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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 859

UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/2/2010 9:08:20 AM | message detail
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~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
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~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
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http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
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~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Poll Start Times*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Battle_8_Poll_Start_Times

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Solid Snake, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Tifa, Vincent, Zelda, Kirby, Missingno etc group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters in the past.

The Fodder Line - A final X-Stat value of 15% or below.

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/2/2010 9:09:06 AM | message detail
...Whatever.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 3/2/2010 9:09:54 AM | message detail
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/2/2010 9:12:42 AM | message detail
Squall last name is Leonheart and his best limit is called Leonheart...Conspiracy!
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 3/2/2010 9:21:47 AM | message detail
Oh wow Squall

This is awful.

I'm sure there's some rSFF involved but really, come on. People say this guy is on Vincent's level?
Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/2/2010 9:23:11 AM | message detail
He is.Terra got huge boost from Dissidia.No other way.Also a lot of pity votes I guess,I like Squall but I voted for Terra.I guess a lot of others did that too.Still if it ends as doubling all are well.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/2/2010 9:23:44 AM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #004
Oh wow Squall

This is awful.

I'm sure there's some rSFF involved but really, come on. People say this guy is on Vincent's level?


Are you saying he's not?
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 3/2/2010 9:29:28 AM | message detail
I'm not doubting that Dissidia boosted Terra. But Terra lost 80-20 to Zelda. When you consider the fact that Squall was also in Dissidia and wad by far the most impressive protagonist there it really doesn't make sense. If Squall was stronger than Zelda that's a huge difference. It's just too much for one game on the least popular current system on GameFAQs.
UltimaterializerX | Posted 3/2/2010 9:49:43 AM | message detail
...whatever
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/2/2010 9:50:10 AM | message detail
Zelda's quadrupling of Terra is like pointing to Yuna's quadrupling of Joanna Dark and saying she's as strong as Mario now.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/2/2010 9:50:34 AM | message detail
THAT's more like it, Squall!
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/2/2010 9:50:48 AM | message detail
If the match was happened again Zelda wouldn't even double her I believe.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/2/2010 9:51:05 AM | message detail
For reference, pre-Dissidia Terra:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2086
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2508
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2535
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/2/2010 9:51:10 AM | message detail
I don't trust that Zelda/Terra match. Dante/Terra is probably closer to her true strength before this contest.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 3/2/2010 9:52:19 AM | message detail
Now that Terra is proving to be strong, I can confidently say Sonic Team hasn't dropped (much), and thus Cecil is gonna be awesome next contest while the rest of you get burned as he makes it to the third round due to drawing a crappy 2 seed!
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/2/2010 9:53:03 AM | message detail
I agree Zelda/Terra's the oddball...that was one hell of a beatdown though.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/2/2010 9:53:25 AM | message detail
Chart from the night match:

Time | Auron | Zero | Votes
0:05 | 52.69% | 47.31% | 1357
1:00 | 53.83% | 46.17% | 9382
2:00 | 53.85% | 46.15% | 5653
3:00 | 55.62% | 44.38% | 4045
4:00 | 57.66% | 42.34% | 2955
5:00 | 60.21% | 39.79% | 2453
6:00 | 59.72% | 40.28% | 2351
7:00 | 58.38% | 41.62% | 2934
8:00 | 59.92% | 40.08% | 3538
9:00 | 56.87% | 43.13% | 3974
10:00 | 58.06% | 41.94% | 4113
11:00 | 56.63% | 43.37% | 4104
12:00 | 58.14% | 41.86% | 4195

Man, gotta love Square's and Mega Man's overnight Euro vote! Auron manages a 60% hour there. Zero doesn't really improve a whole lot during the morning though.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/2/2010 9:53:25 AM | message detail
Tag

And Vincent being wasted in the second round is one of several reasons why the Jenova division is so awful.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/2/2010 9:54:20 AM | message detail
Yeah, Terra's strong showing makes Revan, Bowser, and Knuckles look better, that's for sure.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/2/2010 9:54:28 AM | message detail
The Jenova division sucked.3 FF VII characters and all 3 are strong!Come on now!Who thought of that?
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LOLContests | Posted 3/2/2010 9:54:46 AM | message detail
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 3/2/2010 9:56:15 AM | message detail
Dissidia is not that big a deal especially when Squall should be SFF'ing her Dissidia vote. I'm not saying she didn't boost but Squall=Vincent is just out of the question now. I'd say he's more on the level of Dante or Ryu. Yeah Zelda did overperform but even looking at her other matches...
Jmast7 | Posted 3/2/2010 9:57:08 AM | message detail
Ah well, it was fun while it lasted...
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/2/2010 9:57:10 AM | message detail
Well, I can point to Vincent's performance against Guybrush and make him look pretty bad, too!
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/2/2010 9:57:36 AM | message detail
I'll also agree Sonic Team's not looking so bad now and go back to a former theory: four-ways made the Sonic-crew look worse than they really were. Ammy did rather well so Shadow looks okay, Kefka/Terra make Cecil look considerably more reasonable against Knuckles, Kratos isn't looking too bad if Charmander's a legitimate contender to win his division so Tails improves, and Sonic SFF'd Knuckles pretty harshly for previously winning a Sonic-favorite poll before. Only Lightning still makes Sonic look bad at this point, and she's a wildcard that -- while I still hate to give her credit for not having an American game out yet -- can be justified by the surrounding evidence.

Ganon may be in dangerous territory.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/2/2010 9:58:27 AM | message detail
Lightning not having a game out yet isn't really that big of a deal when everyone already knows who she is.
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TheCodeisBosco | Posted 3/2/2010 9:58:49 AM | message detail
Uh... what the heck is going on here? Terra... above 37%?

This is probably the weirdest result yet, seriously. It makes Akuma look like absolute garbage, too...

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/2/2010 9:59:14 AM | message detail
The Jenova division sucked.3 FF VII characters and all 3 are strong!Come on now!Who thought of that?

Also, four Square near-elites or higher in the same division. Everyone else other than Yoshi is either unknown (Missingno) or fodder.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 3/2/2010 9:59:21 AM | message detail
For comedy purposes, if you assume Sonic 2010 = Sonic 2005, and Knuckles is worth 40% on Sonic pre-SFF, that puts Cecil around Ryu (SF) levels.

Now imagine if Dante had lost to Cecil!
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/2/2010 9:59:40 AM | message detail
Also Squall has a great chance at going up in percent throughout the day.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 3/2/2010 9:59:42 AM | message detail
I don't think there's a reason to assume Squall is significantly weaker. He still did fine on Akuma in Round 1; it was a performance that suggested he was still at least at Ganon's level (and if you think Akuma is close to Ken, Squall beats Ganon). This is just Dissidia craziness. Maybe this match is completely legit, maybe Terra is resisting SFF, or maybe Squall is just getting anti-voted a bit. I'd find all those scenarios more likely than a significant Squall drop.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/2/2010 10:00:51 AM | message detail
Yeah, Squall/Akuma went almost exactly as it would have been expected to go based on 2007 through Geno. Squall still looks better than Ganondorf. I think this is just FFVI being better.

I just didn't think they'd look THIS much better.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 3/2/2010 10:01:08 AM | message detail
What the **** is this? Squall is not even at 63% on TERRA?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 3/2/2010 10:01:12 AM | message detail
I dunno. Auron/Aerith went almost exactly as Squall/Aerith did in 2007, for what little that's worth. You'd figure Auron would do better than that if he were affected less, at least.

Squall has always been stronger than Auron though. If Auron in 2010 got what Squall got in 07 then it does look like Squall fell a bit more than Auron at least.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/2/2010 10:01:44 AM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #034
I dunno. Auron/Aerith went almost exactly as Squall/Aerith did in 2007, for what little that's worth. You'd figure Auron would do better than that if he were affected less, at least.

Squall has always been stronger than Auron though. If Auron in 2010 got what Squall got in 07 then it does look like Squall fell a bit more than Auron at least.


Gotta assume Aerith has fallen, too, though.
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TheCodeisBosco | Posted 3/2/2010 10:08:56 AM | message detail
Man, just imagine what would have happened if Terra wasn't fed to Squall in Round Two. She could have really busted some brackets up with her newfound strength... though I guess Terra > Revan was a bracket buster in itself!

Speaking of which, I feel a little bad for giving Revan so much flack now. This weird Terra performance definitely vindicates him to an extent.

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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 3/2/2010 10:09:36 AM | message detail
Wow, impressive showing for Terra. Maybe Bowser still has a shot against Sora? Strange how old Square has looked great this year while new Square has been collectively sucking.
zenk123 | Posted 3/2/2010 10:10:27 AM | message detail
I expected Terra to get destroyed due to SFF and her mediocre pic.

What a pleasant surprise.

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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 3/2/2010 10:11:38 AM | message detail
Man, just imagine what would have happened if Terra wasn't fed to Squall in Round Two

Swap Terra with Crash. That's a night match with Hayabusa followed by a day match with Master Chief. I wonder if Terra could pull that off.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/2/2010 10:11:54 AM | message detail
Same here I thought Dissidia attracted new Sqaure fans so I thought Squall would SFF her based on that game.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 3/2/2010 10:13:29 AM | message detail
So a question for experts.Let us say Squall ends with 60%.What is the prediction for Squall-Auron?Squall wins by 51-49?And what if he ends with 65,then Squall wins by 53-47?(the numbers are random since that is why I ask the experts to tell what will happen according to stats...)
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LOLContests | Posted 3/2/2010 10:13:31 AM | message detail
Swap Terra with Crash. That's a night match with Hayabusa followed by a day match with Master Chief. I wonder if Terra could pull that off.

Please don't torture me with such glorious possibilities.
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 3/2/2010 10:13:34 AM | message detail
From the previous topic:

I wonder how many 0 bracket attempts we had this year? TRE will have to report back on the number of 0 brackets after the first match of the contest, because that had the highest prediction percentage so far this contest. I assume most of the 0 brackets after the first match of the contest were actually 0 brackets, rather than Thrall fans picking him over Link.

889 brackets got Link vs Thrall wrong.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/2/2010 10:13:56 AM | message detail
Well, I think Auron/Squall's still up in the air, but I'm favoring Auron more now than I did pre-contest. I think Squall's beat-down on Akuma is more impressive than what Auron did to Zero, though not by a lot...but when you compare their SFF-matches, I'm much more impressed with what Auron did with Aeris than Squall is doing to Terra, even if this is a new Terra who'll go down with the day-vote. Who expected her not to be doubled, or even close to being doubled? Anybody?

The problem here is that Squall still outdid Auron against Aeris...but between the new format, two and a half years separating them, and a new name for Aeris, their gap is pretty negligible since it meant Auron would get 49.45% on Squall based on her. That's easy enough to turn over by random variations and the changes in format/time/name (though that doesn't mean it WILL), so the match should rightfully be back up in the air.
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Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 3/2/2010 10:16:33 AM | message detail
So a question for experts.Let us say Squall ends with 60%.What is the prediction for Squall-Auron?Squall wins by 51-49?And what if he ends with 65,then Squall wins by 53-47?(the numbers are random since that is why I ask the experts to tell what will happen according to stats...)

It's clear Terra has boosted by a lot so this match doesn't say much about Squall. Revan was also a newcomer so we can't use him to determine how strong Terra is.
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HaRRicH | Posted 3/2/2010 10:16:44 AM | message detail
Swap Terra with Crash. That's a night match with Hayabusa followed by a day match with Master Chief. I wonder if Terra could pull that off.

Ooh, scary thought.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/2/2010 10:17:42 AM | message detail
So a question for experts.Let us say Squall ends with 60%.What is the prediction for Squall-Auron?Squall wins by 51-49?And what if he ends with 65,then Squall wins by 53-47?(the numbers are random since that is why I ask the experts to tell what will happen according to stats...)

This match doesn't really tell us anything since we don't know how much Squall has boosted though if you want to if we use a constant Terra from 2k5 Auron would almost double Squall right now.
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charmander6000 | Posted 3/2/2010 10:18:19 AM | message detail
*Terra has boosted

not Squall.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 3/2/2010 10:19:52 AM | message detail
I'm amazed by how big this Kefka/Terra/Cecil boost has been. It's pretty incredible... did Dissidia even sell that well?

And Auron/Squall looks much more interesting now, o' course.

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TheCodeisBosco | Posted 3/2/2010 10:19:55 AM | message detail
Swap Terra with Crash. That's a night match with Hayabusa followed by a day match with Master Chief. I wonder if Terra could pull that off.

Dude.

Dude.

That's brilliant! And to top it all off, Crash/Revan is a potentially debatable match as well.

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