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Well Terra isnt performing as strong as i would have thought, but she's doing a good job avoiding the doubling.
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Terra doing this well is awesome. I fully expected this to be a blowout.
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Yeah, Squall/Akuma went almost exactly as it would have been expected to go based on 2007 through Geno. Squall still looks better than Ganondorf. I think this is just FFVI being better.

Forgot about this...using Geno, he predicted Akuma to get 30.55% on Squall, and Akuma actually ended up getting 31.99%. Squall got close enough to the prediction but technically under-performed with this comparison (and this ignores anything Dissidia might have done for him). Using Fenix, he predicted Zero to get 44.18% on Auron, and Zero actually ended up with 43.31%. Auron got close enough to the prediction but technically over-performed with this comparison.

Auron actually looks better against Zero than Squall against Akuma like that, and we've seen Zero a lot more and know Zero's a more respectable opponent than Akuma too...I like. Unless there are better comparisons to make, this makes Auron look all the better indirectly.
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So no-one can say for sure right?I guess it is like Ruy-Dante where Dante was the slight favorite.Oh well.
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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Auron > Squall

aint no getting off this train

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Who expected her not to be doubled, or even close to being doubled? Anybody?

Yeah, but our expectations don't mean a whole lot when it comes to a character who's at a strength that's different than we've ever seen.
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I'm taking this as rSFF. Dissidia probably made more new FF fans switch to Terra/FF6 and like her better. Squall wouldn't be gaining anything from the old FF fans.
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Going off 2k6 Mega Man and Squall the current result puts Terra at 45.88 on Zack I think.
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Character-wise Terra wasn't that much better than Squall.

Kefka blows everyone out of the water though.
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It's the exposure more than the characterization.
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Squall is so screwed
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I wonder how Zelda would do against Terra now... certainly not a total beatdown like before.
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And besides, 54% on an HK 47 tier opponent isn't something to write home about.
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This is assuming Revan is HK-47 tier, of course.
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Is there any reason he should be better barring "LOL LIGHTSABER"?
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From: Biolizard28 | #068
Is there any reason he should be better barring "LOL LIGHTSABER"?

I dunno. Are you going to pick Isaac over Terra?

I'm not.

Terra vs. L-Block, hmmm...
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Terra beating L-Block would have been amazing.
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Fact/Fiction: Missingno breaks 60% on Yoshi
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So next year, Kefka, Revan, Terra, Ken and Proto Man should have strong nomination backing. I can accept this!

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You know what pics I've always wondered why FF6 playable characters don't get?

Those official chibi pics.

http://ui25.gamespot.com/1272/charterra_2.jpg

Terra woulda done way better in the past with this... same with Celes version.

http://www.ff-fan.com/ffvi/images/characters/celes.jpg
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I'd take Terra over Isaac but only with about 51% or so. Terra over L-Block is right out.

Now that we've seen every match Auron and Squall will have this contest before facing each other, it's time for me to bring out every direct comparison between them I know to make -- add more please if I missed any common comparisons. Let's do this:


1) Against Sonic:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2922 ('07)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3290 ('08)
Advantage: Auron (48.65% < 53.85%)

2) Against Cloud one-on-one:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1770 ('04)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1341 ('03)
Advantage: Auron (23.79% < 27.8%)

3) Against Cloud in four-ways:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2912 ('07)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3297 ('08)
Advantage: Squall (26.8% < 26.82%)

4) Against Aeris:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3782 ('10)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2891 ('07)
Advantage: Squall (57.64% < 58.1%)

5) Against Tidus:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2516 ('06)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=841 ('02)
Advantage: Auron (26.18% < 27.98%)

6) Bigger favorite in their original game:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=846 ('02)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=841 ('02)
Advantage: Auron (29.83% overall, 62.97% on second place < 40.16% overall, 26.23% on second place)

7) Bigger game:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2593 ('06)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3498 ('09)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3507 ('09)
Advantage: FFX (FF8 gets 43.63% on FFX in the modern-FF poll, RBY and SSBB hurting LoZ:OoT equally says 31.41% < 34.59%)


This leaves out some key matches to consider like Squall/Solid and key games like the KH-series, so Squall should look better than this comparison gives. That said, Squall's two advantages here amount to less than half of a percent where as Auron wins five of these seven categories by at least a percent (three out of five if you discount the last two polls).

Let the debate officially begin again and the disagreements rain like monsoons.
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I suppose now is not the best time to say that I don't think this match means anything for anyone outside of Terra and Revan

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Advantage: Auron (29.83% overall, 62.97% on second place < 40.16% overall, 26.23% on second place)

Auron's number should be 73.77% on second place, not 26.23%. My bad.
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Fact, this bracket was set up to make Guybrush look almost as bad as Tanner.
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That said, Squall's two advantages here amount to less than half of a percent where as Auron wins five of these seven categories by at least a percent (three out of five if you discount the last two polls).

Yeah, but most of the advantages you gave Auron are essentially meaningless. Doing better against Cloud? Why does that even matter? It's an SFF match, and SFF isn't dished out in the same degree every time.

Doing better against Tidus in an FFX Character poll as opposed to 1-on-1? Again, why does this matter? Heck, even if Auron got 80% on Tidus 1-on-1, why would that matter?

Being from the bigger game doesn't really mean a whole lot. We just saw Auron beat Aerith, after all. Squall nearly beat Vincent, and FFVII's advantage over FFVIII is a LOT bigger than FFX's advantage over FFVIII.

The matches with Aerith are close enough to almost be a moot point, plus the differences in format to boot. The matches with Sonic...It's very obvious that being announced for Brawl mid-contest definitely helped Sonic out. Without that, Squall probably would've whipped his tail twice like Auron did.

Which brings me to the one thing I hate about this match: As much as I'm looking forward to this match, it's extremely hard to debate because there isn't really much you can point to that doesn't have some sort of reason behind the difference in performance. I will bring this up though:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2124
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2554

Vincent got 44.5% and Auron got 45.5%, but the Crono Vincent faced was stronger than the one Auron faced, and Auron was post-KHII there. Vincent was pre-DoC and AC had just leaked, so it's debatable how much that affected anything, if it really did at all. We already saw Vincent was stronger than Auron in 2006 based on their respective performances against Sonic and Crono. Throw in Squall's performance on Snake, and we can get a decent read based off of that.

Squall got 42.41% on Snake
Vincent got 47.91% on Sonic
Auron got 45.50% on Crono

Sonic got 45.01% on Snake
Crono got 49.23% on Sonic

You add all that together, and you end up with this:

Solid Snake - 50.00%
Sonic the Hedgehog - 45.01%
Crono - 44.32%
Vincent Valentine - 43.13%
Squall Leonhart - 42.41%
Auron - 40.33%

Which translates into a 52.45% win for Squall. Is there any reason for this to have shifted since then, aside from random variation (which is admittedly very possible, so who knows?). Not really. The only thing that's changed since then is that Squall's had Dissidia.
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And that just tells you how badly Sonic's fallen since then, too, sheesh. He's expected to get 55.20% on Auron based on 2006!
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^that is some impressive stuff, Leon. God damn.
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Ah, too many matches!

FFX > FFVIII here, so the lead of FFX > the lead of FFVIII.
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And holy crap, look at Squall go now.

LOL FFVI ASV indeed
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FFX > FFVIII here, so the lead of FFX > the lead of FFVIII.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2516
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Tidus isn't the lead. He's just a punk.
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Auron is more leadier than Tidus, come on then
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From: charmander6000 | #062
Character-wise Terra wasn't that much better than Squall.

Kefka blows everyone out of the water though.

lol no
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Nice excuses! The only other FFX character who's got an argument to be the lead is Yuna!

But the fact that Squall can beat Tidus that badly indicates to me that Auron's game advantage doesn't really mean a whole lot, and like I said earlier, Squall almost beat Vincent in spite of that (and Vincent's the Auron of FFVII), so I don't think that's going to be the difference maker.
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The only time Vincent went against Squall was in 2005, was it not? You can pretty much throw that result out nowadays.
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From: XxSoulxX | #091
The only time Vincent went against Squall was in 2005, was it not? You can pretty much throw that result out nowadays.

You can disregard the result itself, but you can't really disregard the precedent.
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Leon, if Squall loses to Auron I'm totally going to blame you for it. >.>
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The only thing that match shows is that once upon a time, Vincent and Squall were just about equal.

Vincent has become much, much more stronger since then though, while Squall has also become stronger (just not as much). We don't really know where they align with each other now.

And your stats are from 2006. They don't hold much salt these days. And since they all were so close to each other back then, just about anything could have pushed any of those characters on top. Four years of randomness could have shifted that entire group.
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You can't just ignore results. It wasn't all that long ago, though yes Vincent did have several things in his favor. Despite that, the only time it's okay to assume something like that would be if the character has clearly dropped off since. I don't see Vincent as having "dropped off" any at all since then. Yes, he did lose in a 4 pack with Crono after he had beaten him before but let's keep in mind Squall has never proven he can beat Crono in any situation.

It would be a close match no doubt, but I'd still take Vincent. Squall doesn't exactly look great against Terra here.
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No, I'm saying Vincent is a lot more stronger than Squall is nowadays, not the other way around.
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Glad to see that FFVIs ASV never disappoints. Terra is dropping 0.15% an update against a PS1 FF character.
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*sees result*

ok... now that one doesn't make any sense. It just doesn't.
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Terrible performance from Squall. New Square has deboosted as KH2 boost has worn off. However, hope is not lost. FF13 boost in one week away! Too bad Vivi misses a huge boost by a day

From: ExThaNemesis | #093
Leon, if Squall loses to Auron I'm totally going to blame you for it. >.>

Feel free!

Four years of randomness could have shifted that entire group.

I admitted the possibility in my own post, but all I was arguing was that Auron being from the stronger game doesn't mean he's going to win, which Squall/Vincent validates, even if Vincent did win because his game advantage is bigger than Auron's, which you've done nothing to disprove.

And if Vincent's decently stronger than Squall nowadays, it's got nothing to do with the games they're from.
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