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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 841

EternalxCourage | Posted 2/20/2010 7:51:56 AM | message detail
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/20/2010 7:52:13 AM | message detail
Simon's performance was close to Tails, and Tails impressed like hell against Kratos, so I do think this is a sudden spike in Simon's strength more than Ezio looking pathetic.
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/20/2010 7:53:32 AM | message detail
Although, I was the first person to talk about both silent protagonist LFF and CT/CV SFF, so it's not remarkable that I find them to be intuitively reasonable ideas. Besides they make Crono look good, which is the whole point of all this stats manipulation.......isn't it?
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EternalxCourage | Posted 2/20/2010 7:54:20 AM | message detail
Like Red said, Alucard has looked really good this contest, on top of a possible CV boost and there not being an accurate read on Simon there's at least the outside shot that Simon is relatively strong. In which case Ezio still has a shot at Zelda. That's the only thing I'm trying to gain for it, and you can usually get stats to say what you want.

That said, realistically I am expecting Zelda to beat Ezio about 55-45.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/20/2010 7:55:48 AM | message detail
ToS/Nintendo makes more sense to me, since at least ToS was on the Gamecube and one of the few big third-party games for it, not to mention being easily the biggest Tales game on GameFAQs.

CT/Castlevania... What the hell do they share? Castlevania's most well-known games are on the NES and PS1. Super Castlevania 4 is a loved game, but even then I don't see how it would overlap with CT, especially since they came out on opposite ends of the SNES's life span.

I guess there's Red Hair SFF?
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EternalxCourage | Posted 2/20/2010 7:56:01 AM | message detail
Character A gets this % on Character B, Character C beats Character A and therefore must get this % at least on Character B.

That logic doesn't always work in this contest, especially considering the circumstances

You're right. x-stats are completely worthless in any and all situations, especially 1v1.


Let's try and have some reading comprehension here and point out the operative word in my sentence.

(Sorry, had to make that more clear, obviously.)
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voltch | Posted 2/20/2010 7:56:40 AM | message detail
Man this round has been boring so far, heck debatable matches between characters no one cares about can't really get me excited, so come on vivi/Altair, bring on the entertainment.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 2/20/2010 7:57:33 AM | message detail
You're right Curt. You said that x-stats don't always hold up. They can be safely ignored when they don't support the result you want.

Which circumstances make this an exception?
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rSFF perhaps?
Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/20/2010 7:58:24 AM | message detail
Actually, red hair SFF does make the most sense for me. Look at how popular characters with crazy hair like Cloud and Crono do! Headwear is also popular here!

Obviously what we need to do is nominate more people with red hair for a fair comparison!
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/20/2010 7:58:51 AM | message detail
CT and Castlevania just feel like the kind of games that the same group of people would play. I think from just looking at the match results, there's a decently good case for it, whether or not it makes sense intuitively.
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Master Moltar | Posted 2/20/2010 8:07:09 AM | message detail
Hyrule Division: Round 2 - Match 72 – (7) Vivi vs. (2) Altair

Moltar’s Analysis

Vivi
Round 1 - 56.29% vs. Donkey Kong

Some things never change

Altair
Round 1 - 59.12% vs. Liquid Snake

And others things do….big time.

Well Altair made a believer out of me. His performance against Liquid was easily one of the most impressive performances of Round 1. Took a match that seemed to favor Liquid and just spanked him. It’s even more impressive considering how much Ezio sucked it up in his match.

Meanwhile, nothing has changed between DK and Vivi over the years. Both do look weaker these days, so maybe they’re falling at the same rate?

Anyway, I like Altair here now that Round 1 has passed. Going from killing Lucario to losing to Duke is one thing, but he’s already beaten Liquid easily this year, so the sky’s the limit.

Moltar’s Bracket: Liquid > Vivi (whoops)

Moltar’s Prediction: Vivi: 48% - Altair: 52%



Lopen’s Analysis

I do not feel good about Vivi here. Dude did almost identically against Donkey Kong as last time, but man I just knew that either Liquid Snake would beat Vivi, or Altair with his stealthy ways would prove to be Liquid's foil, as stealthy folk often are, and he would go on to trash Vivi.

Lo in taking Liquid out so decisively, I'm pretty sure he's going to dispatch Vivi with some ease.

If nothing else, just think of it like this. "Liquid Snake vs Donkey Kong, who ya got?" Day match certainly doesn't hurt the assassin either, as he dresses in white to blend in with daylight. How cunning!

Lopen's prediction:
Altair with 55.33%



Transience’s Analysis

Screw analysis, I'm going to go straight x-stats on this one.

1.) Would Vivi get 59% on Liquid Snake? Probably not.
2.) Would Altair get 56% on Donkey Kong? Probably.
3.) If Altair and Vivi were equal, Donkey Kong would get 53.24% on Liquid Snake. Would I pick Donkey Kong to beat Liquid Snake with 53%? Hell, I'd be skeptical of picking him to win period.

Vivi has to hope that there are some loyal Square voters because, by the numbers, he looks like the weaker character by a good margin. That picture doesn't really accentuate his black mage features, either.

transience's prediction: Altair with 54.67%



Ngamer’s Analysis

Quickie w/ Ng: Would love to stick with my bracket, but... sorry, not in a Day Match!

Ngamer Says: Altair > Vivi, 50.03%



Kleenex’s Analysis

This is the first time I'm doing this, but I'm going against my bracket here. The way Altair absolutely wrecked Liquid and the way Vivi...kinda didn't do the same to DK has me worried enough that I'm gonna go against my bracket. Plus there's the fact that this is a day match...

I dunno, I feel like Vivi's probably always been a little overrated in strength, and I think Altair can take advantage of that here. We'll see.


Bracket: Vivi
Favorites: Vivi
Prediction: Altair with 52.01%
Master Moltar | Posted 2/20/2010 8:07:20 AM | message detail
Red Sox’s Analysis

Before the contest, Vivi was the favorite in this match, and most people had him advancing over Liquid Snake. Altair shattered those expectations with his 59-41 demolition of Liquid in round 1, which established him as the clear favorite here. Vivi should be stronger than Liquid, but not by any massive amount. Liquid established himself as a decent midcarder after MGS4 with his impressive 45% on Luigi and then 43% on Megaman X. He may have fallen backward somewhat this year, but going by the other MGS characters, probably not by very much.

Altair’s 59% on Liquid, then, looks very very good. It was probably helped along to the tune of a percent or two by the day match- but this is a day match also, so Altair will have the same advantage here. He got a large boost from AC2 since last year, but remember that he started off already at a decently high level- he was Duke’s equal who put up 39% on Zack. Vivi does have winning chances here, but I think Altair probably takes it in a walk.

Prediction: Altair with 56.56%
Upset Potential: 15%
Upper Bound: Altair with 62%
Lower Bound: Vivi with 51%



Guest’s Analysis - FantasyFreak999

Hey, it's FantasyFreak999 again with my guest writeup for Vivi vs. Altair

This match has me very worried for my bracket pick. I have Vivi advancing, but Altair's performance has me a little worried about the black mage's chances. I would expect Vivi to beat out Liquid Snake by the same amount, so I'm worried for my favorite black mage. I think the lil guy can still beat the assassin, although it won't be by a lot. Let's just hope my favorite mage can win over fans with his lovability.

Vivi - 52.12%



Crew Consensus: After Round 1, Vivi goes from the favorite to only having one lone supporter. Altair is the Crew pick here.
voltch | Posted 2/20/2010 8:14:31 AM | message detail
I'll never get how Red Sox calculates his upset potentials.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/20/2010 8:28:20 AM | message detail
Looks like Vivi's going to win.

Thanks, Analysis Crew!
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 2/20/2010 8:31:12 AM | message detail
Altair with minimum 60%.

Believe!!
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 2/20/2010 8:33:08 AM | message detail
Altair's gonna win especially after Vivi got such a terrible picture.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 8:34:49 AM | message detail
Crew Curse in effect!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 8:35:14 AM | message detail
Neither Altair's nor Vivi's picture is that great, to be honest. Altair doesn't have some massive pic advantage there.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 2/20/2010 8:37:22 AM | message detail
Vivi is a pair of glowing yellow dots. Vivi is one of those characters that can benefit massively from the picture due to the Black Mage being so recognizable. He's lost all of that with that picture. Whoever made that one needs to be slapped.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 8:38:20 AM | message detail
I don't know how that doesn't look like a Black Mage. The glowing yellow eyes are a Black Mage trademark.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/20/2010 8:38:52 AM | message detail
I've seen some people say Vivi has the pic advantage, and some people say that Altair has the pic advantage.

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 2/20/2010 8:39:10 AM | message detail
The blue hood with the glowing eyes is the black mage trademark.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 2/20/2010 8:39:37 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #171
I've seen some people say Vivi has the pic advantage, and some people say that Altair has the pic advantage.


You'd have to be ****ing mad to assume Vivi has any picture advantage. We're gonna see here in about 20 minutes though.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 8:39:55 AM | message detail
Not to mention, that picture comes from Vivi's most famous scene, so if you've played FFIX, you recognize that picture.

And you can see the hood!
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 2/20/2010 8:40:11 AM | message detail
Doesn't Altair ALWAYS have the pic advantage?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 8:40:29 AM | message detail
I really don't see what's so great about Altair's pic though.

Dude's ugly.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 2/20/2010 8:40:30 AM | message detail
We actually have round 1 performances against fairly well established characters here, despite what you may think about Liquid. There's more reason to consider Altair the favorite here than any of the other debatable matches this round, most of which had new/fodder/rarely seen characters in their round 1 matches.
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charmander6000 | Posted 2/20/2010 8:40:36 AM | message detail
Vivi losing won't prove the picture factor.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/20/2010 8:40:57 AM | message detail
If anything Altair looks a little worse than he usually does. No hidden blade? Half his face uncovered?

Vivi's got the glowing eyes thing going on. I say he has the advantage.

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 2/20/2010 8:40:59 AM | message detail
The only way Vivi was going to beat Altair today was swinging votes his way from people who haven't played/beaten FFIX.

Terrible picture is terrible. I want to slap whoever did that to Vivi.
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hellfire104 | Posted 2/20/2010 8:41:03 AM | message detail
The guru contest has vivi as the favorite. But yet, all the people in here predict Altair? That doesn't make much sense.

If Altair wins, it's only because this is a day match. I'm quite sure Vivi would crush him at night.
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Point Total: 68/76. Guru Status: Alive(65)
My Bracket Says: Night: Kirby Day: Vivi
Achromatic | Posted 2/20/2010 8:41:33 AM | message detail

From: hellfire104 | #181
The guru contest has vivi as the favorite. But yet, all the people in here predict Altair? That doesn't make much sense.

If Altair wins, it's only because this is a day match. I'm quite sure Vivi would crush him at night.


Pre-contest expectations.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 2/20/2010 8:41:50 AM | message detail
I finally started watching somebody playing Pokemon Red on YouTube, and the game currently looks quite unique in comparison to other Nintendo franchises and RPGs.

Uh...maybe there's a pic factor for FMV cutscenes from the PS1? For some reason they seem to induce nostalgia in me despite the fact that I didn't do much gaming back then. And the only PS1 games I remember seeing anybody play were Tomb Raider, PaRappa the Rapper, and Intelligent Qube. Any questions?
Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/20/2010 8:42:14 AM | message detail
So half think Vivi has the pic advantage, and half think Altair does.

So doesn't that kind of cancel both sides out?
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/20/2010 8:42:46 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #183
I finally started watching somebody playing Pokemon Red on YouTube, and the game currently looks quite unique in comparison to other Nintendo franchises and RPGs.

Uh...maybe there's a pic factor for FMV cutscenes from the PS1? For some reason they seem to induce nostalgia in me despite the fact that I didn't do much gaming back then. And the only PS1 games I remember seeing anybody play were Tomb Raider, PaRappa the Rapper, and Intelligent Qube. Any questions?


I have a question.

What the hell is Intelligent Qube.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 2/20/2010 8:42:46 AM | message detail

From: Not_Wylvane | #184
So half think Vivi has the pic advantage, and half think Altair does.

So doesn't that kind of cancel both sides out?


No, because the half that think Vivi has it are daft. >.>
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 2/20/2010 8:46:05 AM | message detail
Intelligent Qube is an old PS1 puzzle game that is well known for taking a different approach to soundtrack. From what I've seen the game looks...somewhat fun.
KamikazePotato | Posted 2/20/2010 8:46:16 AM | message detail
oh, extha

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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 8:47:04 AM | message detail
Again, what's so great about Altair's pic? He needs to have his face hidden or a blade showing. He has neither.
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Not_Wylvane | Posted 2/20/2010 8:47:12 AM | message detail
There's not really a pic advantage if two sides prefer one pic over the other!

It's not like, say, Bacondorf or Solid **** where pretty much everyone agrees Sonic and Pikachu will have the pic advantage!

Assuming we do get ****ty sprites for the Dorf and the Snake, of course. But even then, Sonic and Pikachu sprites are going to be strong anyway.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 2/20/2010 8:47:46 AM | message detail
Intelligent Qube! Never thought I'd see that game brought up again.

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voltch | Posted 2/20/2010 8:56:02 AM | message detail
Go Vivi, Go vivi, you DA MAN!

An FFIX fanboy like me is refusing to allow you to get embarassed, now go get that Son of a son and wipe his ass.
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hellfire104 | Posted 2/20/2010 8:56:35 AM | message detail
Based on that pic, I'd say that Vivi has the pic advantage. But I think Altair has an advantage since this is a day match. Altair also has the bracket vote...hmm..
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Point Total: 68/76. Guru Status: Alive(65)
My Bracket Says: Night: Kirby Day: Vivi
KamikazePotato | Posted 2/20/2010 8:57:30 AM | message detail
Vivi beating Altair would result in a very low prediction percentage, I just realized.

Go Vivi!

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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 8:58:13 AM | message detail
All four of these guys (Yes, even DK) are probably relatively split in prediction percentage overall. I'm not sure any one of them is an overwhelming favorite, though Vivi probably has the least.
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hellfire104 | Posted 2/20/2010 8:58:53 AM | message detail
Only 2 of the top 15 Gurus have Altair winning this match.
Several also have Liquid snake.

Regardless of who wins, the % will be low.
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Point Total: 68/76. Guru Status: Alive(63)
My Bracket Says: Night: Kirby Day: Vivi
charmander6000 | Posted 2/20/2010 8:59:03 AM | message detail
Vivi beating Altair would result in a very low prediction percentage, I just realized.

All four characters would have had a low prediction percent, the highest going in was Donkey Kong with 60%
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KamikazePotato | Posted 2/20/2010 8:59:23 AM | message detail
Vivi had a 36% prediction percentage against DK.

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ShatteredElysium | Posted 2/20/2010 9:00:01 AM | message detail
Gone with Altair in my oracle but I want Vivi to win. Vivi has a beastly pic at least.
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Master Moltar | Posted 2/20/2010 9:00:13 AM | message detail
Vivi 85.71%

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Altair 14.29%

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TOTAL VOTES 7
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