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I don't mind the gap narrowing; I think that's reasonable. But there's no way Kefka loses that match and I don't think it's ever in doubt.

And Kefka performed better than Alucard on Arthas, did pretty good on Bowser, and Terra is validating his performance today. It's time to give him some damn credit!
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Yeah, but then you have to bring Frog along for the ride, so how far are you willing to bring Frog up to? Kefka has plenty of reason to be better, but Frog? Ehhhhhhhhhhhh
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/2/2010 4:33:14 PM | message detail
I just realized that this marks our second NRT guy that got screwed in the first round. Poor Cid, poor Revan.

Cid had an excuse, there was a Mega Man in the way. Terra is no Noble Niner. Revan dropped the ball imo

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101/118 points - The Great GameFAQs Character Battle VIII
NP: Auron > Zero | Squall Leonhart > Darth Revan

Squall - 50.00%
Auron - 50.00%
Bowser - 50.00%
Alucard - 44.33%
Zero - 43.31%
Aerith - 42.36%
Kefka - 38.32%
Frog - 36.78%
Magus - 36.78%
Terra - 36.00%
Darth Revan - 33.21%
Akuma - 31.99%
Arthas Menethil - 30.22%
Marcus Fenix - 28.44%

I love this!

Frog's always been below 33% on Crono, and recently it's looked closer to 31%, so assuming 33%, that gives Crono 55.14% on Squall, and the same on Vincent if you assume Vincent = Squall still. CTDS Boost lives, only it turns out the Dissidia Boost was way bigger!
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi

Well, he's just saying that Revan probably wins that match pre-Dissidia, and I'd obviously agree with him. He just got unlucky to face Terra the first time he'd actually lose that match.
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rofl, no way crono would hit 55.4 on squall, infact I think he'd lose to squall
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hmmmmmmmm

I don't think you really need to give Frog too much credit. Even if Bowser's up to 34% on Link - which is probably too high even for me - Frog's still down at 25% which is around or below his historical levels (I'd guess he was at 27% when he tied MC in 2004).
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There's little doubt that Kefka > Terra before Dissidia, and I know I've seen more Kefka-clips and SMACK!-talk than anything Terra-related. Kefka's picture also did him more justice than Terra's to me, though that could just be the framing of the picture -- I liked Terra's pic more when it was the whole picture.

RPGuy may be onto something I wouldn't have believed pre-contest.
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I would take Terra>Kefka with some ease. Kefka can only be so strong, considering he barely did better than Frog.

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youre crazy.. Kefka would dominate terra easily.
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hmmmmmmmm

*looks at today's match*

Nope.

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From: RPGuy96 | #157
I don't think you really need to give Frog too much credit. Even if Bowser's up to 34% on Link - which is probably too high even for me - Frog's still down at 25% which is around or below his historical levels (I'd guess he was at 27% when he tied MC in 2004).

I'm talking more about the proportion to Squall, Aerith, and Zero more than anything else, which obviously involves the Kefka/Terra ratio. Putting Squall = Bowser is going to make Terra/Kefka a close match regardless of how you look at it, and I'm not willing to give Bowser the kind of credit to 55/45 Squall yet. If he goes out and 55/45s Sora next round, then we can talk, but until then, I'm skeptical.
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yep
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What, you mean doing worse on Bowser than Terra is doing on Squall?

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A lot of Dissidia discussion here. That game has not a goddamn effect in this contest, except for providing good pictures for Kefka and Terra.

The theory of a Dissidia boost is that it helps Old Square characters because it gives them exposure to a new fanbase. It would make sense, except that the only people likely to buy Dissidia are Final Fantasy fans in the first place. Squall fans are not suddenly going to switch to Terra en masse because to some cameo effect in some handheld fighting game.

The one thing Dissidia did do is give Terra and Kefka some pics. Terra's pic today is terrible, but at least she is not the generic blonde chick she was before Dissidia.

Also, New Square / Old Square SFF has been thorough disproved at this point. Has there even been a single example of significant New / Old Square SFF in contest history?

Well, the real reason those numbers look so strange is that Squall has looked much stronger than Bowser since 2006, except for today. It's not a problem with Frog or Kefka, but with Squall and Bowser.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi

and I'm not willing to give Bowser the kind of credit to 55/45 Squall yet. If he goes out and 55/45s Sora next round, then we can talk, but until then, I'm skeptical.

All right, we'll talk after Bowser gets his easy 55% then. I don't mind waiting a week or so!
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wat? He hit 38.32 on bowser. Thats a decent bit more. Not to mention Bowser has looked like a beast this contest. Unlike last year.
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hmmmmmmmm

From: MetricTrout | #165
That game has not a goddamn effect in this contest, except for providing good pictures for Kefka and Terra.

This is Black Turtle esque. Its like you haven't even seen the matches with old school characters from Dissidia.

Yeah, Cecil goes from being doubled by Wario or whatever it was, to nearly beating Knux just cuz of a slightly different pic. Yeah.
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Oh, and if you're all going to follow this, then I get to argue Vivi>Kirby and possibly Sonic as he doubles Liquid through his performances.

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But I guess Bowser can get a big boost from Bowser's Inside Story! He's certainly worthy of it with the role he had in that game!
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"Spoil it for me. I'm never going to play that game so I want to know if he's going to be another Auron or another Sin." - Soul about Jecht vs. PW

If you want to argue that Bowser is somehow stronger, then you also have to reconcile Frog, and reconcile that with how Magus and Crono did.

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hmmmmmmmm

Although Squall got 60.63% against Sora in round 3 in 2007, which is possibly the "fairest" match they had, if any 4-way match can be considered "fair."
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From: KamikazePotato | #172
If you want to argue that Bowser is somehow stronger, then you also have to reconcile Frog, and reconcile that with how Magus and Crono did.

Castlevania revival! Look at Simon Belmont!

And Missingno will validate Crono when he doubles Yoshi tomorrow!
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The one thing Dissidia did do is give Terra and Kefka some pics. Terra's pic today is terrible, but at least she is not the generic blonde chick she was before Dissidia. [...] Also, New Square / Old Square SFF has been thorough disproved at this point. Has there even been a single example of significant New / Old Square SFF in contest history?

How about Cecil though? He had a good picture in 2008 but looked like his 2005-self and performed just as bad again, then went on to fight tooth and nail with Knuckles this year. In case you want to mention Zack was in his 2008-match, remember that's new-Square VS old-Square.

Dissidia really shouldn't have done much for its characters, but it's becoming clear that it's done something for at least its older characters. Fan-favorites like Cloud and Squall probably didn't boost for the same reason you gave, but those fans may not be so familiar with Kefka/Terra/Cecil, so...there's room for exposure there.
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Frog's still down at 25% which is around or below his historical levels (I'd guess he was at 27% when he tied MC in 2004).

I'm not sure if you mean 25% on BL or the Link of the year. If it's BL though, Frog was at 25% in 2005 assuming Samus 2004 = Samus 2005, so Frog being at 25% now means he's back up to his 2005 level. Which would be.....mission accomplished for CTDS!
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi

Idk, I personally think 4ways swayed people opinion on how strong bowser really is. He was stronger in 2k5/2k6. Which were 1 v 1. He hit 43% on crono in 2k6 for example. Who was estimated at around 3% above Squall.
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hmmmmmmmm

there is more spin in this topic than a tilt-a-world

But I'm okay with that as Vivi is going to win his division. Liquid is as strong as he was last year. I am going to ignore DK, because I can.

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It would make sense, except that the only people likely to buy Dissidia are Final Fantasy fans in the first place. Squall fans are not suddenly going to switch to Terra en masse because to some cameo effect in some handheld fighting game.

Probably a large chunk of the people who bought Dissidia never played a pre-FFVII game, so that's new exposure for Old Square. And to say that a fighting game can't change preferences never played Smash Bros.!
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Man, that last sentence makes no sense.

And to say that a fighting game can't change preferences means you probably never played Smash Bros.!
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And, yeah, like Harrich just said, today totally blows holes in my favorite picture theory for Kefka/Terra/Cecil. I don't care though; I'll take those guys strong any way I can get!

I'm not sure if you mean 25% on BL or the Link of the year. If it's BL though, Frog was at 25% in 2005 assuming Samus 2004 = Samus 2005, so Frog being at 25% now means he's back up to his 2005 level. Which would be.....mission accomplished for CTDS!

I'll take the expedient that Link has been mostly static since 2004. But Frog only works out to 25% if Bowser's at 34% - which, for the record, would be way higher than I'd take Sonic (30%) and about where I'd take Crono and Mega Man (33-35%). I don't think he's quite there but I'd be he's close.
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You know, with old square doing so well this contest. Cecil's performance on Knuckles might have been legit.
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hmmmmmmmm

And Squall finally breaks 64%! Don't slow down now!

And the thing with Bowser is that he was right there with Luigi last year, and Luigi certainly didn't looked like a Squall beater against Amaterasu. Crono doubled Ammy last year, and Luigi couldn't even get 60% there.

Of course, assuming Luigi = Bowser gives you Ammy > Kefka > Frog and Shadow right there with both of them, so go figure. It would seem to imply Bowser's stronger than Luigi this year, and we have no idea where Yoshi falls with this thing.
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What a fighting game like Smash Bros. does is that it makes its characters much more visible. It'll help the lesser known characters (i.e. Marth) much more than the more well known characters (Mario). It's NOT true that people who play Smash were already fans of all the characters in the game- probably some of them, yes, but not all and probably not most.

Same with Dissidia- the Old Square characters are getting exposure with New Square fans. I thought it wouldn't do very much because the game is so much less big a deal than Smash Bros.- but I guess all these Old Square characters were initially quite weak, so it didn't take much to boost them a lot. Maybe we should have seen how big a boost as strong a character as Solid Snake got from Brawl and seen that coming, but I was sure surprised.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi

Pretty sure Bowser has been stronger than luigi by a few % every year but last.
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Today's prediction: Squall - 72.98% Status: crap

Well, here's the thing: Does Zack beat Cid (and possibly Aerith as well) without Crisis Core? I really doubt it. We know that a PSP game can have some effect on Square guys who haven't had much exposure in the past. We still don't know how far-reaching that effect is, but I don't think we should have been surprised by this as we are.
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From: Sonic_Factor | #184
You know, with old square doing so well this contest. Cecil's performance on Knuckles might have been legit.

Knuckles definitely dropped IMO, the kind of boost that Cecil would need to cover that on a constant Knuckles is too much for me to believe, personally.

That said, it certainly makes it seem like Knuckles didn't drop nearly as far as I initially thought, but I don't think a Knuckles drop is in question, only the level of it.
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The idea of New Square fans getting exposure to Old Square characters through Dissidia works in theory, but this current match is disproving any sort of Dissidia effect. Terra's great performance here on Squall means not only that Dissidia caused New Square fans got exposure to Old Square, but also that it caused New Square fans to prefer Old Square characters. Which is ridiculous. This is like saying that Brawl would cause Zelda fans to prefer Meta Knight over Link.

Cecil's performance on Knuckles is sort of weird. Right now, I am sticking with the idea that Sonic characters just suck right now, though that idea has numerous flaws as well. Guess we will have to wait until Sonic vs Ganon to find out.

From: Sonic_Factor | #187
Pretty sure Bowser has been stronger than luigi by a few % every year but last.

Luigi looked better in 2007 and 2008, but we can chalk that up to LOL 4-ways. 2006 puts Bowser at 52.50% on Luigi (almost just like Squall/Auron, in fact!), so who knows.
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I'd take Zach > Cid. Zach has has more exposure. CC was very well received as well. Don't see why Cid would be a great deal stronger even prior to CC, they were both in FF7 on ps1.
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I'll take the expedient that Link has been mostly static since 2004. But Frog only works out to 25% if Bowser's at 34% - which, for the record, would be way higher than I'd take Sonic (30%) and about where I'd take Crono and Mega Man (33-35%). I don't think he's quite there but I'd be he's close.

The thing is that Frog has never been close to 37% on Crono, so it'd be very strange for him to be there now, especially as we've seen a strong trend of the strongest character in a game/series holding up through the years better than the others. So Bowser = Crono seems highly unlikely, yet people have thought Crono = Squall for a while. So either Crono = Squall or Squall = Bowser has to be false.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi

Was the problem with old Square characters really exposure?

From late 2005:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2177

A little under 45% of the site owned a copy of the game and a little under 70% had played the game before. Kefka and Terra were weak even when so much of the site had played their game.
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This is like saying that Brawl would cause Zelda fans to prefer Meta Knight over Link.

It might happen. Do we think Kirby gets 48%+ on Luigi or Bowser without Smash? I really doubt it.
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Terra is my main in Dissidia. Before Dissidia, I would have voted for Squall over her, because I thought she was lame in FFVI since she wasn't a very developed character. Now, I voted for her.

So your theory has been debunked, Mr. Trout.
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Yeah, I was quite disappointed with Luigi in Luigi/Ammy. The night match hurt him - Crono improved on Ammy in the day - but that's a lame excuse. Mario, Bowser, and Yoshi looked like champs in their matches, so I'm not sure why he did so poorly.

Time to blame the Luigi's Mansion picture aw yeah
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This is like saying that Brawl would cause Zelda fans to prefer Meta Knight over Link.

Actually, I'd say Brawl has caused Nintendo fans to prefer Meta Knight to Link. What do you think he would have gotten in 2005, and what do you think he gets now? He still gets destroyed, but it won't be as badly now.....from an x-stats perspective, it's probably a pretty large shift in fact.

Of course there is Snake. You think he'll magically revert to 2005 form whenever he faces a Nintendo character?

And New Square =/= FF8. There are plenty of people who love FF7 or FFX who only like FF8 a bit, and it wouldn't be too hard for these people to shift their preferences.
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Missingno's quest to avenge Crono - Round 2: Yoshi

I wouldn't say Bowser looks like a champ. I wasn't highly impressed with either outcome. In hindsight, it looks better, but "champ?" Not going that far. It was about what I expected.

In fact, the 2008 stats project Bowser to get 63.22%. He got 63.22%.
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