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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 857

UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/28/2010 9:15:39 PM | message detail
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~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
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~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
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~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
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~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Poll Start Times*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Battle_8_Poll_Start_Times

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

Noble Nine - Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, Crono, Solid Snake, Sonic, Samus and Mega Man.

Near-Elite - The Squall, Auron, Tifa, Vincent, Zelda, Kirby, Missingno etc group that has come at, near or even ahead of Noble Nine characters in the past.

The Fodder Line - A final X-Stat value of 15% or below.

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 9:20:32 PM | message detail
You want a barrel roll? I've got it right here.

EAYYAAGGHHHHHHH
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 2/28/2010 9:21:46 PM | message detail
And to think, that opening line there is one of the least ridiculous parts about the last section of MGS2.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/28/2010 9:23:49 PM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 10:10:48 PM | message detail
Chart from yesterday's match:

Time | Ryu | Dante | Votes
0:05 | 48.22% | 51.78% | 1010
1:00 | 49.40% | 50.60% | 9931
2:00 | 50.36% | 49.64% | 8549
3:00 | 49.60% | 50.40% | 8105
4:00 | 49.06% | 50.94% | 7120
5:00 | 50.30% | 49.70% | 6414
6:00 | 49.75% | 50.25% | 5761
7:00 | 52.41% | 47.59% | 5756
8:00 | 51.00% | 49.00% | 5553
9:00 | 50.73% | 49.27% | 4958
10:00 | 51.54% | 48.46% | 4736
11:00 | 50.55% | 49.45% | 4255
12:00 | 51.70% | 48.30% | 3671

You guys already know how this one went.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/28/2010 10:17:36 PM | message detail
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/28/2010 10:18:13 PM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #003
And to think, that opening line there is one of the least ridiculous parts about the last section of MGS2.


You've got to beLIEve me!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/28/2010 10:19:53 PM | message detail
You've got to beLIEve me!

oh god I'm blind, how did I never notice that

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HaRRicH | Posted 2/28/2010 10:20:03 PM | message detail
I just realized the last topic had "Hockey" in it...haha, that's a weird exception I hope isn't made again until it's truly worthy, but I'm cool with that.

Also, I didn't realize the topic was about to close when I made my last post there:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/detail.php?board=8&topic=53697811&message=591310285
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 10:28:43 PM | message detail
how did I never notice that

I'm wondering the same thing!
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Evil_REmade | Posted 2/28/2010 10:35:56 PM | message detail
I suppose I should be pissed at Ryu for costing me first place >_>
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 10:41:40 PM | message detail
In unrelated news, Snake just broke 65% here.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 2/28/2010 10:42:54 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #012
In unrelated news, Snake just broke 65% here.


Oh, I'm sure KH is happy about this one. That doubling isn't too far off now.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 10:46:03 PM | message detail
I don't know why this never occurred to me before, but we're actually going to have a gauge on Fox/Pikachu through Snake!

Sure, Pikachu's going to be a little inflated because of the sprite round (unless Snake actually gets an MGS1 model please please please please), but hey, it'll work!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/28/2010 10:50:15 PM | message detail
Assuming Snake = Seph and assuming this ends at a 65/35 split, then Fox is worth 60% on Marth before SFF. If that sounds plausible to you, then you should be worried about Seph!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 10:50:39 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #015
Assuming Snake = Seph and assuming this ends at a 65/35 split, then Fox is worth 60% on Marth before SFF. If that sounds plausible to you, then you should be worried about Seph!


Sold.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 10:52:46 PM | message detail
And it also gives Squall 47.59% based on his COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY FAIR match with Fox last year! And that's probably an underperformance of, oh, about 5% or so due to Smilin' Squall.

Not to mention, Fox with a full day vote would bring this down to about, oh, 62% or so.

SQUALL > SNAKE TRAIN LEAVING THE STATION CHOO CHOO
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/28/2010 11:05:47 PM | message detail
I suppose I should be pissed at Ryu for costing me first place >_>

Huh. I'm incensed since Dante decided to roll over and die near the end, barely making any effort to keep it competitive. >_>
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 11:07:37 PM | message detail
66.57% hour for Snake there, and we're not even in the deep night Euro vote proper yet.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 11:33:57 PM | message detail
Yep, Snake is absolutely crushing Fox now. He's gained .42% in the last 30 minutes, taking in 68.60% of the vote during that time.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/28/2010 11:39:48 PM | message detail
That update was absolutely ghoulish! There's no question that Snake will reach the doubling; it's just a matter of whether he can wither the morning vote and hold it. I'd say a doubling over a guy like Fox, with a big picture contrast and an Old Snake pic (I'm still not convinced these don't affect him at all), is good.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/28/2010 11:41:38 PM | message detail
Did someone say MGS1 model?

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3417/snaaaaaakepsx.jpg
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/28/2010 11:43:45 PM | message detail
And for whatever reason, I still think that damned DMC2 pic is the reason Dante lost. A good or bad pic can make the difference in a close match, after all.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 2/28/2010 11:44:05 PM | message detail
Yay, another match where I read the intial reaction and think "Fox is pushing 40% on Snake? O.o" then vote and check the updater to go "oh".

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/28/2010 11:46:07 PM | message detail
But the only way we'll know for sure is if Leon can get anywhere near Ryu, which probably isn't happening with the sprite round and all...
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/28/2010 11:46:57 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #022
Did someone say MGS1 model?

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3417/snaaaaaakepsx.jpg


Awesome pic. I hope no one is making Solid ****. After all, if we want to get a somewhat decent Fox/Pikachu read, we need that pic to be relatively fair.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 2/28/2010 11:48:39 PM | message detail
What in the hell are you on about? There is no face pic that is any different for Dante that would have helped him in the slightest. He lost because he's weaker. That simple.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/28/2010 11:52:32 PM | message detail
What in the hell are you on about? There is no face pic that is any different for Dante that would have helped him in the slightest. He lost because he's weaker. That simple.

Don't tell me you don't believe that a good or bad picture can make a difference in a close match. I could argue that Gordon could have probably hit 55% if Peach had gotten an ugly pic and Gordon got HL2 box art. Also, Kefka.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 2/28/2010 11:53:54 PM | message detail
I do -- but read my post. I was pointing out that Dante doesn't have another picture that would have benefited him more than the one he got in the face pic round. It was an accurate representation of him, and no other picture would have affected that match.
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EternalxCourage | Posted 2/28/2010 11:55:14 PM | message detail
For example characters like Ezio, Altair and Zack are very pic dependent. Zack especially. The face pic round was always going to be disaster for Zack because of the lack of his buster sword and design. Similar things can be said of other characters, but in this round Dante didn't have a better option. Might he have done better in a full picture match, or even a sprite round? Maybe, but I think it's just a matter of Ryu being stronger.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/1/2010 12:10:36 AM | message detail
I was pointing out that Dante doesn't have another picture that would have benefited him more than the one he got in the face pic round. It was an accurate representation of him, and no other picture would have affected that match.

I beg to differ. Dante is a character who gets his strength from character design. Do you think Dante would've still lost if he had gotten, say, a pic with him pointing his guns?

For example characters like Ezio, Altair and Zack are very pic dependent. Zack especially. The face pic round was always going to be disaster for Zack because of the lack of his buster sword and design. Similar things can be said of other characters, but in this round Dante didn't have a better option. Might he have done better in a full picture match, or even a sprite round? Maybe, but I think it's just a matter of Ryu being stronger.

And Dante isn't pic dependent? Look at Dante's pic in his match against Sonic in 2004: It absolutely sucked. If a bad picture can hurt Solid Snake, there's no reason to believe that it wouldn't hurt Dante as well.
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CP724 | Posted 3/1/2010 12:45:01 AM | message detail
He lost because he's weaker

He got less voted on the day yeah, but random variance alone (let alone pics) could change the result on a different day. You can't say he's definitely weaker and decide on any sort of confidence that he'd win a rematch
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 3/1/2010 1:45:46 AM | message detail
......Oh, I just noticed I had Dante winning until Cloud instead of RYE-YOO Like I thought I did.


Better luck next year I guess.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 3/1/2010 1:56:58 AM | message detail
yeaaah
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/1/2010 3:00:22 AM | message detail
Guys, I just noticed something. Big Boss, Master Chief, Professor Layton, Riku, Captain MacMillan, Dante, and Ramza have all either underperformed/disappointed/ended up looking bad because the guy who defeated him/her ended up looking bad afterwards. Uhhh...you know what that means.
ShatteredElysium | Posted 3/1/2010 3:30:58 AM | message detail
They were all in the bottom two divisions of the bracket in 2008 weren't they?
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 3/1/2010 4:05:21 AM | message detail
7:00 | 52.41% | 47.59% | 5756
8:00 | 51.00% | 49.00% | 5553
9:00 | 50.73% | 49.27% | 4958
10:00 | 51.54% | 48.46% | 4736


Closing ceremony factor is also for real, as the drop off in votes from 8:00 to 9:00 was larger than the drop off from 9:00 to 10:00.
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Gaddswell | Posted 3/1/2010 4:16:16 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #035
Guys, I just noticed something. Big Boss, Master Chief, Professor Layton, Riku, Captain MacMillan, Dante, and Ramza have all either underperformed/disappointed/ended up looking bad because the guy who defeated him/her ended up looking bad afterwards. Uhhh...you know what that means.


2k8's division 7? So... Kirby?
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/1/2010 4:37:15 AM | message detail
This means that Kirby may disappoint to some extent against Vivi, followed by him having no chance against Sonic. And that's proof that Kirby was bandwagoned, though then again it's not like our expectations were based on stats.
MarioSuperstar | Posted 3/1/2010 4:45:51 AM | message detail
Kirby should still win regardless.
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voltch | Posted 3/1/2010 4:48:44 AM | message detail
What A fab match that was yesterday, I pray for more in the later rounds.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 3/1/2010 4:58:00 AM | message detail
Whoa Snake

This is like, the first good read we've had on Fox in years, will be interesting to see what, if anything, Snake does to Sephy.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 3/1/2010 5:08:17 AM | message detail
an Old Snake pic (I'm still not convinced these don't affect him at all)

I don't think they affect him negatively. Everyone's used to the look by now, and it only got a negative reception when it was first revealed.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 3/1/2010 5:25:57 AM | message detail
Whoa, woke up to some Snake domination. GJ Snake.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 3/1/2010 5:29:24 AM | message detail
Oh, and there's the matter of Tidus disappointing and Yuna looking bad as a result of Zack disappointing. Then Kirby getting only 57% on Rikku...everything is falling into place now, and Kirby has no chance against Sonic.
charmander6000 | Posted 3/1/2010 5:30:43 AM | message detail
Shhh... the board is suppose to be in utter shock when Sonic defeats Kirby worse than Ganondorf.
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Sonic_Factor | Posted 3/1/2010 5:50:10 AM | message detail
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paulg235 | Posted 3/1/2010 5:58:36 AM | message detail
I still think Kirby's the favourite. Auron and Kratos haven't exactly impressed, either if you were to use that logic.

Kirby will likely get around the same on Vivi as he did on Rikku. Sonic's performances thus far are questionable, and Ganondorf relies on Ken still being almost as strong as he was in 2002/3, as well as Mewtwo having a fluke year in 2008.

Sonic will likely defeat Ganon by around 1000-4000 votes, and then lose to Kirby by 2000-6000 votes.

Kirby's a rSFF beast. He's proven this in the past against Buffed Bowser in 2005, and we all talk about how Sonic's now nintendo, so why not assume that helped Kirby win along with bandwagoning?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 3/1/2010 6:04:30 AM | message detail
Sonic will likely defeat Ganon by around 1000-4000 votes, and then lose to Kirby by 2000-6000 votes.

Ganon loses to Rikku you heard it here folks
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 3/1/2010 6:09:01 AM | message detail
I still think Kirby's the favourite. Auron and Kratos haven't exactly impressed, either if you were to use that logic.

Kirby will likely get around the same on Vivi as he did on Rikku. Sonic's performances thus far are questionable, and Ganondorf relies on Ken still being almost as strong as he was in 2002/3, as well as Mewtwo having a fluke year in 2008.

Sonic will likely defeat Ganon by around 1000-4000 votes, and then lose to Kirby by 2000-6000 votes.

Kirby's a rSFF beast. He's proven this in the past against Buffed Bowser in 2005, and we all talk about how Sonic's now nintendo, so why not assume that helped Kirby win along with bandwagoning?


The problem with that is the fact that the Dream Division was a complete and total fluke.
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