4way stats. Seriously, give me a reason as to why an iconic character, that everyone knows, like Bowser to suddenly drop in 2007/2008. Look at the 1v1 stats.

I'm looking at the 1v1 stats, and they tell me Bowser didn't suddenly drop in 2007/2008. He was already down there in 2006. He definitely hasn't looked as strong as he did in 2005 this year, unless we're arguing Kefka would give Ryu a good fight. The reason he did so well in 2005 was because he was coming fresh off the Villains Contest. Same with Ganondorf.


2005 was Ryu's weakest year. I wouldn't say it was JUST Bowser boosting. Besides this, you'll always have variation in stats.

Oh, and I think the "Villians Contest" argument is bogus. People aren't just going in to a poll in 2005 and going "Hey, he did well in the Villains contest this spring! I'll vote for him because of that!"

From: Fayt_Esteed | #195
Still, it's kinda funny how, despite looking like crap after 2005, Bowser's the favorite over Sora.


He's not the favourite. Look at the guru. Maybe now he kind of is only because of his picture and maybe people are finally realizing it's a night match.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/6/2010 12:25:54 AM | message detail

From: DaruniaTheGoron | #201
Oh, and I think the "Villians Contest" argument is bogus. People aren't just going in to a poll in 2005 and going "Hey, he did well in the Villains contest this spring! I'll vote for him because of that!"


The Recency Effect is quite real.
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Iamthekuzalol | Posted 3/6/2010 12:26:59 AM | message detail
Almost all of Mario characters are looking fine this contest (Mario, Yoshi, Luigi), hell even Peach looked quite alright in her match against Gordon. On the other hand, all of the KH characters are showing sign of weakening since 2006. Even at the peak of their strength(KH), i don't think Sora could beat Bowser by more than 54% in 2006.

Bowser has a very strong NPH, slightly below average night and a excellent morning vote, the only voting period that he is clearly losing out is the ASV but sadly, Sora doesn't have access to it.

I have Sora in my bracket but i think Bowser should at least be a slight favorite going into the match.
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Achromatic | Posted 3/6/2010 12:28:36 AM | message detail
Poor Ganon, your defeat was obvious.

Your next, Bowser!
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Achromatic | Posted 3/6/2010 12:28:51 AM | message detail
also you're is probably more accurate there, whoops for just waking up.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 3/6/2010 12:43:32 AM | message detail
So I guess this match proves that Ganon really is weaker than CATS considering how well Sonic is doing.


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KingBartz | Posted 3/6/2010 1:09:35 AM | message detail
Sonic is tearing things up during the dead hours. Tons of 60%+ updates.
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Japago | Posted 3/6/2010 1:23:35 AM | message detail
I'm a casual here, but this is my first time here since Dante/Ryu :(. Man, I had so much confidence in Dante. He probably just choked big time. On Leon, we'll get a good reading on him next match. Leon got 56% on Vivi in 07. I think Kirby should beat that, but we'll see.

BTW, does anybody think that the fact that Ryu has 2 T vs C out and SSFIV upcoming had anything to do with it? Man, I'm not gonna make the pic excuse. That I really don't buy. It looks similar to the rest and sales make it seem like the game hasn't had any lasting effect on the fanbase.

I don't want to make excuses though, he probably just choked.

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janembaman | Posted 3/6/2010 1:28:07 AM | message detail
You know...I usually don't believe in the "pic factor"
But this time this is too much to let it slide
Ganon horrible pic is horrible
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/6/2010 1:28:33 AM | message detail
Oh yeah I looked through the bracket and counted up 37 Western characters. Only 13 of them got to round 2, and only 4 of them are in round 3 (out of which two of them are joke characters and one of them had a surprisingly soft path).

Note that by "Western character" I mean a character who originated from a Western game, meaning that Diddy Kong is a Western character but Donkey Kong isn't. LOL?
MoogleKupo141 | Posted 3/6/2010 1:34:28 AM | message detail
...you consider Diddy Kong a western character
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Japago | Posted 3/6/2010 1:40:06 AM | message detail
Oh yeah I looked through the bracket and counted up 37 Western characters. Only 13 of them got to round 2, and only 4 of them are in round 3 (out of which two of them are joke characters and one of them had a surprisingly soft path).

Note that by "Western character" I mean a character who originated from a Western game, meaning that Diddy Kong is a Western character but Donkey Kong isn't. LOL?



Yeah, it's surprising. Maybe games today just don't focus on the characters? What's sad is that even one of the strongest ones (Kratos) should have an immediate game boost due to GoW3. He'll probably become weaker next contest. Honestly, Sub Zero may be in a league of his own in terms of Western non-joke characters.

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vcharon | Posted 3/6/2010 1:47:56 AM | message detail
Sub-Zero is likely the strongest character developed by a western company. Too bad this wasn't around in the mid 90s and he could have beaten Link and such.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 3/6/2010 2:09:23 AM | message detail
Good, Sonic's legit! Now to see how far above MMX he is when he goes against Link.

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Mumei | Posted 3/6/2010 2:49:04 AM | message detail
Sub-Zero is likely the strongest character developed by a western company. Too bad this wasn't around in the mid 90s and he could have beaten Link and such.

That would have been interesting - seeing how well FFVII would have done when it first came out, how much OoT would have boosted Link, whether Mario would have been stronger at the tail-end of the SNES / beginning of the N64, how strong MK characters might have been back when the series had... more relevancy than it does now, etc.

Too bad polls back then were hardly getting any votes and would make for glacially slow / boring comebacks.

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 3/6/2010 3:11:11 AM | message detail
Tifa vs. Ganondorf next contest, please.

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janembaman | Posted 3/6/2010 3:20:57 AM | message detail
So..the only "hard" matches left in this round are
Bowser\Sora
L-Block\Charizard
Leon\Ryu
Auron\Squall
Sepiroth\Missingno

I believe that Zelda will beat Jecht,and Tifa will beat Big Daddy
Sora will beat Bowser and Charizard will beat L block
No idea about Leon\Ryu and Auron\Squall (Probably Squall)
Sepiroth Missingno...is debeatable (Missingno can stay with the power he had in the last two matches,or go like L-Block and gain a massive popularity because he made it to round 3..)
Dilated Chemist | Posted 3/6/2010 3:21:27 AM | message detail
Fact/Fiction: Mario and Mega Man will both break 70% against their Round 3 opponents.
Fact/Fiction: Atleast 2 Pokemon characters will reach the Division Finals.
Fact/Fiction: Auron/Squall will be the closest match of the Sprite Round.

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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 3/6/2010 3:43:50 AM | message detail

From: janembaman | #218
So..the only "hard" matches left in this round are
Bowser\Sora
L-Block\Charizard
Leon\Ryu
Auron\Squall
Sepiroth\Missingno

I believe that Zelda will beat Jecht,and Tifa will beat Big Daddy
Sora will beat Bowser and Charizard will beat L block
No idea about Leon\Ryu and Auron\Squall (Probably Squall)
Sepiroth Missingno...is debeatable (Missingno can stay with the power he had in the last two matches,or go like L-Block and gain a massive popularity because he made it to round 3..)


If Charizard loses... man, just wtf?

Ryu will win.

Squall will probably win.

Sephiroth will win.

And I'm fairly confident in Bowser.
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KingBartz | Posted 3/6/2010 3:53:22 AM | message detail
Fiction: Mega Man will not break 70%
Fiction: Charizard will be the only pokemon to reach the Division Finals.
Fact: Auron/Squall will be the closest match of the Sprite Round.

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Japago | Posted 3/6/2010 3:55:17 AM | message detail
Bowser\Sora
L-Block\Charizard
Leon\Ryu
Auron\Squall
Sepiroth\Missingno

Bowser, KH hasn't looked good in this contest at all. The bracket has Sora though...

Charizard, L-Block doesn't look like it has a bandwagon this contest.

Ryu. This could be a good match next year, but T vs C and SSFIV hype make this easy for Ryu.

Squall. He and Vincent have looked locked into the top non-nobles and in the same league as Crono/Sonic/Mega Man.

Sephiroth. That bandwagon would need a REALLY big jump from barely beating Yoshi to beating Sephiroth.

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/6/2010 4:14:22 AM | message detail
Ryu. This could be a good match next year, but T vs C and SSFIV hype make this easy for Ryu.

Also, Leon got a pic that is even worse than Solid **** and Elevator Ganon.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 3/6/2010 4:18:48 AM | message detail
someone remind me what Elevator Ganon was?
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 3/6/2010 4:21:15 AM | message detail
Fact/Fiction: Mario and Mega Man will both break 70% against their Round 3 opponents.
Fact for Mario. Fiction for Mega. Ryu isnt that weak...I think <_<

Fact/Fiction: Atleast 2 Pokemon characters will reach the Division Finals.
Because like a nimrod, I bet on Snake > Seph. Fiction

Fact/Fiction: Auron/Squall will be the closest match of the Sprite Round.
Fiction. Sora/Bowser or Block/Zard

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Achromatic | Posted 3/6/2010 4:25:48 AM | message detail
Mega Man is going to pimp slap Ryu <_<
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/6/2010 4:31:49 AM | message detail
someone remind me what Elevator Ganon was?

Ganondorf's second round match pic.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/6/2010 4:33:52 AM | message detail
This is seriously awful. Ganon's just struggling not to get friggin' doubled in most of these updates now.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 3/6/2010 4:34:01 AM | message detail
Of this contest?

Why is it called Elevator Ganon to be precise <_<?
I mean yeah it sucked complete balls but why Elevator?
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Denzokuken | Posted 3/6/2010 4:45:00 AM | message detail
holy Sonic... it's gonna take a serious performance to upend him as Star of the Round after this. Still a beast it would seem, and even better, this makes Lightning look great.
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/6/2010 4:45:34 AM | message detail
Of this contest?

Why is it called Elevator Ganon to be precise <_<?
I mean yeah it sucked complete balls but why Elevator?


I'd say that Leon's sprite has a very good case for being the worst pic of the entire contest, if not the absolute worst pic ever.

Because someone said it was as if Ganondor farted on an elevator and is trying not to laugh about it so that they don't realize it's him.

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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/6/2010 5:27:33 AM | message detail
Ok where is my props people? I totally called this. Sonic is the hero. Sonic is the best. Sonic is the #7 and would whip Mega Man.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 3/6/2010 5:36:37 AM | message detail
Mega Man should have no trouble breaking 70% on Hayabusa. Snake did it, so why can't sprite round Mega Man a week after MM10 comes out? Especially against NES Hayabusa
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/6/2010 5:41:50 AM | message detail
It just means Ganondorf is awful, which is great news for everyone!

Yoshi has always looked decent, and in 2006 he looked really good. Luigi looked almost as good in 2006 as in 2005. Bowser has been really strong every year.

Yoshi let Riku get 45% on him. That wasn't good based on what we've seen from Riku ever since, and Yoshi looked awful last year. Besides, something has shifted if we go from Bowser > Yoshi in 2003 and Yoshi > Luigi in 2004 to Luigi > Bowser in 2008. I don't really believe in this whole "4-ways make certain characters look weaker" stuff either.

2005 was Ryu's weakest year. I wouldn't say it was JUST Bowser boosting. Besides this, you'll always have variation in stats.

2005 was Ryu's weakest year, sure, I'm willing to buy that, but not to the point where Bowser gets 59% on him and then loses to him two years later. That's more than just random variation. Not to mention, 2005 was the Year of Nintendo anyway. Everything Nintendo did well that contest, quite literally.

Oh, and I think the "Villians Contest" argument is bogus. People aren't just going in to a poll in 2005 and going "Hey, he did well in the Villains contest this spring! I'll vote for him because of that!"

And yet it's pretty clear Bowser and Ganondorf benefited from it. Their bracket support that year was ridiculous. Ganondorf had 67.25% getting to round 3 (which included beating Auron). Samus had 85.98% getting to round 3, and it dropped to 49.86% after beating Ganondorf, which is ridiculous. Same thing with Bowser. He had 64.04% getting to round 3, which included beating Ryu,
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/6/2010 5:42:22 AM | message detail
Snake did it, so why can't sprite round Mega Man a week after MM10 comes out?

Because Snake's a lot stronger than Mega Man, that's why.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 3/6/2010 5:46:36 AM | message detail
I know I took Ganondorf > Samus (it was my first contest being on Board 8, shut up)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/6/2010 5:48:01 AM | message detail
In brighter news, Lightning is now up to 43.20% on Ganondorf, and Ken and Wesker have both fallen below SFF'd Knuckles and Cecil.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 3/6/2010 5:57:49 AM | message detail
Well as much as I was made fun of for Ezio/Zack -- At least Ryu and Sonic vindicated me. It's like I've said from the beginning they are at their strongest in 1v1s, and they are stronger now than they've ever been in the past. You can blame Ganondorf's sprite -- but really Sonic has never been projected to do this well on Ganondorf. Err...I think. He's going to massacre Kirby

Also Sonic > Mega Man easily.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/6/2010 6:06:12 AM | message detail
I did kinda expect Ganondorf to at least break 45%, so it is a bit of a disappointment. Of course, this is the same guy that was SFFd to Gordon Freeman's level last year by a character traditionally bad at using SFF, so what can I say?

On a side note, remember that Vincent and Auron were likely benefitting from 4-ways due to being big fan favorites. Ugh...here are some matches that I want to see:

1) Vincent vs. a non-Clinkeroth Noble Niner
2) Tifa vs. a non-Clinkeroth Noble Niner
3) Zelda vs. a non-Clinkeroth Noble Niner
4) Gordon Freeman vs. Magus or Frog
5) Tidus vs. Yuna or Rikku

Okay, I just thought of that rather quickly without much thought. What do you think?
CJaM613 | Posted 3/6/2010 6:10:04 AM | message detail
Sonic beats every non-n9 character. Especially MissingNo lol.
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irriadin | Posted 3/6/2010 6:14:18 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #240
1) Vincent vs. a non-Clinkeroth Noble Niner
2) Tifa vs. a non-Clinkeroth Noble Niner
3) Zelda vs. a non-Clinkeroth Noble Niner
4) Gordon Freeman vs. Magus or Frog
5) Tidus vs. Yuna or Rikku


1. I'm thinking Vincent can beat Crono, Sonic, Megaman. The rest are out of his reach.
2. Really unsure here, but I think she may just have a shot at beating Crono.
3. Same as above.
4. I actually think Gordon would win rather comfortably.
5. At first thought, I was thinking "Yuna or Rikku" but it's really hard for me to imagine Tidus losing to them. Despite all evidence to the contrary, I think Tidus would win :/

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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 3/6/2010 6:15:24 AM | message detail
Ok where is my props people? I totally called this. Sonic is the hero. Sonic is the best. Sonic is the #7 and would whip Mega Man.

even a broken Curt is right twice a day
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Japago | Posted 3/6/2010 6:36:08 AM | message detail
1) Vincent vs. a non-Clinkeroth Noble Niner
2) Tifa vs. a non-Clinkeroth Noble Niner
3) Zelda vs. a non-Clinkeroth Noble Niner
4) Gordon Freeman vs. Magus or Frog
5) Tidus vs. Yuna or Rikku


None of them would beat the 2nd tier noble niners. (Mario, Samus, Snake)

1. I would take Vincent over Sonic and Crono.
2. Tifa over none.
3. Zelda over none.
4. Gordon over both.
5. Yuna and Rikku over Tidus





I wasn't around for the match so you guys have probably went over it a ton, but I'm tired of making excuses in my head for Dante. Ryu still over Dante next year, right? Do you guys think the 2 games made a difference for Ryu? I'm really tired of there always being an excuse for Dante, so I hope he gets into a match where there's not 1 inkling of an excuse. Sorry, I'm too much of a fanboy of the DMC games.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/6/2010 6:38:45 AM | message detail
I put Gordon Freeman vs. Magus or Frog there just to humiliate the loser. Either GFNW returns from the dead, or we get a situation that would've been completely unimaginable in 2003 or 2004 (somebody who broke 35% on Link at one time or somebody who got surprisingly close to breaking the Noble Nine despite struggling with MASTER CHIEF the previous round losing to a character that was having trouble winning a match at the same timeframe).

Oh, how things change in 6/7 years. I chuckle at the mere thought of Freeman > Magus. Heck, the mere thought of Freeman breaking 45% on Magus is funny.
Kotetsu534 | Posted 3/6/2010 6:47:03 AM | message detail
If we have a games contest we could get DMC3 in and see how popular it actually is!

I'd take Vincent over Crono, but not over Sonic or MM. Wouldn't amaze me if he pulled those matches off though. Tifa and Zelda over none, but I'd be excited for Tifa/Crono or Zelda/Crono. Freeman over both Frog and Magus (uh, surely 38% on Tifa is better than 36% on Bowser). I'd take Yuna > Tidus, regardless of how they stand indirectly. Tidus/Rikku would be tougher... probably pick Rikku.

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Japago | Posted 3/6/2010 6:47:48 AM | message detail
I think Gordon would have it easily. 38% on Tifa vs 37% on Bowser (Frog) and somebody who got 42% on Alucard (Magus)? Now that I look at it, Frog over Magus? Was that far fetched back then?

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/6/2010 6:52:41 AM | message detail
Sonic is nearing .. 57/58%? Why did we ever doubt him.
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Iamthekuzalol | Posted 3/6/2010 6:54:14 AM | message detail
1) Vincent vs. a non-Clinkeroth Noble Niner
2) Tifa vs. a non-Clinkeroth Noble Niner
3) Zelda vs. a non-Clinkeroth Noble Niner
4) Gordon Freeman vs. Magus or Frog
5) Tidus vs. Yuna or Rikku


1) Vincent might win against Crono but don't think he can beat Sonic or MM next year especially when they are boosted a little by Sonic4/MM10.
2) Don't think Tifa is stronger than Vincent/Squall/Auron so no.
3) Think Zelda is maybe around Tifa's strength so no.
4) Gordon most probably beat them
5) Very hard match, think Tidus is indirectly around as strong as Yuna/Rikku. In a SFF match, don't know who will win though.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/6/2010 6:54:21 AM | message detail
Mega Man should have no trouble breaking 70% on Hayabusa. Snake did it, so why can't sprite round Mega Man a week after MM10 comes out? Especially against NES Hayabusa

Because Mega Man isn't Snake!
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