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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 841

red sox 777 | Posted 2/20/2010 11:30:38 AM | message detail
Solarshadow's 2002 site also has a graph of Pikachu/Cloud. Cloud actually won the day vote and did about the same overnight as in the power hour! How things have changed.
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voltch | Posted 2/20/2010 11:36:03 AM | message detail
KHIII come on, come on.
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TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 2/20/2010 11:37:40 AM | message detail
Nah, there are bigger trolls than Liquid. Recent episodes of the Show have talked about characters with such wild swings--Jill, Kefka...actually, Liquid might not be a bad choice, if only because of the franchise he's from. Is there anyone from MGS that has any sort of consistency? Liquid, of course, can look awesome one year and like crap the next--or even the next round, like when he finished in fourth place right after a thrilling first-round outright win. One of the "inconsistency issues" with Jill involved facing Ocelot two years in a row, easily losing the first time and easily winning the next. The Boss was able to reach the second round this year when both Liquid and Ocelot could not. Big Boss, of course, is wildly dependent on the picture he gets, and in a way, so is Solid Snake, who was pretty much guaranteed one really close match every year despite his Noble Nine status, a phenomenon affectionately dubbed "the Solid **** factor". About the only one that has shown anything remotely resembling "consistency" is Raiden, who made it to the second round in both 4-ways, as the second-place finisher both times, and only appeared in a lone 1v1 to get blown out by Snake in the first round. Perhaps MGS as a whole is the "troll of the contest".
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creativename | Posted 2/20/2010 11:38:06 AM | message detail
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/pollupdates.html

Oh hey cool. I'll have to remember to add that sometime.

Someone should add this to the wiki too. Shocked that this tripod site is still up.

Any other older match updates available anywhere?
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/20/2010 11:40:07 AM | message detail
Oh hey cool. I'll have to remember to add that sometime.

Someone should add this to the wiki too. Shocked that this tripod site is still up.

Any other older match updates available anywhere?


I got the link to his site from your site!
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creativename | Posted 2/20/2010 11:40:29 AM | message detail
About the only one that has shown anything remotely resembling "consistency" is Raiden

Somehow this is so fitting.
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hellfire104 | Posted 2/20/2010 11:40:42 AM | message detail
Lots of Guru's faceplanting today. 40% of the top 100 did NOT pick Vivi to win this match.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 2/20/2010 11:43:21 AM | message detail
Wow, really? I mean I guess I can understand Altair being thought of as going in with a good chance thanks to an 'impressive' performance against Liquid, but what is it that would prompt you to take either of them over Vivi before the contest starts? Putting too much stock into Liquid's 2008 year I guess?
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HaRRicH | Posted 2/20/2010 11:44:52 AM | message detail
KIRBY/VIVI:

Pro-Kirby comparisons:
Tidus - Vivi won their Square-battle with 51.07% (2007) while Kirby had 57.65% (2005).
Donkey Kong - Vivi had ~56% against him both times (2004, 2010) while Kirby SFF'd him with 63.29% (2007).
Leon Kennedy - Vivi-with-Tidus had 39.48% on Leon (2007) while Kirby got 60.26% (2008)...though this was arguably the start of Kirby's bandwagon. Even if it wasn't, he still stood out like crazy.
Solid Snake - Vivi got 33.47% in R1 and 32.64% in R2 (2008) while Kirby got 42.43% (2008)...and, though this was definitely band-wagon Kirby, this was against bandwagon-Solid too.
Sephiroth - Vivi was SFF'd to 29.75% (2004) while Kirby got 58.46% with Cloud in the poll (2008)...though this is clearly unfair. Vivi was SFF'd and Kirby had his bandwagon while Sephiroth was SFF'd.

Pro-Vivi comparisons:
Vote-ins (Rikku, Liquid) - Red sox pointed out that if Vivi beats Altair with 55% today, Vivi would be expected through our vote-ins to beat Kirby with 53.97%.
Luigi (plus Bowser) - Red sox also suggested that if you combined Luigi and Bowser to face Liquid -- which adds up to 62.31% on him (2008) -- Vivi would still be statistically favored to outdo that duo assuming he finishes today with 55%. Kirby scored 47.69% against Luigi (2006)...

Surprise Kirby-twist:
Zero - ...but since we're talking about Luigi/Kirby (2006), Zero was Luigi's R1-opponent in that same four-pack. Comparing Kirby and Zero against Luigi gives Kirby the advantage with 51.47%. Compare this to Zero edging out Vivi with 50.35% (2008).


Both sides have an argument. The day-match should favor Kirby and I still think he'll win, but it's not like this is a safe match for him. It'll probably be close.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 2/20/2010 11:50:05 AM | message detail
Both sides have an argument? The Pro Vivi list looks more like an analysis you'd use as a joke rather than a serious pro >_>
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HaRRicH | Posted 2/20/2010 11:53:13 AM | message detail
Vivi's vote-in comparison is more serious than any of Kirby's other than the Tidus-comparison, and the vote-in is a lot more recent for kicks.
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voltch | Posted 2/20/2010 11:53:53 AM | message detail
pro-vivi is way too theoretical for my liking, but i'll take what's on offer.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 11:54:07 AM | message detail
Man, why are we talking like a Kirby/Vivi day match favors Kirby when Altair's doing nothing with the day vote?
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/20/2010 11:55:15 AM | message detail
Because Altair started the match in the day vote. He's not going to go up from the early afternoon to the late afternoon on a weekend because of his day vote power.
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LOLContests | Posted 2/20/2010 11:55:30 AM | message detail

Any other older match updates available anywhere?


I have some that I've calculated off of stats that TRE posted in an old stats topic, and stuff that I've gotten from NGamer's site.

Time | Tidus Ganondorf
01:00 | 47.91% | 52.09%
02:00 | 48.57% | 51.43%
03:00 | 51.85% | 48.15%
04:00 | 51.20% | 48.80%
05:00 | 51.28% | 48.72%
06:00 | 52.59% | 47.41%
07:00 | 50.57% | 49.43%
08:00 | 50.14% | 49.86%
09:00 | 49.65% | 50.35%
10:00 | 49.01% | 50.99%
11:00 | 48.28% | 51.72%
12:00 | 48.19% | 51.81%
13:00 | 48.46% | 51.54%
14:00 | 48.81% | 51.19%
15:00 | 47.86% | 52.14%
16:00 | 49.41% | 50.59%
17:00 | 49.29% | 50.71%
18:00 | 48.69% | 51.31%
19:00 | 48.79% | 51.21%
20:00 | 51.01% | 48.99%
21:00 | 51.58% | 48.42%
22:00 | 51.44% | 48.56%
23:00 | 50.42% | 49.58%
00:00 | 48.70% | 51.30%

Vote Shift: 04.73%


Time | Sam Magus
01:00 | 31.81% | 68.19%
02:00 | 32.02% | 67.98%
03:00 | 32.03% | 67.97%
04:00 | 32.45% | 67.55%
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10:00 | 34.80% | 65.20%
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12:00 | 35.91% | 64.09%
13:00 | 35.63% | 64.37%
14:00 | 34.43% | 65.57%
15:00 | 33.95% | 66.05%
16:00 | 35.29% | 64.71%
17:00 | 33.68% | 66.32%
18:00 | 33.80% | 66.20%
19:00 | 31.08% | 68.92%
20:00 | 32.03% | 67.97%
21:00 | 30.74% | 69.26%
22:00 | 31.56% | 68.44%
23:00 | 31.38% | 68.62%
00:00 | 31.33% | 68.67%

Vote Shift: 05.17%

Time | Mario | Crono
01:00 | 49.25% | 50.75%
02:00 | 47.40% | 52.60%
03:00 | 48.52% | 51.48%
04:00 | 48.78% | 51.22%
05:00 | 49.61% | 50.39%
06:00 | 49.14% | 50.86%
07:00 | 51.60% | 48.40%
08:00 | 52.91% | 47.09%
09:00 | 51.73% | 48.27%
10:00 | 52.84% | 47.16%
11:00 | 50.20% | 49.80%
12:00 | 49.83% | 50.17%
13:00 | 47.86% | 52.14%
14:00 | 49.39% | 50.61%
15:00 | 49.58% | 50.42%
16:00 | 49.90% | 50.10%
17:00 | 49.26% | 50.74%
18:00 | 49.09% | 50.91%
19:00 | 48.42% | 51.58%
20:00 | 49.92% | 50.08%
21:00 | 49.33% | 50.67%
22:00 | 50.23% | 49.77%
23:00 | 52.94% | 47.06%
00:00 | 55.36% | 44.64%

NGamer's site also has stats for Ganondorf/Magus and DK/Vercetti, but they're not in a traditional format.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 2/20/2010 11:55:55 AM | message detail
Any other older match updates available anywhere?

I've got a some old match updates. They tend to be missing a lot of the overnight updates since I didn't have an automated script to collect updates back then. I'll upload what I have but I'll need a moment to get everything together.

The updates from Link vs Mario 2k2 and the back half of Link vs Sephiroth 2k2 can be found here:
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/semifinal.xls
I don't remember who exactly is was that collected updates for those matches, though.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 2/20/2010 11:56:21 AM | message detail
Personally I find Kirby's win against Sephiroth more reliable than the vote in poll!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 11:56:22 AM | message detail
Well, maybe not nothing now. He's starting to cut a good bit of percentage, but I'd say Altair's day vote is one of the best we have nowadays.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 2/20/2010 11:56:46 AM | message detail
That is to say lol at either
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 11:57:11 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #464
Because Altair started the match in the day vote. He's not going to go up from the early afternoon to the late afternoon on a weekend because of his day vote power.


He went up almost the entire match against Liquid, which was also a Saturday match.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 2/20/2010 11:57:48 AM | message detail
Also, Altair not improving with the day vote doesn't mean that the day vote match doesn't favor him.

For all we know Vivi could have been getting like 60+ hours in the night vote if it was a night match
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 11:58:18 AM | message detail
00:00 | 55.36% | 44.64%

Do the Mario indeed.
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/20/2010 11:59:10 AM | message detail
That's because his early vote sucks and/or his SNV is also good while Liquid's is bad, not because of any day vote power. There's no ASV on the weekend, and once the early vote wears off you're right in the middle of the day vote already.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 11:59:24 AM | message detail
And these arguments only solidify the idea that Kirby/Vivi being a day match doesn't really matter.
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voltch | Posted 2/20/2010 11:59:38 AM | message detail
a Night match would have been beyond brutal for Altair, but Kirby/Vivi, who gets the board vote?
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creativename | Posted 2/20/2010 12:00:03 PM | message detail
Awesome TRE :) Can you email me the link when you post them, if you get the chance? creativename@gamefaqscontests.com. I miss most of the posts in these topics, they move too fast.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 12:00:18 PM | message detail
Kirby gets the board vote. Kirby gets the board vote against just about anyone.
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creativename | Posted 2/20/2010 12:00:32 PM | message detail
Or you can just post in the Oracle discussion topic, I read every post there.
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red sox 777 | Posted 2/20/2010 12:01:46 PM | message detail
23:00 | 52.94% | 47.06%
00:00 | 55.36% | 44.64%


This makes Missingno's final 2 hours look small.

And I don't get how this discussion makes the day/night thing in Kirby/Vivi irrelevant- are you saying that Kirby will win by enough that it wouldn't be debatable at night either?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 12:02:42 PM | message detail
He probably will either way. I doubt Vivi beats Rikku by a whole lot.
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Hochimihnister | Posted 2/20/2010 12:03:31 PM | message detail
Vivi actually did really well against the Zelda in the day vote in 2005.
creativename | Posted 2/20/2010 12:03:52 PM | message detail
Kirby/Vivi being a day match is definitely relevant if the match is close. Because Vivi would do better in a 24 hour match than a 12 hour day match against Kirby.

Can someone work out Ike vs. Zidane based on Prinny=Laharl?
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voltch | Posted 2/20/2010 12:05:51 PM | message detail
if Prinny is weaker than Laharl, say Neku levels, where does that leave Ike though?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 12:06:44 PM | message detail
Can someone work out Ike vs. Zidane based on Prinny=Laharl?

Zidane is expected to beat Laharl with 57.11% based on the 2008 stats. Of course, Ike is expected to double Laharl by those same stats, but whatever.

Ike wins with 56.27% assuming Prinny = 2008 Laharl and 2010 Zidane = 2008 Zidane.

Is there a better way to extrapolate this?
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paulg235 | Posted 2/20/2010 12:08:36 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #484
Can someone work out Ike vs. Zidane based on Prinny=Laharl?

Zidane is expected to beat Laharl with 57.11% based on the 2008 stats. Of course, Ike is expected to double Laharl by those same stats, but whatever.

Ike wins with 56.27% assuming Prinny = 2008 Laharl and 2010 Zidane = 2008 Zidane.

Is there a better way to extrapolate this?


2007? 2005?
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creativename | Posted 2/20/2010 12:09:38 PM | message detail
Wow, I expected those numbers to look better for Zidane.

I was going to swtich my Oracle to Zidane probably before seeing that. I just smell Ike flopping here based on what we've seen so far in this contest, with Cecil etc. Non-FF7 Square has looked pretty good.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 12:11:26 PM | message detail
Actually, let's use Alucard.

Hmmm...Zidane gets 40.62% on Alucard in 2007. Going through Pikachu/Alucard and Ike/Pikachu, Ike gets 45.45% on Alucard last year.

And that number should underrate Ike, honestly.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 2/20/2010 12:14:16 PM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 12:14:39 PM | message detail
But the raw numbers are going to favor Ike, no matter what you use. Zidane's never had a good x-stat number.

But if Claptrap = Prinny, Zidane wins with 52.49%.
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Kotetsu534 | Posted 2/20/2010 12:14:53 PM | message detail
B-b-but Vivi doing well means Zidane will do well! A-a-and Brawl's influence will surely be decreasing!

... yeah, my guru bracket is dead as of this time tomorrow. -_-

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voltch | Posted 2/20/2010 12:17:22 PM | message detail
Zidane will TRIUMPH!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 2/20/2010 12:25:29 PM | message detail
Vivi will not beat Kirby, and Kirby/Ganon will not beat Sonic. Throw out all the crap you're learned from 4ways.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 2/20/2010 12:26:19 PM | message detail
Throw out all the crap you're learned from 4ways.

L Block is not strong, and MissingNo is as legit as they come?
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vcharon | Posted 2/20/2010 12:36:20 PM | message detail
I tried to throw out the crap that 4ways taught me, but then Crono jobbed to a joke character.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 2/20/2010 12:37:29 PM | message detail
4-ways taught us that Altair was going to do this because he did it in 4-ways!
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 2/20/2010 1:04:21 PM | message detail
We should really finish this topic y'know.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 2/20/2010 1:06:55 PM | message detail
Let's talk about how strong Goomba would be in these contests.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 2/20/2010 1:07:25 PM | message detail
Zero > Auron
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 2/20/2010 1:07:33 PM | message detail
This one ain't even filled up?

Alright. Bayonetta sequel is announced right before the next contest, while Assassin's Creed gets nothing all year.

Bayonetta vs. Ezio, who ya got?
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