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Contest Stats and Hockey Discussion - Part 856

Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 2/28/2010 4:42:22 PM | message detail
If Ryu wins I suggest we have a new fad,called Kleenex curse since he will have 0/6 debatable matches wrong!
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creativename | Posted 2/28/2010 4:42:27 PM | message detail

From: Karma Hunter | #153
I never argued there was a consensus! There wasn't one way or the other - that was the entire point. Any other opinion is revisionist history.


Now that is massively stretching it. The consensus was for Solid **** making quite a large difference, to say otherwise is just not correct.

The return of Solid **** against Bowser made an even larger impact than we expected, but the first instance was quite enough for the consensus to form.

From: PartOfYourWorld | #154
I've been a proponent of Pic Factor for years. I don't think most voters are as maniacally hardcore and nerdy about this stuff as we are;


I totally agree. It's quite possible pic is making a difference here.

There just no evidence *whatsoever* that this pic is bad for Dante, or any worse than Ryu's pic.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/28/2010 4:42:27 PM | message detail
Three's a trend. What the hell is going on
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 2/28/2010 4:42:41 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure all of us rational people can agree that the "Pic Factor" only applies in extreme cases like Solid **** and Zero Suit Samus. Dante is perfectly recognizable here, and to say otherwise is simply stupid.
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 2/28/2010 4:42:43 PM | message detail
Dante you better be coming back for real
don't give me false hopes
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Achromatic | Posted 2/28/2010 4:42:49 PM | message detail
Dante vs Ryu: Epic match?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 4:43:16 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #053
Three's a trend. What the hell is going on


HOCKEY FANS ARE OUT CELEBRATING
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/28/2010 4:43:47 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #049
Oh, and the idea of the Pic Factor being legit or not was debated in this topic for years. There was never a consensus on that matter.


It still is debated, especially with how well Kefka did.
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charmander6000 | Posted 2/28/2010 4:44:28 PM | message detail
Canada is too busy celebating while US is too depressed.
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LOLContests | Posted 2/28/2010 4:45:31 PM | message detail
I still don't understand how Snake didn't underperform with that abomination he got against Zelda in 2005. I guess there's an argument to be made that Child Zelda underperforms as well, although how a picture of someone in the form she appears in in one of OoT's most iconic (if not the most iconic) scenes can cause her to underperform is very confusing to me.
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charmander6000 | Posted 2/28/2010 4:46:54 PM | message detail
I still don't understand how Snake didn't underperform with that abomination he got against Zelda in 2005. I guess there's an argument to be made that Child Zelda underperforms as well, although how a picture of someone in the form she appears in in one of OoT's most iconic (if not the most iconic) scenes can cause her to underperform is very confusing to me.

Which probably shows you that pictures only make a large difference in extreme cases.


Heck if you wanted you could say the reason Ryu won is because he's the top option.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 4:47:34 PM | message detail

From: LOLContests | #060
I still don't understand how Snake didn't underperform with that abomination he got against Zelda in 2005. I guess there's an argument to be made that Child Zelda underperforms as well, although how a picture of someone in the form she appears in in one of OoT's most iconic (if not the most iconic) scenes can cause her to underperform is very confusing to me.


Snake was strong enough that it didn't matter, I guess. I still remember the UNDERSNAKER comments about that match pic though.

Didn't Zelda have the child pic when Vincent walloped her in 2007?

*checks*

Yep.
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creativename | Posted 2/28/2010 4:47:57 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #254
I'm pretty sure all of us rational people can agree that the "Pic Factor" only applies in extreme cases like Solid **** and Zero Suit Samus. Dante is perfectly recognizable here, and to say otherwise is simply stupid.


Pic factor I'm sure applies more widely than that - and probably plays a large role in many matches where it was never even mentioned as an issue before or after. If we had some sort of split-testing data, I'm sure we'd find all sorts of weird "Wow, that picture did so much better than that other picture?" type of stuff that would surprise us.

The thing here is a) that this is not some extreme case of horribly ugly picture; b) there's no evidence this hurts Dante's performance; c) Dante's performance isn't out of line with what was expected going into the match - this was thought to be a close match. I'm pretty sure the Oracle consensus for Dante will be under 51%.

From: UltimaterializerX | #258
It still is debated, especially with how well Kefka did.


Debated in specific instances. Not debated in the sense of "it does not exist ever".
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 4:52:49 PM | message detail
Dante is stalling now. It was looking like Ryu was just going to pull away for the rest of the match, but maybe not!

Still on pace for closest wire-to-wire ever!
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 2/28/2010 4:53:37 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure all of us rational people can agree that the "Pic Factor" only applies in extreme cases like Solid **** and Zero Suit Samus.

I'm sure Pic Factor applies more widely than that. *coughKEFKAhack*
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 2/28/2010 4:54:23 PM | message detail
This is not a bad Dante picture though. There pretty much are no bad Dante pictures besides Viewtiful Dante.
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creativename | Posted 2/28/2010 4:54:54 PM | message detail
Dante Stallda?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/28/2010 4:56:04 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k5/b37.jpg

Ceej had it out for Snake.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 4:56:13 PM | message detail
As someone who's only played a little bit of DMC, that's not a bad pic of Dante. It's not a good pic either, and I think characters like Dante are probably more picture sensitive than others because they depend more on image than others. Ryu doesn't really depend on image.
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TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 2/28/2010 4:56:39 PM | message detail
Is that a Metal Gear Acid picture?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 4:57:04 PM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #068
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k5/b37.jpg

Ceej had it out for Snake.


http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k5/br51.jpg

Oh really
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Karma Hunter | Posted 2/28/2010 4:57:25 PM | message detail
There's not evidence that Zelda didn't do better (or worse) in that match than she should have, anyway. Snake's entire 2k5 path (Sora, Bowser) is a mess.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 2/28/2010 4:59:08 PM | message detail
damnit dante why couldn't you do this 131 votes ago
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 2/28/2010 4:59:36 PM | message detail

From: TheKoolAidShoto | Posted: 2/28/2010 7:56:39 PM | #070
Is that a Metal Gear Acid picture?


ACID IN MY FACE

But yeah, I think it is.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/28/2010 5:01:39 PM | message detail
1 a.m. now in London. Even with East Asia now waking up, this stall is surprising me.
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ZFS | Posted 2/28/2010 5:03:21 PM | message detail
Pictures can certainly have an effect on characters, especially when it completely alters their normal look. The thing is, DMC2 Dante doesn't look bad and it doesn't change his design. The people who are hating on that pic know that it's from DMC2 and hate it because it represents the game. Most voters couldn't tell you where which DMC game Dante's pics come from -- this could be from DMC1 for all they know. Now, it is close enough that switching to a better pic could flip the result, but all you're doing there is giving Dante a pic advantage instead of leveling the field. This pic of Ryu isn't the best thing he's ever gotten, there are plenty out there that are better. So if you give him a DMC3 pic, then we're fixing Ryu's pic, too, and ultimately we end up where we are now. Pretty much the same result.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 2/28/2010 5:03:48 PM | message detail
Time | Ryu | Dante
01:00 | 49.39% | 50.61%
02:00 | 50.36% | 49.64%
03:00 | 49.60% | 50.40%
04:00 | 49.06% | 50.94%
05:00 | 50.30% | 49.70%
06:00 | 49.75% | 50.25%
07:00 | 52.41% | 47.59%
08:00 | 51.00% | 49.00%

Ryu takes no pleasure in blowing his opponents out, and has slowed down.
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 2/28/2010 5:04:24 PM | message detail
What these percentages mean exactly?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/28/2010 5:05:11 PM | message detail

From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | #078
What these percentages mean exactly?


Their percentage in each hour.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 2/28/2010 5:06:05 PM | message detail
9:00 - time for a 55% hour for Dante
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 5:06:46 PM | message detail
Looks like the post-hockey frenzy is over.
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 2/28/2010 5:07:00 PM | message detail
christ, the 7:00 hour was brutal to Dante
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 2/28/2010 5:07:35 PM | message detail
What these percentages mean exactly?

The percentage of votes both characters got during each hour. Like in the last hour, Ryu got 51.00% of the votes.
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ZFS | Posted 2/28/2010 5:07:41 PM | message detail
Gotta keep it close so it's a good match !

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Dr_Football | Posted 2/28/2010 5:07:44 PM | message detail
130 sure seems popular
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creativename | Posted 2/28/2010 5:07:52 PM | message detail
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 2/28/2010 5:08:10 PM | message detail
If 6:00-7:00 didn't happen, is Dante still in the lead?
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creativename | Posted 2/28/2010 5:08:23 PM | message detail
Yeah they seem to be labeled with what the hour ended at, which is confusing.

RPGuy just messing with us ^_^
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 5:08:31 PM | message detail
Lead last 6 updates:

130
141
131
130
130
126
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Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted 2/28/2010 5:09:19 PM | message detail
Ah okay thanks.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 5:09:32 PM | message detail

From: KleenexTissue50 | #087
If 6:00-7:00 didn't happen, is Dante still in the lead?


Ryu swung 278 votes in that hour, so Dante would still be up 148 votes.
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paraboxx | Posted 2/28/2010 5:11:22 PM | message detail
I liked it better when we were blaming hockey for Ryu losing.

Ryu fans more creative confirmed
ZFS | Posted 2/28/2010 5:11:33 PM | message detail
You can always tell how little the major East Asian countries contribute to a match with that map of the world -- China, Korea, and Japan are all for Ryu, but he's still losing 55-45.

damn you philippines and indonesia

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 2/28/2010 5:11:43 PM | message detail
6:00-7:00, worst hour ever.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/28/2010 5:13:04 PM | message detail
Deviating from the norm!
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charmander6000 | Posted 2/28/2010 5:15:11 PM | message detail
I liked it better when we were blaming hockey for Ryu losing.

It was, didn't you see the large influx of voters? It has clearly died down now.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 2/28/2010 5:15:37 PM | message detail
6:00-7:00, worst hour ever.

More like the hour that made me the winner of the guru contest instead of you ;)
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 2/28/2010 5:17:48 PM | message detail
grr
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EternalxCourage | Posted 2/28/2010 5:19:03 PM | message detail
Dernerner...Ryu > Dante is awesome.

However, if you think the pic is affecting the outcome you are ridiculous. There is no difference in that pic than in any other face pic Dante could have gotten. Dante looks the same in every game for ****s sake.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 2/28/2010 5:21:18 PM | message detail
Why would the source of the pic matter, especially since most haven't even played DMC2? It's not like Auron's action figure pic or the occasional fanart has ever hurt anyone.
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